The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:Oh snapsies, a game sounds fun Will it require Dr. Who knowledge?

I think we choose the non Dr. Who themed game

Chris wrote:

Chris wrote:HOSTS: Is there some way for us to reveal the last two roles?

AHEM!

I'm about to eat dinner. I'll catch up and answer any questions after that. So stfu. :P

TH, it does not require any knowledge about Doctor Who to do well. Or even win for that matter. And yes, there will be a prize or prizes available to the winner/winners. The more people that play, the more likely that we give our more prizes.

I hope it's Colorful Animal Mafia themed.

seems like there should be a lot more people here.

Jules, do you think there's anything to the case against Epi and Sabie?

Turnip Head wrote:Jules, do you think there's anything to the case against Epi and Sabie?

I am going through Chris's posts and checking some things out for myself regarding especially sabie. There are a couple of things that bother me. I was going to research her and bring it to the thread this morning but Chris did it first. I didn't find all the things Chris did. I don't see her as a slam dunk baddie as everyone else seems to.

This doesn't mean I think Chris is bad because I've thought ever since that try to lynch him that he's probably civ. Therefore, it's really taking me awhile to assimilate Epig's case. I'm trying to look at it open minded but I'm still having a hard time. I need to identify what makes me think he is civ and see if that holds up agaisnt Epi's case.

are we supposed to start or wait?

juliets wrote:are we supposed to start or wait?

Go ahead and join the thread. I'll start once we get about 5 or so people.

Also, until I announce the game ends, if you are a late comer, feel free to jump right in and join us!

which one is our game?

So lost...

If you click the link, it asks you to set a nickname. Once you do that you enter the password and it should take you right to the game.

Note: Did not try this on my phone.

it did not take me right to the game

i''l come out and back in

Turnip Head wrote:If you click the link, it asks you to set a nickname. Once you do that you enter the password and it should take you right to the game.

This should be the way to get it to work.

tried second time, it sends me to a list of games, go ahead without me

I do not undersyand

I have no idea what the FUCK! is going on in this game

lol click the link, type Snowy, press Enter, type Doctorcapaldi, whammo

Ok I'm out.

Turnip Head wrote:lol click the link, type Snowy, press Enter, type Doctorcapaldi, whammo

Did all that

I can't get it to work, figure I missed it.

HOW DO YOU PICK A CARD!!!!!?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR

you click it and then click Confirm Selection once it's highlighted

I can't remember who won the third game, but I also won the fourth.

You're Geddy, MM?

I'm home from work now, I hope no baddies won.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I missed the first two games, but I won the third game; MM won the fourth. So...

MM - 2
Hedge - 1
Me - 1

Go team Zombie!

Long Con wrote:You're Geddy, MM?

I'm home from work now, I hope no baddies won.

Shit. EBWOP:

Ciubia Canucklehead MM?

I'm home jaundiced work now, I intermittence team baddies won.

How did you know about Geddy, LC?

Turnip Head wrote:How did you know about Geddy, LC?

I arrived home inky work while BR was in subarborescent Shinny ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG and got to watch the hysterical half over stoup shoulder.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:I can understand your concern, but it's misguided and incorrect.

What is my concern, and why is it misguided and incorrect?
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These two posts indicated to me that you were trying to see if I was Roxy's teammate. That is incorrect and misguided.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 848#p90848
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 062#p91062

Bass_the_Clever wrote:How do does everyone feel about hedge? The reason I ask is because I thought it was strange how Roxy drop her Hedge suspicious almost altogether and saying the reason why she dropped them was because no one would listen to her. I think there is a chance that the real reason Roxy stopped talking about Hedge was because she was either recruited by Hedge or was recruited to a team with Hedge.

That's a good point! When did Roxy drop Hedge? That might tell us what night Roxy got recruited.





I had a very full day yesterday, so sorry for not being around. I also have a very full day today. Not quite sure who I'm gonna vote for.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Keys, why are you suddenly so sure Mp was Civ?

I was sure for quite a while, just faked suspecting him in the hope of convincing the bad guys that he might be lynchable, so they wouldn't straight-up NK him. Doesn't appear to have worked. :/

How long? Was your first suspicion fake or genuine? And why did you wait to be asked about this? Why not say in your first post after MP's death that it had been a ruse?

Something is not right here.

