The Syndicate

So Quicksilver, are you leaning more towards voting for Polaris or Havok today?

Quick Silver never responded to my post. I am voting him/her/ze.

I have noticed the independents being brought up back and forth, but no real discussion on them. I realize two of them have secrets but maybe we can make some assumptions based on our host's past games and the nature of the characters in the X-Men universe.

Omega Red: No secrets there, can win with any group as long as the characters he's chosen are eliminated. During the day periods he has to at least appear civ friendly for credibility and help find scum.

Sentinels: In the comics/movies they are anti-mutant robots, which means all mutants regardless of alignment. In this game, neither civilians nor the Brotherhood can win with them, so they may not be civ friendly, but they are most definitely not scum friendly either.

Apocalypse: In the animated series, the character had some very cool lines 'I am the rocks of the eternal shore. Crash against me and be broken. ' or 'Evil? I am not malevolent. I simply am.' It's been a long since I've watched that, but went to Wiki and he's been recruiting his 4 horsemen, Angel/Archangel among them. Looking at the info we have on the role, he basically looks immortal, however, looking at at least one of our host's past games where there was such a powerful independent - could not be lynched or night killed, they were dependent upon a specific group: when the last member of that group was eliminated, so was that independent. I think Apocalypse recruits his four horsemen, perhaps specific roles like Archangel, and when they are eliminated, so is he. Here is some info regarding the incarnations of the Horsemen. There are mutants from both sides in there.

While I'm still in the speculation area, I'll talk briefly about the other two roles with secrets:

Storm: Alters the weather. This can mean anything, but since she's a civilian, it could that she can control the outcome of lynches, or has some kind of vote manipulation powers.

Mystique: For those of you who don't know, she's a shapeshifter. This can mean a number of things: she could pose as a mutant of her choice and use their power, but that would be too similar to Rogue's role, or some of you may already be familiar with the Catherine Martell role, who, if lynched can control the role she was shown as. Perhaps we're in that area with Mystique as well.

Note that these are all just speculations in an attempt to offer some insight one the game mechanics. I could be miles away from what the secrets actually mean. The point of it all, especially with the independents is to see if they are an immediate danger and if it's worth hunting them down or have them help us get rid of the baddies.

So, sorry for the slightly off topic post. I'll work on one regarding my suspicions soon.

Quicksilver, mine is a simple post to respond to. I know you're saying you're finished for today but my post is just an explanation of your Day 1 vote. I'd appreciate if you'd answer it.

Quicksilver wrote:

Scarlet Witch wrote:

Sebastian Shaw wrote:I think Banshee and Scarlet Witch are bad, even though they don't look like monsters.

Banshee wrote:i really didn't allow enough time for this, but at this moment i feel okay with avalanche, i think he's probably just a silly nerd. i feel more comfortable with a deathlok lynch, though not by a lot. reading his posts i do see some possible weirdness coming from that direction, especially with the accusations of sebastian not being a sock, so... *crosses fingers*

But I'm not a sock! I'm a human!

Does "silly" and "weird" mean the same thing?

Banshee wrote:damnit, sorry deathlok

I think you're trying to trick people into thinking you feel sorry about Deathlok so I want to vote for you.

I think the White Queen is good.

Gtk
Can you say why or point to a post?

BTW For anyone looking this is his reasoning for his Banshee vote.

Linky - k but why do you HAVE to lynch and Indy TODAY?

I don't HAVE to do anything, I was trying to explain how dangerous they were. I like to read through roles to keep in mind different abilities. I want all 10 gone, any of them will do today. But, I was saying we need to pay attention to try to get the Indy out also. You are reading way too into it Scarlet. I'm Civ and trying to help, take a chill pill.

You seem overly concerned with the dangerousness of indies. More so than that of the baddies IMO. This doesn't make sense to me. With all the baddies still in play, of course we need to be concerned with our other enemies but our main priority should be reducing the baddie population then moving on to the indies. Thing is, I haven't read the indy win conditions in a while but if they can win with civs then why should we want them dead? That's only gonna make them want us dead in self defense. If an indy can win with the civs I welcome their help. The fact you've been asking people to infodump is also a concern to me...

