The Syndicate

maybe we should lynch marmot

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:19 pm maybe we should lynch marmot

Finally someone is making sense!

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:19 pm maybe we should lynch marmot

Finally someone is making sense!

But he's not on the poll.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:19 pm maybe we should lynch marmot

Finally someone is making sense!

But he's not on the poll.

neither was dr wilgy

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:19 pm maybe we should lynch marmot

I object

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:52 pm My ears are burning.

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:19 pm maybe we should lynch marmot

I object

If the mafia can lynch people who aren't on the polls then why shouldn't I?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:56 pm I'd imagine there was some manner of lynch switch. Perhaps Elohcin is mafia and either she or a teammate triggered a secret ability. It's also possible Elohcin is a civilian and that's per personal secret ability. I'm not sure she was even around to be aware of her own imminent lynch though.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:05 am @Elohcin do you know what happened?

Oh my goodness, guys?! So I voted and left the thread and didn't come back. I started reading where I left off when I left yesterday and didn't realize I had the most votes until I got to the top of the next page! I have no clue what happened but I am so glad it did. WTF reasons do y'all have for voting me anyway? Please... tell me. I don't mind defending myself even though it's after the fact.

hmmmmmmnnbnnnnnnnnnbgggggggggg

it's possible

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:25 pmit's possible

What's possible?

I'm half-asleep RN and not following

Theory: Kylemii has information (and of course can neither confirm nor deny that)

Said info is not infallible. Thus the above posts.

50 posts.

This night is silenter than the freaking Nativity.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:25 pmit's possible

What's possible?

I'm half-asleep RN and not following

anything is possible if you believe hard enough

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:00 pm Theory: Kylemii has information (and of course can neither confirm nor deny that)

Said info is not infallible. Thus the above posts.

i don't actually know anything, but it is technically possible that Eloh is telling the truth.

probably not though.

Eloh being civ and also being the cause of wilgy's lynch is ruled out by her own testimony and her not being around when she was almost lynched.

it's possible a civ eloh was saved by the mafia to keep the attention on her during the next day phase. this requires a mafia that's in a good enough position to win that they can sacrifice a power like that easily for that kind of gambit. for example if novaselinever, made, and someone else? were the mafia and yesterday realized they were two lynches away from victory they might have preferred to lynch wilgy so we'd focus on Eloh the next day.

Alternatively, a civ with a vote switch power might have decided that Wilgy was a better alternative to Eloh, which by itself would be NAI for Eloh.

all these things are technically possible

another question to ask, if the mafia had a lynch switch then why didn't they use it on marmot?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:33 pm another question to ask, if the mafia had a lynch switch then why didn't they use it on marmot?

Yeah this didn't really seem like the ideal time to use it.

And to Wilgy, no less. Wilgy. Really?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:33 pm another question to ask, if the mafia had a lynch switch then why didn't they use it on marmot?

Yeah this didn't really seem like the ideal time to use it.

And to Wilgy, no less. Wilgy. Really?

like I feel like I'm in full on devil's advocate mode but if the switch was done by mafia then why choose Wilgy? he would have been an easy mislynch. Why not choose someone who has a decent amount of trust and would be harder to get a regular mislynch on, like you or lapluie?

or long con? what would they have to lose?

though even if the lynch switch were out of the mafia's hands, the fact that Eloh claims she didn't know why it happened means it's NAI right?

is this aluminum foil

Titanium foil!

Nah, with the lynch going to Wilgy, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that 3P or Town did it.

Doesn't mean Eloh is NOT scum, either. NAI indeed. I guess we could just ignore it?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:59 pm Titanium foil!

Nah, with the lynch going to Wilgy, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that 3P or Town did it.

Doesn't mean Eloh is NOT scum, either. NAI indeed. I guess we could just ignore it?

it depends on The Math i think...

if the next lynch is lylo then there's a possibility that us trying to re-lynch Eloh is exactly what the mafia wants, in that specific scenario there'd be no risk to the mafia using the switch to save a civ and implicate another...
but then again..... why choose Wilgy, when removing a more universally trusted player would improve their chances?

I would enjoy a review of The Current Numbers, if anyone is mathematically inclined

If the mafia kill goes through on a townie tonight, we'll have ten people left as follows (as far as I know):

5 town
3 mafia
2 3P

We've lost most town manipulators. It looks like only Liu Kang MIGHT remain. Baraka does remain for scum. Thus:

5 town -1 vote + maybe 1 for Liu? = 4 votes +maybe 1
3 mafia = 3 votes
2 3P = 2 votes for... town probably right now? Iffy.

If the third parties vote against town we're pretty much screwed. If not, and if they stick with town, things are fine for at least one more mislynch.

Whether we are in Mylo, Lylo, loser-land, or in the clear for a mislynch depends on the third parties.

I don't really know why a civilian would switch the lynch either. I can understand arguments that it shouldn't make Elohcin look worse, but I don't think it makes her look better either. It's nothing at best. I can guarantee that at least one independent didn't cause that.

Another problem to consider when you figure out the numbers is Shang Tsung -- that player is probably copying Baraka's vote removal. The Wilgy switch leaves the game in dire straits, and I don't think there's much margin for error if any remaining. The game must go on.

it'll probably be fine

As long as we all vote for Elo we will live another dizzay I reckon

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:48 pm though even if the lynch switch were out of the mafia's hands, the fact that Eloh claims she didn't know why it happened means it's NAI right?

is this aluminum foil

What is NAI?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:38 pm As long as we all vote for Elo we will live another dizzay I reckon

Why though? Why are you all wanting to vote for me?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:48 pm though even if the lynch switch were out of the mafia's hands, the fact that Eloh claims she didn't know why it happened means it's NAI right?

is this aluminum foil

What is NAI?

