The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:12 pm i am frustrated for reasons that do not belong in the game thread, sorry for yelling

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:09 pm i will not be interacting with you further because i only get frustrated with your tone and approach but i think you are town. maybe we can reach some agreements on reads eventually

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:08 pm you have been nothing but rude and dismissive all game i have a fucking life i am not putting effort into this until it's reasonable to do so

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:47 pm Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:53 pm who are ricochet and pyxxy? only people itg i don’t recognize at all

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:49 pm DeZees
DrWilg
Falcon
Lily
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie

all of these people have high player equity by virtue of being syndicate regulars and/or people who currently play a lot of games

they’ve all skated by with little scrutiny despite doing ~nothing villagery or pro town that i can see

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:53 pm who are ricochet and pyxxy? only people itg i don’t recognize at all

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:12 pm i am frustrated for reasons that do not belong in the game thread, sorry for yelling

I am sorry to hear that

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:09 pm i will not be interacting with you further because i only get frustrated with your tone and approach but i think you are town. maybe we can reach some agreements on reads eventually

I agree you reading the Iso is villagery and i said what I said because I don't trust ranmila and I prefer your own takes. I am sorry if it came out with a bad tone, in my head sounded different

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:08 pm you have been nothing but rude and dismissive all game i have a fucking life i am not putting effort into this until it's reasonable to do so

I am expressing my thoughts directly, is this rude?
I will not talk to you/about you if that’s bothering you so much

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:14 pm So, what's actually happening this game?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:00 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:47 pm Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

Like the fact the kill of TSP has no link to me, you being alive is the same.
You should not clear me, or no one else, based on Wifom

Actually i am curious, what game experience you have?

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:14 pm So, what's actually happening this game?

Flying spaghetti monster abducting cheeky pastafarians

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:20 am Seanzie my #2 choice as of right now. Other candidates include lilypetal, porcha, neon, ricochet, maybe schiavetto but realistically not over those others.
Don't think Nanook or Guillo are good votes.
Still townread Scotty but the suspicion there is already "see if Ranmilia is wrong" so shrugze.
No longer wish to eliminate Santy or Ender barring further developments.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:48 pm C4 - outed npc
Chelsea - likely npc
Creature - town?
DeeZees - player, null
DrWilgy - wolf?
Dyslexicon - town
Ender - town pass for now
Falcon - null
G-Man - tbh gonna say town
Guillo - npc
Hally - npc
Iaafr - npc
Ilario - player, null
IAWY - town?
Jack - town?
Jjj - npc
Katze - npc
Lily - null
Lumi - modbot
Manny - town
Marmot - mod
Michelle - town atp
Nanook - town
Neon - slight wolf
Nutella - town:)
Porscha - slight town
Pyxxy - null
Ranmilia - npc but town
Ricochet - kinda wolfy
Rondo - town for now ig
Santy - town
Scotty - town
Seanzie - wolfy
Schiavetto - wolfy
Silverkeith - town npc
Sloonei - npc
Sprityo - null
Vivax - dadaist sage


def still far from able to narrow down pl and a lot are pretty null without looking into isos but here are some snap reads a few of which might be based on anything

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:56 pm Let's see who is defending me and why, and who is accusing me and why.

I started the game being extremely busy, so I can't blame TSP for thinking i am bad. However the votes from HK and Nanook are both bad. They know how busy I am so me low posting shouldn't be so important for them.

Their meta suspicion, if based on post count, is bad and outdated.

Other suspicion came from Chelsea and i don't know the reason but we rarely play together and our previous game wasn't recent.

Another came from ranmila because she was sheeping the others and took personal the fact i said i don't care about her and Chelsea's votes. For me that meant i don't trust their reads regardless alignament but the way i worded wasn't the best.

Iaafr was on the fence and pushed me, receiving my insta vote and his reaction changed my first take.

After this nutella sheeped ranmila and I considered that suspicious

I didn't read if there were another players suspecting me, Creature just voted me iirc but i forgot why.

