Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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No worries, just me spamming how I strongly feel you're town.juliets wrote:I'm here and see my name but I'm not caught up. I'll respond as soon as I can.
The fact that I was the only one giving attention and wanting to lynch Marmot since D1. Every conversation I ever had with Quin. The fact that Golden treated me as if he knew I was town and I called him out on that. Probably most of my interaction with Long Con as well. Breaking the tie between Quin and Soneji 1 minute before EoD even though I had said I went to sleep (the day your vote came right after). Which, btw is a point in your favor. DAMN YOU, GAME! Won't link you to this, but I'm sure my buddy JJJ can vouch for me not being mafia. And I can myself vouch for me not being 3p, but more on that later if it becomes important.MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, to be fair to you, I haven't.Dyslexicon wrote:JJJ is buddying me too. It's real love. I can be the un-gendered mom to his fatherly glare. Don't break up this happy family.MovingPictures07 wrote:My tinfoil on Dizzy is real. Maybe it's just because he seemed to latch quickly onto the tides of suspecting me suddenly... and I say this as someone who HATES the buddying accusation, but Dizzy is buddying Jay really hard in this conversation.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342459
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342487
Anyway, if anything I've tried to reduce suspects today.
Also, not a chance in hell I'm mafia. I don't think you'd say that if you had read the whole game.
I'll read more carefully the stuff that you've put out here and respond and meditate, but I need sleep now too.
What's the most convincing point in your favor here? Maybe you can link me to something that would completely change my mind. Because my working knowledge of the thread has been due to surmising context from you all during barely reading anything before my entry to the game and skimming throughout my brief presences since replacing.
Cool, thanks. if anyone has any interaction analyses or something like that (looking at you, JayDyslexicon wrote:The fact that I was the only one giving attention and wanting to lynch Marmot since D1. Every conversation I ever had with Quin. The fact that Golden treated me as if he knew I was town and I called him out on that. Probably most of my interaction with Long Con as well. Breaking the tie between Quin and Soneji 1 minute before EoD even though I had said I went to sleep (the day your vote came right after). Which, btw is a point in your favor. DAMN YOU, GAME! Won't link you to this, but I'm sure my buddy JJJ can vouch for me not being mafia. And I can myself vouch for me not being 3p, but more on that later if it becomes important.MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, to be fair to you, I haven't.Dyslexicon wrote:JJJ is buddying me too. It's real love. I can be the un-gendered mom to his fatherly glare. Don't break up this happy family.MovingPictures07 wrote:My tinfoil on Dizzy is real. Maybe it's just because he seemed to latch quickly onto the tides of suspecting me suddenly... and I say this as someone who HATES the buddying accusation, but Dizzy is buddying Jay really hard in this conversation.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342459
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342487
Anyway, if anything I've tried to reduce suspects today.
Also, not a chance in hell I'm mafia. I don't think you'd say that if you had read the whole game.
I'll read more carefully the stuff that you've put out here and respond and meditate, but I need sleep now too.
What's the most convincing point in your favor here? Maybe you can link me to something that would completely change my mind. Because my working knowledge of the thread has been due to surmising context from you all during barely reading anything before my entry to the game and skimming throughout my brief presences since replacing.
), I'll gladly take a look and stand corrected.typically I don't allow dead posting but was fine with it this time around. That being said, the dead posting shouldn't effect anything in game relatedDyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.
Dead players are not supposed to be saying anything that can be remotely construed as on-topic. That's bad form. The only reason they're even allowed to say anything is that the Lostpedia-based mafia communities fostered a heavily off-topic environment within some games, wherein dead players participated in those conversations, and would also occasionally just revive threads by declaring their want for a resurrection, brainzzz, or whatever.Dyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.
Dyslexicon wrote:but I'm sure my buddy JJJ can vouch for me not being mafia.
I guess I'll bring this up again after the game maybe. I'm not saying it's wrong or anything. Just saying I'm not used to it, and that I still read it and therefore interpret it.sprityo wrote:typically I don't allow dead posting but was fine with it this time around. That being said, the dead posting shouldn't effect anything in game relatedDyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.