Not Alignment Indicative

if someone other than you switched the lynch to save your life then we can't know for sure if it was a civ or mafia who did it, and whether or not the switcher was civ or mafia doesn't necessarily inform us of your alignment because mafia might have reason to switch the Lynch away from you regardless of your alignment, and a civ switching the lynch away from you might not know your alignment.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:05 pm Why though? Why are you all wanting to vote for me?

I'll start you off with an appetizer:

You didn't give my case against Marmot a chance. You didn't begin to give it a chance. You didn't consider suspicion of Marmot beyond my case. Your handling of Marmot can be described as follows:

"JJJ's case on Marmot isn't good. Why isn't JJJ's case on Marmot better? What a bad case. It's bad stinky crud. Welp, I suppose that's all I have to say about that." Your criticisms of my case were as vague as they were stubborn, and worse: you made no personal effort to assess Marmot yourself. You absolved him because you didn't care for my case. The strength of my case against Marmot is irrelevant to Marmot's alignment.

Icky poo.

rip long con

noooooooo ; _;

Whys wilgy on poll hes dead

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:18 pm

Long Con has been killed.

It is now Day 8. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Not ideal

I feel like Elohcin, Made, and novaselinenever is a mafia buffet. I have placed a vote.

Jimmy got that sweet made tunnel crankin.

yeaaahh sticking to my last vote was of made.

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:29 pm yeaaahh sticking to my last vote was of made.

Whaddya suspect about ol' Made?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:31 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:29 pm yeaaahh sticking to my last vote was of made.

Whaddya suspect about ol' Made?

everythaaang

has anyone been removed from the poll this time? it seems like not

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:19 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:05 pm Why though? Why are you all wanting to vote for me?

I'll start you off with an appetizer:

You didn't give my case against Marmot a chance. You didn't begin to give it a chance. You didn't consider suspicion of Marmot beyond my case. Your handling of Marmot can be described as follows:

"JJJ's case on Marmot isn't good. Why isn't JJJ's case on Marmot better? What a bad case. It's bad stinky crud. Welp, I suppose that's all I have to say about that." Your criticisms of my case were as vague as they were stubborn, and worse: you made no personal effort to assess Marmot yourself. You absolved him because you didn't care for my case. The strength of my case against Marmot is irrelevant to Marmot's alignment.

Icky poo.

Not true! I went and read marmot. I said his reactions to your case, though stupid, were very weird. He didn;t try to defend himsef at all. And I had a feeling my defense of him would come back to bite me in the ass. I said he could possibly be mafia because of how he reacted and didn't fight. I said that he sounded genuinely frustrated. I promise you, I read his posts and did my own assessment OUTSIDE of your ssensless case and it makes me mad that you are saying I did not. If you vote for me on this you are voting on false accusations. I don;t knwo what is wrong with you this game, but you cannot seem to come up with a valid argument imo.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:37 pm Not true! I went and read marmot. I said his reactions to your case, though stupid, were very weird. He didn;t try to defend himsef at all. And I had a feeling my defense of him would come back to bite me in the ass. I said he could possibly be mafia because of how he reacted and didn't fight. I said that he sounded genuinely frustrated. I promise you, I read his posts and did my own assessment OUTSIDE of your ssensless case and it makes me mad that you are saying I did not. If you vote for me on this you are voting on false accusations. I don;t knwo what is wrong with you this game, but you cannot seem to come up with a valid argument imo.

My "senseless case" is the reason he's a corpse. It made sense and you didn't make an effort to understand it. To disagree is fine. speedchuck also disagreed with some of my points. He eventually considered the case and Marmot in general from a different mindset and came to a better understanding of the points I was trying to make. What did you do?

Call it a bad case.

Then call it a bad case again.

Then call it a bad case some more.

Then ask why the case isn't better.

What the hell is this post:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:22 pm the second. So...this makes y'all think Jay is civ and that he seriously thinks marmot is bad? But why not have a more convincing case on him then?

This is not a player who is trying to grasp a case.

and my criticisms of your case were not vague. I was very precise on what I thought about your points.

You are making me mad Jay because you are saying things that are not true. Go back and read that whole day.

Anyone else think they should vote me because I "had no personal effort to assess marmot myself". What a jerk and a fucking liar you are being, Jay. I'm sorry to get upset, but I don't take it well when I put time and effort into something and someone tries to shit all over it like I didn't do a fucking thing. I have to go to sleep and not post again this evening. Gah! I'm angry.

linki I am not reading tonight

@Elochin ok who would you vote for ?

oh ok goodnight

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:45 pm and my criticisms of your case were not vague. I was very precise on what I thought about your points.

You are making me mad Jay because you are saying things that are not true. Go back and read that whole day.

Anyone else think they should vote me because I "had no personal effort to assess marmot myself". What a jerk and a fucking liar you are being, Jay. I'm sorry to get upset, but I don't take it well when I put time and effort into something and someone tries to shit all over it like I didn't do a fucking thing. I have to go to sleep and not post again this evening. Gah! I'm angry.

I was there too. You said things about the case. They were vague. "That just seems like Marmot to me." That is nothing. That is not a read. It's an absolution of a player who is under pressure for no reason.

I have no desire to upset you. I'm playing Mafia though, and if I have reason to believe that you are aligned the mafia team I am going to say so as I always have before. Marmot gave this shit too.