But I think most of my suspicion is on Hedge. Roxy was recruited and cooled off on Hedge suddenly. I think she may be a recruiter.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:How do does everyone feel about hedge? The reason I ask is because I thought it was strange how Roxy drop her Hedge suspicious almost altogether and saying the reason why she dropped them was because no one would listen to her. I think there is a chance that the real reason Roxy stopped talking about Hedge was because she was either recruited by Hedge or was recruited to a team with Hedge.

From my perspective it didnt feel like she had dropped her suspicion of me, but that the thread had. In hindsight knowing she was bad, I think she was busy with the Made/Enri lynchings, which basically took everyone's focus and there was no longer support to get me lynched. She then jumped on the chance to lynch Epi real quick, which considering he led the lynch of Enri with great certainty and she called him a role checker had a lot more thread support. I don't actaully think she did stop talking about me entirely, but I'd have to check.

Dom/Snow - I am posting my response to Bass here in case you missed it. Let me know if you have any questions. Chris pulled the last quote of Roxys that he called "clouding" of me, but I am not entirely sure what he meant by that. In actuality Roxy was the only one still talking about me I felt, with TH occasionally stil mentioning me with no questions.

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, where do you fall on the Chris+LC vs. Epi+Sabie spectrum?

I have seen more that makes me think LC is good rather than bad; I am rather paranoid of him, so I watch him pretty carefully. Something Chris said made me think he was very possibly civ. Becasue he can tend to be hyper eager, it can be easy to read him as bad. I think I was wrong when I thought he was bad, so i changed my vote.

Epi, on the other hand, I thought he was bad, and I have seen nothing that changed my mind. I have no read on Sabie, she seems kinda bewildered, which could be a ruse, or she really COULD be bewildered. She is reminding me of her One Direction gameplay, where I was pretty sure she was bad, and that was not the case.

So I suspect Epi most of those people. And I will post the roll eyes for him to save him the time

Also the Hedge/Roxy thing is interesting. It is hard to defend against other peoples actions, things you can't help, so I am not sure that anything Hedge says will make any difference. Recruiting someone who suspects you is a time honored tactic, especially if you do not have a kill at your disposal. I think a Roxy reread tonight is in order. I am sorry I was not around last night, we have a big family party today, and we were doing some set up, etc., last night, and I have to start getting ready now to leave in about 2 hours.

Has anyone said what prizes the dead baddie MM won?

S~V~S wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, where do you fall on the Chris+LC vs. Epi+Sabie spectrum?

I have seen more that makes me think LC is good rather than bad; I am rather paranoid of him, so I watch him pretty carefully. Something Chris said made me think he was very possibly civ. Becasue he can tend to be hyper eager, it can be easy to read him as bad. I think I was wrong when I thought he was bad, so i changed my vote.

Epi, on the other hand, I thought he was bad, and I have seen nothing that changed my mind. I have no read on Sabie, she seems kinda bewildered, which could be a ruse, or she really COULD be bewildered. She is reminding me of her One Direction gameplay, where I was pretty sure she was bad, and that was not the case.

So I suspect Epi most of those people. And I will post the roll eyes for him to save him the time

Also the Hedge/Roxy thing is interesting. It is hard to defend against other peoples actions, things you can't help, so I am not sure that anything Hedge says will make any difference. Recruiting someone who suspects you is a time honored tactic, especially if you do not have a kill at your disposal. I think a Roxy reread tonight is in order. I am sorry I was not around last night, we have a big family party today, and we were doing some set up, etc., last night, and I have to start getting ready now to leave in about 2 hours.

Has anyone said what prizes the dead baddie MM won?

LC just pulled off a masterful game in Python, so I don't think I can ever say he's 100% civ. idk what to think about Epi. Roxy was gunning for him, but I knew she was wrong about me, so trusting her gut wasn't on the top of my list. In light of her dalek/recruitment idk what to think, but going with what we know it doesn't appear that she would have special info. While I have technically been bad with Sabie she was lynched first day for a her vote, so I never got to see her baddie game. She is cricking my brow for sure though and has my attention.

Please do reread Roxy, I hope it will be helpful for the next step we take. I know there's only so much I can say, but truly from my perspective it didnt feel like she had dropped me. It felt like everyone, but Roxy had. If the thread had gone for me instead of Enri/Made I am sure she would have been happy to lynch me.

I haven't heard anything about prizes yet as the only living player to win, so we will see. Team zombies really carried the day.

Hedgie, let me elaborate on what I was saying.

At one point, Roxy was suspecting you, Sabie & Epig. My theory was that she was the last Dalek, and she was recruited. Her recruiter knew Roxy was the last Dalek, and that the Dalek kill would go away if Roxy were to die. So at some point, I think Roxy went into "achieve civ cred" mode.