Then imo that line has been crossed already. But my brain is capable of making a storm and a tinfoil theory wrapped up and ready for shipping out of someone sneezing in thread. The best thing is probably just to ignore it, since the dead would be posting with neutrality in mind.MovingPictures07 wrote:Dead players are not supposed to be saying anything that can be remotely construed as on-topic. That's bad form. The only reason they're even allowed to say anything is that the Lostpedia-based mafia communities fostered a heavily off-topic environment within some games, wherein dead players participated in those conversations, and would also occasionally just revive threads by declaring their want for a resurrection, brainzzz, or whatever.Dyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.
I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
Dyslexicon wrote:Then imo that line has been crossed already. But my brain is capable of making a storm and a tinfoil theory wrapped up and ready for shipping out of someone sneezing in thread. The best thing is probably just to ignore it, since the dead would be posting with neutrality in mind.MovingPictures07 wrote:Dead players are not supposed to be saying anything that can be remotely construed as on-topic. That's bad form. The only reason they're even allowed to say anything is that the Lostpedia-based mafia communities fostered a heavily off-topic environment within some games, wherein dead players participated in those conversations, and would also occasionally just revive threads by declaring their want for a resurrection, brainzzz, or whatever.Dyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.
The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.Dyslexicon wrote:I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
Yes, you can. You feel it in your heart. You feel it in your bones.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:but I'm sure my buddy JJJ can vouch for me not being mafia.
No, I can't do that. I can make a read and it can be wrong. You're certainly very familiar with your resume, aren't you?
It just seemed too quick MP. I could see you telling us who you targeted because we were asking for that information but I was surprised you claimed. With that said remember that I'm not used to claiming so I expect people to think through it carefully. What you seem to be saying here is you did think it through you just did it quickly. I will re-read that sequence with that in mind. I also will need to re-read the discussion about who you have targeted tomorrow morning when I'm fresh to make sure I understand it but I see JJJ changed his vote so I'm assuming it made sense.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is in response to juliets below and also in response to concerns expressed by Jay and Dizzy
How is it suspicious? I clearly laid out my train of thought in spam-like posts in those 11 minutes, agonizing over whether to claim after quickly getting acclimated to the game, and then deciding to just throw caution to the wind and claim because I felt it would give helpful town-friendly information to the thread (i.e., assist with trying to figure out wtf was going on with Golden's n1 stuff).juliets wrote:Right, I wasn't trying to clear him I was saying that was suspicious behavior. I think you're right, if he's bad he did get with his teammates ahead of time and thats why he was comfortable claiming so quickly. He would have known the issue about Golden's targets needed to be cleared up.Dyslexicon wrote:Oh, I thought Juliets brought it up to clear MP, but seems I misunderstood?
I hesitated this time because I felt I had a serious reason not to throw out my targets in the presence of a lone mafia member and given the discussion of Jay still being alive.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. Having learned mafia from LP-based communities it's always been the norm for me. If anything, it's less common on The Syndicate than it ever was on LP or any of its sister sites, for sure.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The prevalence of dead posting, non-player posting, and even host posting also presented a learning curve for me when I started playing around here. It's unique. Folks do a good job though of keeping things irrelevant and playful, and it very rarely makes any difference. There have been exceptions on rare occasions and those are addressed when they occur.
