The Syndicate

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

Can you explain why you are scum reading me?

Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

The only active explanation available for the lack of a Night 1 kill is hawkataine.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:21 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

I think your notes would be more than welcome. Please spam away.

i tried to copy them for ytou but the formatting emssed uop so i have saved the as screenshots but i cant find a way to upload the pictures here

I usually use imgur to host the image, then in the full-text editor, there is an "insert image" button at the top that you can put the link from the imgur.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

The only active explanation available for the lack of a Night 1 kill is hawkataine.

But like... why'd you lie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!

The entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.

Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.

This does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.

Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

The only active explanation available for the lack of a Night 1 kill is hawkataine.

But like... why'd you lie?

I didn't lie. I shared my interpretation of what I was told.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:21 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

I think your notes would be more than welcome. Please spam away.

i tried to copy them for ytou but the formatting emssed uop so i have saved the as screenshots but i cant find a way to upload the pictures here

I usually use imgur to host the image, then in the full-text editor, there is an "insert image" button at the top that you can put the link from the imgur.

i hope this works lol

I'm permitted one brief post to discuss this:

Hosts clarified for me that the language I received may have been unclear. Gavial and I were still targetable by external killing actions. Based on what I read I thought we could only die on the basis of our own votes in the date.

I'm not talking about this further.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

Idk about this and also I'm not a huge fan of the "let's move on" vibe I feel like this is worth talking about? Didn't someone say yesterday they were going to vig shot gavial?

JFC

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

Can you explain why you are scum reading me?

my read on you came late into where i am currently at and was because i had been able to look at a lot of content and form reads from it but you seemed to still not be doing this and leaning into flavor and it felt like you were using it a as a wawy to generate content to me

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!

The entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.

Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.

This does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.

Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.

Gulio you have to realize at some point not every game follows the Holy Book of Mafia Roles authored by Mafia Universe.

If it were that simple they would've posted the role-cards. But they haven't.

Maybe it's because of things such as the Cupid having secret effects after their death, such as the Date.

Dana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

Idk about this and also I'm not a huge fan of the "let's move on" vibe I feel like this is worth talking about? Didn't someone say yesterday they were going to vig shot gavial?

It's impossible to have this conversation anymore without feeling like I am not in the spirit of the game. I'm done. Sorry.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!

The entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.

Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.

This does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.

Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.

Yeah I think assuming this role works the way you think it does is a bad idea

Role-card descriptions I mean.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:37 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

Idk about this and also I'm not a huge fan of the "let's move on" vibe I feel like this is worth talking about? Didn't someone say yesterday they were going to vig shot gavial?

It's impossible to have this conversation anymore without feeling like I am not in the spirit of the game. I'm done. Sorry.

thats it! that's the seed!

Anyone:

Why is hawkataine town?

how was ur date Jay?

Ok Jay is lock town, no arguments allowed

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:37 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.

Idk about this and also I'm not a huge fan of the "let's move on" vibe I feel like this is worth talking about? Didn't someone say yesterday they were going to vig shot gavial?

It's impossible to have this conversation anymore without feeling like I am not in the spirit of the game. I'm done. Sorry.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you're not in the spirit of the game. Just trying to figure things out

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:38 pm how was ur date Jay?

Cliffs:

Gavial and I had to decide who dies, either or both of us. He took the sacrifice like a hero. Mafia didn't try to kill me N1. hawkataine block serious.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:37 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!

The entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.

Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.

This does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.

Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.

Gulio you have to realize at some point not every game follows the Holy Book of Mafia Roles authored by Mafia Universe.

If it were that simple they would've posted the role-cards. But they haven't.

Maybe it's because of things such as the Cupid having secret effects after their death, such as the Date.

Martin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.

There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:38 pm how was ur date Jay?

Cliffs:

Gavial and I had to decide who dies, either or both of us. He took the sacrifice like a hero. Mafia didn't try to kill me N1. hawkataine block serious.

I mean like what was he like did he buy you flowers did u see a move what movie was it did u kith

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:21 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

I think your notes would be more than welcome. Please spam away.

i tried to copy them for ytou but the formatting emssed uop so i have saved the as screenshots but i cant find a way to upload the pictures here

I usually use imgur to host the image, then in the full-text editor, there is an "insert image" button at the top that you can put the link from the imgur.

i hope this works lol

Have you always made these charts like this, or is it something you are trying out for this game?

