The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:33 pm okay i iso'd TSP and actually looked at his content in COV and i actually think he's more likely town here.

but like he's townreading Mac/Ender/Nanook the same way i'm townreading the people i know, and i'm certain there's a wolf there

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:42 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:33 pm okay i iso'd TSP and actually looked at his content in COV and i actually think he's more likely town here.

but like he's townreading Mac/Ender/Nanook the same way i'm townreading the people i know, and i'm certain there's a wolf there

Would you mind linking the TSO games you have?

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:49 pm I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:49 pm I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:49 pm I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

As soon as a player acknowledges a meta tell on themselves (that is within their range to reproduce it) they will inevitably try to reproduce it as a wolf or are sandbagging on purpose. Carrots is a good example of the former.

That is to say, I don’t think hardclearing TSP based on self meta he said in a game in April is a good call and there's probably a reason that the players who know him aren't hard meta clearing him.

I believe Alison said he was loosely in town meta though which is probably worth looking into.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:10 pm Yeah TSP is playing very similarly here to COV from a brief skim of both ISOs.

I'd like to compare this to a wolf game of his first though.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:13 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:49 pm I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

As soon as a player acknowledges a meta tell on themselves (that is within their range to reproduce it) they will inevitably try to reproduce it as a wolf or are sandbagging on purpose. Carrots is a good example of the former.

That is to say, I don’t think hardclearing TSP based on self meta he said in a game in April is a good call and there's probably a reason that the players who know him aren't hard meta clearing him.

I believe Alison said he was loosely in town meta though which is probably worth looking into.

this is why I originally did not clear him for that reason. it was after reading his COV game and comparing it to here.. just felt very similarly in addition to the town meta part.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:54 pm https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2164 found a syndicate game worth looking at (tony town, NANOOK/Mac W/W)

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:02 pm @TonyStarkPrime do you have a recent wolfgame (that isn't the torment that was Traitors to Exile) that you'd mind linking?

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:47 pm Thanks, did you find a TSP wolf game?

There aren't any on the MU stats.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:19 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Townie naked vote

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:09 pm mac got upset when esooa unvoted

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:33 pm that's not even about you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:46 am ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else

I'm townreading a lot more than just you lolol

Alexa, ender, esooa

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

Yes I intentionally didn't keep the lyrics going lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

Yes I intentionally didn't keep the lyrics going lol

towny tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:46 am ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else

I'm townreading a lot more than just you lolol

Alexa, ender, esooa

bruh why do ppl misread my post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:44 pm this poop im doing is not going well for me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:44 pm this poop im doing is not going well for me

Try singing lullabies I've always found that helps

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:48 pm After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:48 pm After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

I mean...there was nothing to really catch up on and I was at work.

What did you expect?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 am LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:19 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:18 pm Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:23 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:20 pm But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:46 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:57 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:55 pmI'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:55 am I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:32 am Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 pm Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:55 am if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.