Did Scotty say anything that would have indicated he suspected that his role would die eventually or something?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.Dyslexicon wrote:I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
I'm just surprised, that's all, because I think it would be more suspicious if I had waited too long to claim. I also didn't understand how my targets would be of any use whatsoever if I didn't claim, due to the innate nature of my role and the fact that Elo and I have to target two players every night for it to do anything. You'll see, if/when you refer back to that conversation with Golden and the thread at large, that I at first was a bit cryptic, but then realized that town wasn't going to gain anything if I just didn't say outright because my role isn't exactly straightforward/single-targeted.juliets wrote:It just seemed too quick MP. I could see you telling us who you targeted because we were asking for that information but I was surprised you claimed. With that said remember that I'm not used to claiming so I expect people to think through it carefully. What you seem to be saying here is you did think it through you just did it quickly. I will re-read that sequence with that in mind. I also will need to re-read the discussion about who you have targeted tomorrow morning when I'm fresh to make sure I understand it but I see JJJ changed his vote so I'm assuming it made sense.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is in response to juliets below and also in response to concerns expressed by Jay and Dizzy
How is it suspicious? I clearly laid out my train of thought in spam-like posts in those 11 minutes, agonizing over whether to claim after quickly getting acclimated to the game, and then deciding to just throw caution to the wind and claim because I felt it would give helpful town-friendly information to the thread (i.e., assist with trying to figure out wtf was going on with Golden's n1 stuff).juliets wrote:Right, I wasn't trying to clear him I was saying that was suspicious behavior. I think you're right, if he's bad he did get with his teammates ahead of time and thats why he was comfortable claiming so quickly. He would have known the issue about Golden's targets needed to be cleared up.Dyslexicon wrote:Oh, I thought Juliets brought it up to clear MP, but seems I misunderstood?
I hesitated this time because I felt I had a serious reason not to throw out my targets in the presence of a lone mafia member and given the discussion of Jay still being alive.
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I didn't see anything personally but I haven't reviewed his posts since he died.MovingPictures07 wrote:Did Scotty say anything that would have indicated he suspected that his role would die eventually or something?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.Dyslexicon wrote:I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
I sadly haven't had time to read the flavor text. Scotty's role text doesn't give anything away about him being dedded. So I assume he was killed, I guess.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.Dyslexicon wrote:I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
It's possible, assuming that's the way he died, that he didn't know. Just something I thought of. Might be worth digging into... but might not.juliets wrote:I didn't see anything personally but I haven't reviewed his posts since he died.MovingPictures07 wrote:Did Scotty say anything that would have indicated he suspected that his role would die eventually or something?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.Dyslexicon wrote:I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
Dammit, now we're mindmelding!Dyslexicon wrote:I sadly haven't had time to read the flavor text. Scotty's role text doesn't give anything away about him being dedded. So I assume he was killed, I guess.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.Dyslexicon wrote:I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?
Anyway, I would rather try to hit the marker, as that one is most certainly in the game (or else the mod is a troll and I will love him even more). It would be extremely lulzy to lose by way of looking for a last mafia member that doesn't even exist.
Lynch Fred
Or something.
I just think the ratio that would allow for 6 mafia members seems more unrealistic, but by all means, you folks are better acquainted with the intricacies of this setup than I am.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What is the evidence that a mafioso still exists?
What is the evidence that the mafia team is destroyed?
Which evidence is more telling?
Let's hear what y'all think.
I agree that 6 sounds steep. I don't think it sounds impossible. Scotty is dead. What's the alternative explanation?MovingPictures07 wrote:I just think the ratio that would allow for 6 mafia members seems more unrealistic, but by all means, you folks are better acquainted with the intricacies of this setup than I am.
Do you have mafia member-driven interaction analyses I should review just in case?
Aw, look at us arguing the same thing. *buddies hard*MovingPictures07 wrote:I know Jay expressed a preference (at least I think I read it was him?) for mafia being the higher priority over demo-man today, and while from a mechanics/threat perspective I would agree with that, I feel much more strongly that there is a demo man than there is a mafia and demo man.
Thus, if the lynch were ending tonight, based on what I know, I'd vote Fredwood -- even with some tinfoil on Dizzy (that admittedly has settled a bit in the last five minutes or so).
Does this make sense or am I going about this wrong?
For him dying, you mean? I have no idea. It doesn't seem compatible with demo man indy kind of thing we saw kill Golden and Quin. It could be due to his stump role, though I'm very unfamiliar with that kind of role.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I agree that 6 sounds steep. I don't think it sounds impossible. Scotty is dead. What's the alternative explanation?MovingPictures07 wrote:I just think the ratio that would allow for 6 mafia members seems more unrealistic, but by all means, you folks are better acquainted with the intricacies of this setup than I am.