I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:38 pm how was ur date Jay?

Cliffs:

Gavial and I had to decide who dies, either or both of us. He took the sacrifice like a hero. Mafia didn't try to kill me N1. hawkataine block serious.

I mean like what was he like did he buy you flowers did u see a move what movie was it did u kith

He was a darling. We just stayed up late and gossiped about all of you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:38 pm how was ur date Jay?

Cliffs:

Gavial and I had to decide who dies, either or both of us. He took the sacrifice like a hero. Mafia didn't try to kill me N1. hawkataine block serious.

I mean like what was he like did he buy you flowers did u see a move what movie was it did u kith

He was a darling. We just stayed up late and gossiped about all of you.

cool cool cool

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.

The whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose Gavial

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm Martin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.

There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.

You are looking at this at a very one directional, i can wifom any way with this and say why jjj doesnt get targeted. Lets say jay gets killed but a role blocker gavial being alive is better for mafia?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.

I’m not gonna say a part of me isn’t a bit suspicious, I’m just saying it does logically make sense. Couldn’t the Cupid role be modified a bit for this game? She was a 1-shot and Cupid is always a 1-shot from what I read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:15 pm Why are you still alive jay

Because Gavial is a hero.

Our "date" was a one night BTSC wherein we had to decide together among three options:

1) I die.
2) Gavial dies.
3) We both die.

If we didn't come to an agreement, it'd be #3. Gavial made the ultimate sacrifice, and he deserves a great deal of respect for that. And there's no way the mafia target me with that cupid shot on Night 1 if I am a night kill target.

what is being on a date like? what happens :o

EBWOP: isn’t always*

lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm Martin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.

There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.

You are looking at this at a very one directional, i can wifom any way with this and say why jjj doesnt get targeted. Lets say jay gets killed but a role blocker gavial being alive is better for mafia?

A deepwolf is better than a roleblocker specially after losing two mafia and missing a night kill, yes! Absolutely yes!

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Actv, you're here!

Tell me about your night!

This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story

bad bunny wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pm what is being on a date like? what happens :o

You have a nice conversation, laugh together about the absurdity of life, enjoy a walk along a path surrounded by lush overgrowth, say goodbye, and then get ghosted.

Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pm This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story

and since I am Jay you know what that means

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:21 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

I think your notes would be more than welcome. Please spam away.

i tried to copy them for ytou but the formatting emssed uop so i have saved the as screenshots but i cant find a way to upload the pictures here

I usually use imgur to host the image, then in the full-text editor, there is an "insert image" button at the top that you can put the link from the imgur.

i hope this works lol

Have you always made these charts like this, or is it something you are trying out for this game?

actualy useually i just post things as the game is happening and thoughts pop in to my head, actually you are on of the few people ive played with a few times so you know that is my style

the notes was to help me keep everything toegther during reading back, i did some thing similar when i repped into my first ever game on mafia cafe

Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

it was literally owner

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:44 pm A deepwolf is better than a roleblocker specially after losing two mafia and missing a night kill, yes! Absolutely yes!

lol no.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

it was literally owner

she had a whole ass team

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Actv, you're here!

Tell me about your night!

Uneventful — just watched some Golden Girls haha

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

yeah no, i would rather lynch you or sloonei than mac.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:37 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!

The entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.

Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.

This does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.

Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.

Gulio you have to realize at some point not every game follows the Holy Book of Mafia Roles authored by Mafia Universe.

If it were that simple they would've posted the role-cards. But they haven't.

Maybe it's because of things such as the Cupid having secret effects after their death, such as the Date.

Martin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.

There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.

What I'm more concerned by is that its not easy to prove what happens here if JJJ is indeed town.

It's very easy to jump on the mafia-JJJ conclusion here without much need for evidence, whereas proving a town JJJ in the situation may very well need.

I don't feel safe in trying to fairly assess it, and if JJJ is mafia we will find that out later. But last I recall there are several players vouching for him; even a player that has reportedly played with him for years and apparently both of them can't really fool the other (If I have my facts straight).

I also have the impression Day 1 and Day 2 in terms of wagons would have taken a different turn if JJJ were mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

it was literally owner

she had a whole ass team

cmon guy

lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

yeah no, i would rather lynch you or sloonei than mac.

fucken lets go my boi