I'm very conflicted about quicksilver. If he is bad, this has been some pretty sloppy play, I hate to say it, but at the end of the day, I don't see a great alternative. Im voting qs, but I would request that someone put a vote on havok at some point to satisfy my ping about him maybe bring a sentinel...

Shadowcat: Thank you for taking the time to reply. I have to admit that I'm not totally satisfied with the content of your explanation, but I do appreciate the change of tone and your willingness to clarify certain aspects. I will probably not vote for you today, but I'm still keeping an eye on you.

Quicksilver: People looking at independents and serial killers are usually very concerned baddies. We know that at least one of the independents can choose to night kill, but we are talking about the one who can win with either side. The other two, while not civ friendly, they definitely want the baddies gone just as much as the next person.

Quicksilver wrote:Scarlet, I'm concerned about both Indy players and Baddies. I'm scared of all 10 of them, but quite frankly more scared of the Indies getting more powerful as the days go by and some being hard for us to get later on. If I were Bad, I would be focussing on Civs, not Indy. We need to really think about this vote because we keep not having much good insight when we vote and we accidentally got a Civ last time.

This is a classic baddie approach. I completely disagree that baddies would be focusing on civilians and not independents. During the day, as scum, you can't get away with lynching too many civilians without having to offer some kind of explanation. Civilians can be eliminated during the night, which leaves independents and baddie teammates. While there are players who would throw their teammates under the bus if necessary for credibility, others may not be too happy with it, so a lynched independent would technically make everyone happy. In this game we have two independents with secrets who can't win with the baddie team, therefore a threat.

Quicksilver wrote:I did not suspect Havok because he suspected Polaris!! I agreed with him here first of all that she seemed suspicious.

Then, i stated my reasons for Havok having my eye was because he expected a different outcome on the poll and asked Epi. That made me want to watch him, and I already made I was eying Polaris before that post from Havok about the poll.

Two totally separate reasons for me to suspect each individual. Don't twist my words.

I do understand his logic here for suspecting both Polaris and Havok, as an independent and a baddie, respectively. If I am to suspect him, it is not for this, but for willing to choose the potential independent over the potential baddie, which makes little sense.

Thunderbird: Votes White Queen without saying anything. He can't have been silenced because both silencers also prevent their target fro voting. Two of the most vocal players so far, White Queen and Avalanche have not posted nor voted yet, and we've seen White Queen lurking so we can assume they have been targeted. Why did you vote for White Queen?

Sebastian Shaw: I would have liked for him to elaborate on why he chose Banshee, after 'feeling' that Deadpool was bad on Day 1.

I voted for Thunderbird, I don't like any aspects of his vote.

The Vision wrote:I'm very conflicted about quicksilver. If he is bad, this has been some pretty sloppy play, I hate to say it, but at the end of the day, I don't see a great alternative. Im voting qs, but I would request that someone put a vote on havok at some point to satisfy my ping about him maybe bring a sentinel...

If I were bad, why would I be putting myself front and center? I'd be sitting back and going with the flow this early of the game.

And Longshot: I reread your question sorry. I was trying to say and mistyped with bad grammar, when I voted for him it was because he was mentioning the pronoun slip up and really insistent upon it. Like, Aha! As an easy way to get attention to someone, because I mentioned I didn't think the slip was something to make me vote for Scarlet Witch also. So I didn't have much to go on besides he looked fishy to me on Day 1 with not much to go by. Also, I will be voting for Polaris because that is who he suspected and not Havok for today. I do want to keep a few others on my radar.

Also guys, being honest me seeing a photo of an Indy that is a villain from the cartoon series I watched of X men just makes me inclined they are bad. I know I have said they are dangerous, but I need to separate my background of X Men from this game and play that way. I apologize for making people confused. I promise if you keep me around, I'm Civ and am trying to help. Don't let us be down another Civ.