There isn't a single player above who asked me anything before labeling me as wolf.

Now who TR me:
- Ender, in a moment when I was pushed and the thread was against me. Defending a villager may be a way to receive town read, but what wolf is doing it so openly and against the grain? That gave me a TR for him. Ender knows me well, we played a team game at MU together and he has a good read on me since then.

- Golden, we recently played the game 1 and we were wolves together. He noticed and shared a difference in my play. He is one of the flipped players who witnessed first hand my latest meta.

- wilgy played that game as well, he also TR me without feeling like a false thought

- Dizzy knows me very well, i am not surprised about the read

I can accept TRs from all these people without suspecting them of pocketing attempts.

- illario TRs me. He keeps his cards close to the chest so i can't give a read about him. He is one of the few players who read me well since we wolfed together and knows he can't misread me without rising suspicion as wolf, or he is just town/npc shading a correct read.

- SilverKeith TR me. I can't read him.

When Ranmila says there are wolves around me, that may be, i can't say anything else that I have a lot of people around me and maybe tomorrow if i am alive I can think at them. But also if anyone wants to go into this direction, please tell me if you consider I am wrong in anything i said above



Reading the post from Ranmila I get the spectator feeling, and I understand she read my games and have a personal opinion about my meta. Because of that I don't understand why you had to sheep the others regarding my slot.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:04 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

I kinda don't really buy a lot of nutella's frustration from eod1 as genuine, I forgot about it but her recent outburst reminded me

And im willing to defer to your Michelle read for a bit at least, given mine is pretty lazy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:05 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:56 pm Let's see who is defending me and why, and who is accusing me and why.

I started the game being extremely busy, so I can't blame TSP for thinking i am bad. However the votes from HK and Nanook are both bad. They know how busy I am so me low posting shouldn't be so important for them.

Their meta suspicion, if based on post count, is bad and outdated.

Other suspicion came from Chelsea and i don't know the reason but we rarely play together and our previous game wasn't recent.

Another came from ranmila because she was sheeping the others and took personal the fact i said i don't care about her and Chelsea's votes. For me that meant i don't trust their reads regardless alignament but the way i worded wasn't the best.

Iaafr was on the fence and pushed me, receiving my insta vote and his reaction changed my first take.

After this nutella sheeped ranmila and I considered that suspicious

I didn't read if there were another players suspecting me, Creature just voted me iirc but i forgot why.

There isn't a single player above who asked me anything before labeling me as wolf.

Now who TR me:
- Ender, in a moment when I was pushed and the thread was against me. Defending a villager may be a way to receive town read, but what wolf is doing it so openly and against the grain? That gave me a TR for him. Ender knows me well, we played a team game at MU together and he has a good read on me since then.

- Golden, we recently played the game 1 and we were wolves together. He noticed and shared a difference in my play. He is one of the flipped players who witnessed first hand my latest meta.

- wilgy played that game as well, he also TR me without feeling like a false thought

- Dizzy knows me very well, i am not surprised about the read

I can accept TRs from all these people without suspecting them of pocketing attempts.

- illario TRs me. He keeps his cards close to the chest so i can't give a read about him. He is one of the few players who read me well since we wolfed together and knows he can't misread me without rising suspicion as wolf, or he is just town/npc shading a correct read.

- SilverKeith TR me. I can't read him.

When Ranmila says there are wolves around me, that may be, i can't say anything else that I have a lot of people around me and maybe tomorrow if i am alive I can think at them. But also if anyone wants to go into this direction, please tell me if you consider I am wrong in anything i said above



Reading the post from Ranmila I get the spectator feeling, and I understand she read my games and have a personal opinion about my meta. Because of that I don't understand why you had to sheep the others regarding my slot.

Is it outdated tho

Have you ever posted 60 times as mafia

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:04 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

I kinda don't really buy a lot of nutella's frustration from eod1 as genuine, I forgot about it but her recent outburst reminded me

And im willing to defer to your Michelle read for a bit at least, given mine is pretty lazy

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:05 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:56 pm Let's see who is defending me and why, and who is accusing me and why.