Do you have mafia member-driven interaction analyses I should review just in case?
Dyslexicon wrote:Aw, look at us arguing the same thing. *buddies hard*MovingPictures07 wrote:I know Jay expressed a preference (at least I think I read it was him?) for mafia being the higher priority over demo-man today, and while from a mechanics/threat perspective I would agree with that, I feel much more strongly that there is a demo man than there is a mafia and demo man.
Thus, if the lynch were ending tonight, based on what I know, I'd vote Fredwood -- even with some tinfoil on Dizzy (that admittedly has settled a bit in the last five minutes or so).
Does this make sense or am I going about this wrong?
I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
I missed playing with you. Subbing in was worth it.
Yeah, I didn't even read any of his stuff at all.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.
Nuuuuuuur! The wifom must die!JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.
I noticed the anti-spew thing, but didn't he do that before Quin and Golden was dedded, or am I wrong?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.
There's definitely a precedent for inherited kills on The Syndicate. It might not be so for sprityo's homeland. It should also be stated that the likely LMS independent here is not a serial killer but instead a marker/demo man. Who knows what kind of mechanical details that entails.juliets wrote:The evidence that they still exist is we had a kill last night and no one seems to have heard of an sk who inherits a mafia kill.
He was dead to rights at that point. Claiming to give put a gun a mafia member gave out. Unlikely any Bullshit gets him out of that.Dyslexicon wrote:I noticed the anti-spew thing, but didn't he do that before Quin and Golden was dedded, or am I wrong?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.
Long Con was cooked the moment we confirmed I couldn't have been role blocked on Night 2 when I tracked him going nowhere (instead of handing a gun to Sloonei).Fredwood wrote:He was dead to rights at that point. Claiming to give put a gun a mafia member gave out. Unlikely any Bullshit gets him out of that.Dyslexicon wrote:I noticed the anti-spew thing, but didn't he do that before Quin and Golden was dedded, or am I wrong?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.
What? Are you jabbing me for a reaction?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:unvote
vote speedchuck
Seems to me like this came out of nowhere.Fredwood's best defense is literally doing nothing. I'm not happy with that for 3p. Scum, sure, but not 3p.Fredwood wrote: If not me:
Not marker:
MP07: I didn't die, Jack didn't remove a mark, so MP07 can't be the marker True enough.
The eh tier could go either way:
Juliets - had information, granted not any that was ultimately, but I don't see anyone making an information claim without being able to verify it, or having a very good cover. Could the marker be able to get information (shrug) highly doubtful, but maybe remotely possible. Again, true enough, but for the items that possibly could float about
Dys: Gave out a vest, that didn't stop a blast, and one that could have just as easily come from his teammate. Has had strong cred entire game ensuring lynches. Just like how a marker needs the Mafia NK to whittle numbers, they'd also need the lynch. The vest likely came from the D1 item. Go look at its name.
By POE that leaves:
Straw
Speed
I've already spoken to Straw's claim, nothing Speed has said to this point has cleared him, he's kind of in the same boat as I am. Except he has a little more lynch cred, which again I don't see as proof that he's not SK, because the SK needs the lynch to reliably fire. This is certainly fair enough. I've been arguing against myself being mafia. I'm not sure how I (nor how anyone else) can argue against being 3p, aside from role-claiming. Is that what we all should do?
Likely, my best defense in my eyes, is probably one of the reasons I'm viewed as a suspect, being a careful lyncher does not help me in anyway if I'm the neutral killer. Though if I may play devil's advocate to my own defense, there does not appear to be any hesitation to lynch here anyway, and I would have been on the Soneji lynch to my own admission, which would have been the only day there was a chance of a no lynch. Being a careful lynch (when town is guaranteed to lynch anyway) keeps you off of any bad trails that could get you suspected. Self-preservation has gotten you this far. Me? I took chances. I stuck my neck out for town in lynches, trying my best to scumhunt. That makes me a target. (Despite the fact that scum, in this game, kill people like Scotty for no reason.) Scum don't care if you live. You won't vote for them.