I do find Quicksilver suspicious and agree with a lot of what is being said but I don't feel comfortable enough to vote for him yet. I don't see what he is saying coming from a townie, but I have a hard time seeing a baddie saying it either (about independents). Maybe he's an independent. Lmao

I have to leave now, so I'm placing my vote on Quicksilver.

I'm also voting Quicksilver, based on the stuff in my last post. Something about his posts just feels off to me and I don't feel he's someone I can trust.

I think the bad team is trying to get Quicksilver lynched. I think Quicksilver is good.

I wish I could make potions to bring people back, like Deathlok.

Sunfire wrote:@ Sebastian - can you better explain your vote for Banshee?

I guess Banshee could be good, since he explained.

I will change my vote to Cable.

you guys are making a bad mistake. Sigh.... 2 Civs down already. These baddies have this game in the bag...

Sorry I haven't posted much this day phase, Mojo has been working hard to bring home some bacon. I have been reading along though and agree with some points being made about players, particularly quicksilver and havok. Like vision though, I wonder if quickie is a noob because I got that impression from his posts also. But his posts seem to be getting into that desperate, backed into a corner feel:

Quicksilver wrote: you guys are making a bad mistake. Sigh.... 2 Civs down already. These baddies have this game in the bag...

Exaggerate much?

I'd be great if people weren't just like "I think player a is bad and player b is good" if you have some knowledge that can be shared with us do it (not talking about info dumping here) try to get us to see what you are seeing.

Going to do some reviewing....

I can see where there is concern about Quicksilver. I just don't think it is enough to vote him yet. I think the scum might be using this situation to their advantage. So, I am going to choose one of the players that have voted for Quicksilver. *votes Hawkeye*

I also got the feeling QS might be pretty new to the game. QS I think the problem I'm having with your day 1 vote is a wording issue - I'm not really questioning your vote - it sounds like in your explanation you voted for Deathlok because of his reaction to Scarlet which I can see. I'm not sure enough about you to give you a vote today.

I am sure however that Thunderbird's vote makes no sense whatsoever. We have suspected for quite some time today that White Queen has been silenced which would leave her no opportunity to answer her critics. Furthermore, you didn't even put anything in the thread for anyone else to respond to about White Queen, like "hey, she's probably silenced". So I'm putting my vote for now on Thunderbird. If I see a reason to change my vote I'll do it before the deadline.

Oh, Sebastian why are you voting Cable? I know she/he has been quiet but so have some others. Any reason you picked him/her?

Half an hour left and not even half the players have voted. I mean I know I haven't posted an awful lot but come on guys!

I voted for havok. I'd think that if he was wondering about the lynch being a tie that he'd have gone over the scenarios ahead of time and realized that he could have been outing important civvie roles if answered.

I really wish more people were participating....

I voted thunderbird because his vote for white queen struck me as really odd.

sumthin sure does seem off about quicksilver alltho i aint feeling a hundred percent about it..... but nobody else has set my suspicio-meter dancin so gonna go with quicksilver, hope your not an x-man and sry if u are

Sebastian Shaw wrote:I think the bad team is trying to get Quicksilver lynched. I think Quicksilver is good.

I wish I could make potions to bring people back, like Deathlok.

Sunfire wrote:@ Sebastian - can you better explain your vote for Banshee?

I guess Banshee could be good, since he explained.

I will change my vote to Cable.

So you are going to completely ignore my post response with questions?

Your style of play is different to me. I am not quite sure how to take you the tone just seems idk what word I want but I guess confused, but yet you state things so matter of factly. Just different. Confused sureness! That's it. That's how your posts read to me.


Thunderbird - whoa! I do not care for his vote without explanation.