I started the game being extremely busy, so I can't blame TSP for thinking i am bad. However the votes from HK and Nanook are both bad. They know how busy I am so me low posting shouldn't be so important for them.

Their meta suspicion, if based on post count, is bad and outdated.

Other suspicion came from Chelsea and i don't know the reason but we rarely play together and our previous game wasn't recent.

Another came from ranmila because she was sheeping the others and took personal the fact i said i don't care about her and Chelsea's votes. For me that meant i don't trust their reads regardless alignament but the way i worded wasn't the best.

Iaafr was on the fence and pushed me, receiving my insta vote and his reaction changed my first take.

After this nutella sheeped ranmila and I considered that suspicious

I didn't read if there were another players suspecting me, Creature just voted me iirc but i forgot why.

There isn't a single player above who asked me anything before labeling me as wolf.

Now who TR me:
- Ender, in a moment when I was pushed and the thread was against me. Defending a villager may be a way to receive town read, but what wolf is doing it so openly and against the grain? That gave me a TR for him. Ender knows me well, we played a team game at MU together and he has a good read on me since then.

- Golden, we recently played the game 1 and we were wolves together. He noticed and shared a difference in my play. He is one of the flipped players who witnessed first hand my latest meta.

- wilgy played that game as well, he also TR me without feeling like a false thought

- Dizzy knows me very well, i am not surprised about the read

I can accept TRs from all these people without suspecting them of pocketing attempts.

- illario TRs me. He keeps his cards close to the chest so i can't give a read about him. He is one of the few players who read me well since we wolfed together and knows he can't misread me without rising suspicion as wolf, or he is just town/npc shading a correct read.

- SilverKeith TR me. I can't read him.

When Ranmila says there are wolves around me, that may be, i can't say anything else that I have a lot of people around me and maybe tomorrow if i am alive I can think at them. But also if anyone wants to go into this direction, please tell me if you consider I am wrong in anything i said above



Reading the post from Ranmila I get the spectator feeling, and I understand she read my games and have a personal opinion about my meta. Because of that I don't understand why you had to sheep the others regarding my slot.

Is it outdated tho

Have you ever posted 60 times as mafia

Yes

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:08 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:04 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

I kinda don't really buy a lot of nutella's frustration from eod1 as genuine, I forgot about it but her recent outburst reminded me

And im willing to defer to your Michelle read for a bit at least, given mine is pretty lazy

Bruh.
A large part of my Michelle read is that you voted her. Presumably based on something.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:21 pm no offense to nook, he has good reads

but idk how anyone looked at his michelle wolf read this game and thought it was like a great read that should be sheeped

it was pretty obviously just sbpc/clicking buttons lol, he’s literally been min posting

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:49 pm DeZees
DrWilg
Falcon
Lily
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie

all of these people have high player equity by virtue of being syndicate regulars and/or people who currently play a lot of games

they’ve all skated by with little scrutiny despite doing ~nothing villagery or pro town that i can see

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:31 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

He popped in and said nothing

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:29 pm Ok so from this game i will never post daily more than 30 posts as self limitation with the exception of ongoing and hydra games.

The sbpc is not the new ww expert

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:13 pm And fwiw I didn't read what your Michelle read was based on lol I just saw it mentioned

Why does me voting her make her town? Are you preflipping me mafia?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:28 pm there’s so many slots we should be mowing down before entertaining killing anyone that’s even moderately villagery because so many slots in this game have literally done nothing lol

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:13 pm And fwiw I didn't read what your Michelle read was based on lol I just saw it mentioned

Why does me voting her make her town? Are you preflipping me mafia?

It doesn't? Our wires are crossed, I've also been anti-Michelle, because A. her posting wasn't great but also B. you and HK and c4 and who all else early on said "Michelle wolf" and left votes on her and I put weight on that. But y'all never explained much and now HK is dead and c4's peaced out so I was looking for people's further reads on her.