Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:25 pm
pumping the brakes, i'll vote back michelle in one second
if u hammer u should be turbo'd for it.
im informing u rn that voting = hammer.
I was voted michelle, and moved me vote off to prevent hammer cuz i'm still a little loss on implications of the flip.
is Alison's read consensus?
I have Grogu and Doom as town. I think Ellie and you are both possible Michelle teammates, and Nanook and Jay are also possibilities. It may be one of you/ellie and one of the two "deeper" guys
I think Nanook and Jay are townier than Grogu and Doom but we can argue about that D4
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:31 pm
by DkKoba
brb i have to read games on epicmafia see yall in abot an hour if im not a delinquint
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:31 pm
by Esooa
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
so what if shit doesnt make sense are u kidding me
she literally had straight up lied about many facets of the game
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:31 pm
by Made
okay, i am satisfied i think. i'll hammer in 15mins unless someone wants to stop me?
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 pm
by Alison
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Town Michelle makes sense. It may not be 100% linear robot logic, but there's a coherence to her posts that I'm not seeing here. Town Michelle is easy to find as town.
Townies make more sense than mafia because they're not making shit up. They have less inconsistencies in their story, and their viewpoints are more coherent and believable, because their stories and viewpoints are real and natural. It doesn't mean that someone is automatically town just because they don't make sense, but if someone consistently doesn't make sense for too long in a row with no attempt to course correct, that's a scumtell.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I endorse a Michelle chop. I spare the vote to prevent the hammer.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 pm
by Alison
Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:31 pm
okay, i am satisfied i think. i'll hammer in 15mins unless someone wants to stop me?
[unvote][/unvote]
wtf
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 pm
by Made
oh jk, it's at 7 again. I'll vote again, I don't want that much power nyways
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 pm
by Michelle
You never saw town me playing like that...
You also never saw scum me playing Alison
And, more, i never played like that as any AI.
You are just imagining things
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:33 pm
by Alison
Made's equity as Michelle's wolf buddy just skyrocketed btw.
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Town Michelle makes sense. It may not be 100% linear robot logic, but there's a coherence to her posts that I'm not seeing here. Town Michelle is easy to find as town.
Townies make more sense than mafia because they're not making shit up. They have less inconsistencies in their story, and their viewpoints are more coherent and believable, because their stories and viewpoints are real and natural. It doesn't mean that someone is automatically town just because they don't make sense, but if someone consistently doesn't make sense for too long in a row with no attempt to course correct, that's a scumtell.
No, that's just your opinion after 2 or 3 games
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:34 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Game feels owned atm. Maybe I’ll calm my arrogance later when I am less headachy
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:34 pm
by nutella
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Not sure if this is directed at me but regarding Michelle's reads not making sense I think it is specifically in a scum agenda way. She's trying to either save her butt by appearing to have a solve, or accept that she's going down and try to sow chaos before her flip/instill doubt in the towncore. I mean "not making sense" in the sense that her reasons cannot possibly be real and thus are fabricated and forced in order to look like she has a solve, so yes, =mafia.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:34 pm
by Alison
Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:31 pm
okay, i am satisfied i think. i'll hammer in 15mins unless someone wants to stop me?
a) wants cred for hammering scum
b) wants to cut the day short 24 hours early so town have less time to grill him + his teammate
c) "someone wants to stop me?" -> please someone (dk probably?) save my scum buddy and shield her at the last moment
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:34 pm
by Michelle
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:31 pm
brb i have to read games on epicmafia see yall in abot an hour if im not a delinquint
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Town Michelle makes sense. It may not be 100% linear robot logic, but there's a coherence to her posts that I'm not seeing here. Town Michelle is easy to find as town.
Townies make more sense than mafia because they're not making shit up. They have less inconsistencies in their story, and their viewpoints are more coherent and believable, because their stories and viewpoints are real and natural. It doesn't mean that someone is automatically town just because they don't make sense, but if someone consistently doesn't make sense for too long in a row with no attempt to course correct, that's a scumtell.
No, that's just your opinion after 2 or 3 games
Your defense is "you're wrong, I'm not actually coherent as town, I'm actually incoherent as both alignments so you shouldn't scumread me for it"?
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Town Michelle makes sense. It may not be 100% linear robot logic, but there's a coherence to her posts that I'm not seeing here. Town Michelle is easy to find as town.
Townies make more sense than mafia because they're not making shit up. They have less inconsistencies in their story, and their viewpoints are more coherent and believable, because their stories and viewpoints are real and natural. It doesn't mean that someone is automatically town just because they don't make sense, but if someone consistently doesn't make sense for too long in a row with no attempt to course correct, that's a scumtell.
No, that's just your opinion after 2 or 3 games
Your defense is "you're wrong, I'm not actually coherent as town, I'm actually incoherent as both alignments so you shouldn't scumread me for it"?
No my defense is you take my meta as you like it not as it is.