Quicksilver - I appreciate all the responses you have given but I am just still sooo unsure of your motives for speaking out about Indy's so strongly like at first you did care about a 7 man baddie team. Until I said something. If you read your own posts you will see you kept saying yopu wanted to get rid of indy's. You wanted to lynch one today. The only thing holding me back is the people who came out of the woodwork and latched onto you. I makes me feel icky about them. Dazzler and Hawkeye spring to mind.

I have a few minutes left to ponder.

Linky - Mojo LOL you just called your own self out

that should read "did NOT care"^^ to Quicksilver

I really don't understand all these votes on quicksilver.

Either Quicksilver is trying really, really hard to appear Civvie, or really really wants to help...oh, my bleeding heart.

I don't think I have enough on QS either to vote him out (and sorry for such a late vote/post - working late AGAIN).

I'll go with Thunderbird for the suspicious White Queen vote and just a hunch. Hope I'm right...

Bastion wrote:I really don't understand all these votes on quicksilver.

I voted him because he seems to place more priority on lynching indies than baddies. Of the indies, one we can't kill at all, one may not even be a threat, and a third may be civ-aligned for all we know (though if I were Omega Red I wouldn't put all my eggs in one alliance's basket). Just doesn't seem like a pro-civ way of acting to me. I don't have anything better to go on with anybody else so it was him or something even weaker.

Dazzler's vote has just gave me the worst kind of vibe. She quotes one post of Quicksilver who was responding to me and then uses it to make her vote without bothering to check roles or facts. Seems idk bandwagon-y.

I am Voting Thunderbird Idk if White Queen is good or not but I do know she is silenced and voting this way with no explanation is all sorts of strange.

Dazzler wrote:

Bastion wrote:I really don't understand all these votes on quicksilver.

I voted him because he seems to place more priority on lynching indies than baddies. Of the indies, one we can't kill at all, one may not even be a threat, and a third may be civ-aligned for all we know (though if I were Omega Red I wouldn't put all my eggs in one alliance's basket). Just doesn't seem like a pro-civ way of acting to me. I don't have anything better to go on with anybody else so it was him or something even weaker.

I understand that reasoning but it seems like other people are just jumping on for no reason.

I'm not going to have the time to catch up on all the conversation that I've missed today while I was away a computer. I don't feel comfortable with either of the two top vote getters, so I am going to vote Polaris today.

I did not know it was tied (and I broke it) but I still feel good about my vote choice.

I forgot to post, but the reason I voted what i did was because i randomized.

@sw- I have been participating more than quite a few....

Shit.shit shit I just got online, I guess I'd been trying to do the wrong url this while timengrbjing sunfire,

Scarlet Witch wrote:Dazzler's vote has just gave me the worst kind of vibe. She quotes one post of Quicksilver who was responding to me and then uses it to make her vote without bothering to check roles or facts. Seems idk bandwagon-y.

I am Voting Thunderbird Idk if White Queen is good or not but I do know she is silenced and voting this way with no explanation is all sorts of strange.

Well it's pretty blatantly obvious I haven't been around much, and the reason for that is that the past couple of days I've been really busy so haven't had time to be fully engaged with mafia. If I'm reading through late in the day and find something suspicious but others have already pursued as far as it'll probably go then there's not really much point in me saying much else is there? I felt like everything I wanted to ask Quicksilver had already been asked and his answers didn't change my thinking. I did read his posts and check facts. It's not like I just saw that one post and threw down my vote.

Now having the time and power of retrospect I wish I had voted fsir silverfish thpugh I haven't read the more recent posts, what's the deal with thunder bird?

Shoot! I knew I should have voted before work tonight! Haven't caught up yet but based on where I was last, I would have voted for Quicksilver.