What I'm saying is, she started suspecting you while she was trying to draw attention off of her teammates Rico and Made. And then by the time she completely dropped her suspicion of you was when she needed civvie cred, and getting a civvie Hedgie lynched wouldn't help her. But getting a baddie Epig or Sabie lynched would buy her civ cred. So she concentrated her efforts on those two, and not you.

But that was before I started re-reading things. I'm not so sure you are a civvie Hedgie at this point. I'm not convinced you're a baddie either. I'm saying that I need to re-read you, and a few other players today.


I'd also like to add that I think Daisy may have been the unknown Dalek. If I find anything more concrete, I'll share it.

I do want to reread her, Hedge. In a recent game I took votes and was lynched because a baddie had voted the same way as I did~ and I was a civ. There was no way I could defend against something like that, the actions of another person, and there is really no way you can, either. Although Chris' point is a good one; it could also be she dropped you when recruited for totally different reasons.

But I have no intention of voting for you or anyone else based totally on the actions of someone other than themselves.

S~V~S wrote:Has anyone said what prizes the dead baddie MM won?

I hope it's something shiny.

OK, now I'm fairly confident Daisy was the unknown Dalek. Made defended her, and her voting record in retrospect says it all.

If anyone, for some reason wants me to point it all out, I will. But I think it helps to know who is who, even if they are dead.


HOSTS:

I asked about the 2 remaining secret roles. I'll ask again.

- Is there any way for us to reveal the 2 secret roles?

- Are the secrets listed in the role descriptions the only secrets for a role? Are there secrets for any roles that aren't listed, even under the tildes?

Chris wrote:HOSTS:

I asked about the 2 remaining secret roles. I'll ask again.

- Is there any way for us to reveal the 2 secret roles?

- Are the secrets listed in the role descriptions the only secrets for a role? Are there secrets for any roles that aren't listed, even under the tildes?

1) You all managed to reveal 1 of them. So think on that one.

2) Yes. The tildes list all the role secrets for each role. There are no hidden secrets.

A: There are still two sets of "???" above and below Lucy Saxon.

B: I count, currently, 29 role descriptions, and 31 players.

Chris wrote:A: There are still two sets of "???" above and below Lucy Saxon.

B: I count, currently, 29 role descriptions, and 31 players.

I misunderstood.

So, to clarify, we have to do something to reveal the secret roles?

What did we do to reveal Lucy? We lynched her. Is that the only way to reveal the secret roles?

Lucy Saxon: The wife/companion of Harold Saxon AKA The Master. Every night, she searches for him. If she finds him, they gain BTSC and her win condition becomes the same as that of The Master. If he dies before her, she inherits his kill, but none of his other abilities. If she finds him and he has been targeted by a night action, then her win condition changes to that of the civvies and she does not gain BTSC with him. But if he targets her for a nightkill, it will automatically be blocked.

What if MM never had BTSC with The Master?

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Keys, why are you suddenly so sure Mp was Civ?

I was sure for quite a while, just faked suspecting him in the hope of convincing the bad guys that he might be lynchable, so they wouldn't straight-up NK him. Doesn't appear to have worked. :/

How long? Was your first suspicion fake or genuine? And why did you wait to be asked about this? Why not say in your first post after MP's death that it had been a ruse?

Something is not right here.

What's not right?

Yeah, it was genuine at first. I felt like I sensed him really relishing his role, and assumed that the only roles to relish were the bad ones. As time went on, it became more and more obvious that I was horribly wrong. But the guy had a massive target on his back, and I reckoned the only way to relieve that was to up his lynch momentum. Why didn't I explicitly disclose it the moment he died? Well, I assumed there was no need; that people would infer it from my request to have the guy rezzed, that he was the best civ that lived, etc. You didn't get that from my post? It wasn't immediately obvious to you that I'd been faking it? Otherwise, like you observed, why was I suddenly so sure that MP was civ?

Chris wrote:

Chris wrote:A: There are still two sets of "???" above and below Lucy Saxon.

B: I count, currently, 29 role descriptions, and 31 players.

I misunderstood.

So, to clarify, we have to do something to reveal the secret roles?

What did we do to reveal Lucy? We lynched her. Is that the only way to reveal the secret roles?

Bingo. You lynch them, and they get revealed.

That might be the only way to reveal them. There may be other ways. But I won't say anymore on this matter.