This is boring to fight with
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:37 pm
by Alison
Michelle, 7 people voting you right now. 2 more (JJJ and myself) endorsing the exe, but not voting to prevent hammer.
Even if all 3 scum is stacked on you, at least 6 townies want you dead. Clearly you are not easy to find as town. So why are you so insistent that if nutella/SPF were town they would find you as town?
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:37 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Made is super congenial with all his haters lol
You’re good people Made
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:38 pm
by nutella
Another strong point against Michelle imo that I'm not really sure I can articulate very well but bear with me -- she has sort of waffled back and forth between giving up/falling over and fighting back/trying to put in effort. This is something I recognize quite a bit from my own scum meta -- when it looks like I'm more or less caught, I sometimes almost veer into giving up and lolcatting and accepting that I'm the chop and can't salvage it, but when it feels like there's an opportunity or I get a moment of inspiration I go back into fighting the scumreads and attempting to make it look like I'm actually trying to solve the game. I did this kind of thing in Making Friends And Enemies here, and in the hydra mash on MU. I think Michelle has shown what can only be scum perspective in her varying attitudes toward being the inevitable chop today.
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Not sure if this is directed at me but regarding Michelle's reads not making sense I think it is specifically in a scum agenda way. She's trying to either save her butt by appearing to have a solve, or accept that she's going down and try to sow chaos before her flip/instill doubt in the towncore. I mean "not making sense" in the sense that her reasons cannot possibly be real and thus are fabricated and forced in order to look like she has a solve, so yes, =mafia.
Can you stop talking about me?
You will have the ML, be happy, isn't this enough?
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:40 pm
by nutella
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:33 pm
Made's equity as Michelle's wolf buddy just skyrocketed btw.
hmmyes
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:41 pm
by Michelle
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:37 pm
Michelle, 7 people voting you right now. 2 more (JJJ and myself) endorsing the exe, but not voting to prevent hammer.
Even if all 3 scum is stacked on you, at least 6 townies want you dead. Clearly you are not easy to find as town. So why are you so insistent that if nutella/SPF were town they would find you as town?
They started the push in bad faith.
The others piled on because i played anti town
I invited tutuu, nanook, everyone.
Like you don't know..
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:30 pm
why does not making sense = mafia
Town Michelle makes sense. It may not be 100% linear robot logic, but there's a coherence to her posts that I'm not seeing here. Town Michelle is easy to find as town.
Townies make more sense than mafia because they're not making shit up. They have less inconsistencies in their story, and their viewpoints are more coherent and believable, because their stories and viewpoints are real and natural. It doesn't mean that someone is automatically town just because they don't make sense, but if someone consistently doesn't make sense for too long in a row with no attempt to course correct, that's a scumtell.
No, that's just your opinion after 2 or 3 games
Your defense is "you're wrong, I'm not actually coherent as town, I'm actually incoherent as both alignments so you shouldn't scumread me for it"?
lol
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:41 pm
by Michelle
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:38 pm
Another strong point against Michelle imo that I'm not really sure I can articulate very well but bear with me -- she has sort of waffled back and forth between giving up/falling over and fighting back/trying to put in effort. This is something I recognize quite a bit from my own scum meta -- when it looks like I'm more or less caught, I sometimes almost veer into giving up and lolcatting and accepting that I'm the chop and can't salvage it, but when it feels like there's an opportunity or I get a moment of inspiration I go back into fighting the scumreads and attempting to make it look like I'm actually trying to solve the game. I did this kind of thing in Making Friends And Enemies here, and in the hydra mash on MU. I think Michelle has shown what can only be scum perspective in her varying attitudes toward being the inevitable chop today.
Excuse you miss, i am me, not you
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:42 pm
by nutella
Town Michelle is like a waterfall
Scum Michelle is like a plinko board
I know it's sort of a silly trendy analogy but it really applies here imo
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:38 pm
Another strong point against Michelle imo that I'm not really sure I can articulate very well but bear with me -- she has sort of waffled back and forth between giving up/falling over and fighting back/trying to put in effort. This is something I recognize quite a bit from my own scum meta -- when it looks like I'm more or less caught, I sometimes almost veer into giving up and lolcatting and accepting that I'm the chop and can't salvage it, but when it feels like there's an opportunity or I get a moment of inspiration I go back into fighting the scumreads and attempting to make it look like I'm actually trying to solve the game. I did this kind of thing in Making Friends And Enemies here, and in the hydra mash on MU. I think Michelle has shown what can only be scum perspective in her varying attitudes toward being the inevitable chop today.
Excuse you miss, i am me, not you
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:44 pm
by nutella
You're not even engaging with my points you're just snapping with indignance. I don't need to say more and neither do you I guess. Gg
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:44 pm
by Michelle
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:42 pm
I will miss you all if it ends here
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:45 pm
by Michelle
I am not engaging with scum
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:46 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I love you all like I love my dinner burrito
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:47 pm
by staypositivefriend
im gay
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:48 pm
by Michelle
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:46 pm
I love you all like I love my dinner burrito