Destroy a participant_

Poll ended at Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:32 pm

Banshee
0
No votes

Bastion
0
No votes

Cable
1
Sebastian Shaw (10)
5%

Dazzler
0
No votes

Deadpool
0
No votes

Domino
0
No votes

Exodus
0
No votes

Havok
1
Mojo (14)
5%

Hawkeye
1
Sunfire (11)
5%

Longshot
0
No votes

Marrow
0
No votes

Mikhail Rasputin
0
No votes

Mojo
0
No votes

Phoenix
0
No votes

Polaris
1
Havok (20)
5%

Quicksilver
5
Spiral (4), The Vision (5), Hawkeye (7), Dazzler (9), Deadpool (16)
25%

Scarlet Witch
0
No votes

Sebastian Shaw
0
No votes

Shadowcat
0
No votes

Spiral
0
No votes

Sunfire
1
Banshee (19)
5%

Thunderbird
6
Exodus (6), Longshot (12), Quicksilver (13), Bastion (15), Phoenix (17), Scarlet Witch (18)
30%

The Vision
0
No votes

White Queen
1
Thunderbird (3)
5%

Magma (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), Metalmarsh89 (2), insertnamehere (8)
15%


Total votes : 20

Thunderbird sat in quiet meditation by a fire from a smoldering piece of furniture left over from the destruction the day before. He breathed in the smoke, and thought of how combustion- such a simple act of nature- was the essence of so many technological developments throughout the history of mankind.

He was so lost in thought- so serene- that many believed he was plotting against them, and so they surrounded him and used the fire against his flesh.

Had they asked him about his thoughts instead of burning him, they might have learned what new technological wonder he had invented next, and who might receive it.

The X-mansion’s welcoming yet austere interior deteriorated around everyone, replaced with a cool Scottish sea breeze.

Dr. Moira MacTaggert, renowned geneticist, was there to welcome the arriving mutants.

“Welcome to the Muir Island Mutant Research Centre,” she said.

The Muir Island Mutant Research Centre, a stately technological marvel, home to many scientific wonders, stood behind her.

“We believe we have finally perfected a replacement mutant gene. We have spent years researching it, and we want it to be a boon to those poor unfortunate ones who...”

Moira turned her face aside for a moment to contain herself; that both years of pain and immediate rejoicing were roiling within her was clear.

“Those poor mutants who are a danger to themselves and others.”

Moira looked hopefully at the group.

“Would any one of you be keen on forsaking all inborn mutant abilities for something different- something helpful?”

Sorry T-bird .

RIP Thunderbird. Had to vote for you to save my skin in this poll buddy.
I def will be looking at people who started harping on throwing votes on me, but I guess to the Baddies it didn't matter if either of us died.

Mojo wrote:I voted for havok. I'd think that if he was wondering about the lynch being a tie that he'd have gone over the scenarios ahead of time and realized that he could have been outing important civvie roles if answered.

I really wish more people were participating....

You aren't clear here, but I assume you meant that "If I were a civvie" I would have gone over the scenarios ahead of time before asking my question. Is that correct? If it is, then using this same line of logic, why would I even ask the question if I were a baddie? I thought I had gone over all the scenarios before I asked that question. I guess I confused myself over the Sentinel's vote manipulation because when I asked the question, in my head I was thinking that if the lynch was a tie it would show to us that Wolverine and Cyclops were not involved and that other manipulations were at play. My mistake.

To be honest, I'm a little perplexed as to why anyone would think that a baddie would ask that question. What is the potential upside?

It seems like you weren't really looking at the outcome of your question from a civvie perspective. I'd think you're more likely to be a sentinel that a member of the brotherhood.

RIP Thunderbird. It shows I voted already, however, I am not sure how that happened. I will change my vote when I am ready to vote for real.

Why is it more likely that I would ask that question as The Sentinel rather than a civvie?

As has been pointed out already, The Sentinel's vote is worthless if it gets any lynch votes. So, why would the Sentinel do that?

Ughhhh RIP Thunderbird! Not going on hunches anymore...

A question for The Vision: You requested that someone place a vote on me "just in case" I am The Sentinel. Why not vote for me yourself instead of asking someone else to do it? I don't see anything wrong with the plan, I just wonder why you asked someone else to do it?