The Syndicate

Okay Im confused now. What do you want me to explain Sloonei?

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Prisoner 920077 wrote:Sometimes a strong set of baddies can push a thread into new directions and make people forget pings. Since some of us are seeing the game with new eyes we aren't beholden to that. I strongly think Enrique/BoomsLang is bad and needs to be lynched.

I'm looking into this myself. Enrique's behavior was overly indignant, to the point of being dubious, in the aftermath of Fuzz flipping mafia. On that front I find myself agreeing with your suspicion. His voting behavior on Day 2 was straight up wrong, and after being shown that his only response was to insist that everyone responsible for the lynch was still ridiculous. This means to me that Enrique was either completely oblivious to the value of vote changes to a town team (he did whine about them for unknown reasons), or he was outwardly showing his frustration that what looked like a safe lynch arbitrarily fell onto his team mate at the last minute.

I'm feeling decent about that lynch option too. I'm going to compare his behavior here with what he referenced in Trees Mafia, where he also threw a freaking fit and then also his toys out the car window (as a townie). I'll see whether there are telling parallels.

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

Enrique in Tree Mafia

He was lynched as the cop. It made him angry. I don't think this individual likes receiving votes in general, and this makes twice that he essentially calls everyone who suspects him stupid directly or indirectly. I'm not here to criticize, I'm only drawing the meta comparison. In this case he really didn't provide a good reason that I can readily identify to town read him. My mind keeps returning to this post, which I think can be read at face value to decide whether he's a candidate:
Was he, in his frustrated state, waving his WIFOM around in plain sight? Or was this sarcasm indicative of his playing trait which shows him treating everyone who suspects him like idiots?

I don't struggle to lean toward the former.

sig wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

My instincts tell me you'd be a bad lynch. I don't know if I'm right about that, so let's chat. Who among the people who have called for your lynch do you feel is most likely to be capitalizing on an opportunity (resulting from your staunch defenses of Fuzz)?

sig wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

So you DON'T suggest Enrislang as an alternative to you?

I had something typed up, had to go back to work, came back to post, and it disappeared. FML.

ika wrote:in that case im voting draconous for now

im saddened that silver thinks my budding is scum. shes should knwo thats the nullest of null tells

Why?

I had a comment on DDL because he's being brought up as a lynch candidate: I feel good about him because of his actions surrounding the Fuzz situation.

Sig: I don't think Silver answered my question, but this to anyone who wants to answer. Why is Sig a suspect? I've read some of the more recent discussions surrounding him but I still don't know.

My wariness of Epignosis stems primarily from this:

Epignosis wrote:I am most suspicious of sig because of his frantic defense of Fuzz, his willingness to allege anybody and everybody, and accusing people for doing or saying things he himself has done and said.

I think this kind of thinking is more the type that most of the thread adopts in games while Epignosis focuses on less "obvious" or "easy" angles, something which he does a great job of as a civilian. He doesn't bite the low-hanging fruit. I could be wrong about sig, but my reads on these two right now are pretty intertwined.

Dropping a vote on Boomslang. I'm currently also open to a DDL vote, and perhaps a Scotty or Nero vote. I need to check back on their responses to my earlier queries/ISOs.

This is perhaps the most suspicious single post to emerge from the CFD sequence:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I don't like the idea of starting another wagon, when we already have 3, with less than an hour for the phase to end.

This is the PERFECT opportunity for scum to save each other if they need to.

If you don't like the current wagons then tough luck. Try to push another one earlier next day.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Point is: I'm more worried about the people currently on the wagons wanting a way out, than the ones outside of them who are not satisfied wanting to create a new one.

This is a direct contradiction of DDL's prior stated beef with a CFD. He said it was a "perfect time" for baddies to save their team mates, which is obviously a reference to players voting on the bandwagons and not the players being bandwagoned. I read this as an uneasy step-back from his staunch resistance to a CFD, particularly as the votes for Fuzz started to pile in. DDL is my top suspect.

Voting for Dragon D. Luffy now. His CFD behavior was really bad, and his interactions with Fuzz are also less than inspiring. This will make me the only vote on DDL right now, despite numerous people suspecting him to some degree. Why?

Question for other active players: how much stock are we putting into what the prisoners are saying? It seems to me that they're only going to be hre a short time. If that is the case, what is their motivation? Are there teams among them? I would expect that at least some of them are here to help, and in that case I think a fresh set of eyes on the events in the game can be a great thing. They might see things that we all overlooked.
For that reason I am willing to be on board with an Enrique/Boomslang lynch. I have not stopped reading him as bad since Day 2, but I admit I largely forgot he was even here until today, and now at least two prisoners are saying he looks bad as well, presumably without any bias.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

My instincts tell me you'd be a bad lynch. I don't know if I'm right about that, so let's chat. Who among the people who have called for your lynch do you feel is most likely to be capitalizing on an opportunity (resulting from your staunch defenses of Fuzz)?

Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Voting for Dragon D. Luffy now. His CFD behavior was really bad, and his interactions with Fuzz are also less than inspiring. This will make me the only vote on DDL right now, despite numerous people suspecting him to some degree. Why?

I've been reading him as town, but the above contradiction you bring up is something I want to see him reply too.

sig wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

My instincts tell me you'd be a bad lynch. I don't know if I'm right about that, so let's chat. Who among the people who have called for your lynch do you feel is most likely to be capitalizing on an opportunity (resulting from your staunch defenses of Fuzz)?

Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

is there anything besides my Matt vote that bothers you about me?

To question our motives is understandable. We're some kind of weird game mechanic personified, and it's an unusual circumstance. Still, to disregard our input would be a huge waste. I implore everyone to at least give us a fair chance, and if you disagree with our perspectives then that's fine.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Voting for Dragon D. Luffy now. His CFD behavior was really bad, and his interactions with Fuzz are also less than inspiring. This will make me the only vote on DDL right now, despite numerous people suspecting him to some degree. Why?

It's fair for you to believe that, but did you read my response to your points?

Oh nvm I didn't read the posts above. Give me some time. Sorry.

Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

sig wrote:Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

In my unique position as a prisoner, observing your situation, I've found myself more suspicious of Epignosis's treatment of you than Sloonei's. How do you feel about Epi? I need to look into Golden's, I do admit I wouldn't expect him to go for the typical "sig defended a bad guy" angle without a good reason. I don't know the full context of his argument though.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Point is: I'm more worried about the people currently on the wagons wanting a way out, than the ones outside of them who are not satisfied wanting to create a new one.

This is a direct contradiction of DDL's prior stated beef with a CFD. He said it was a "perfect time" for baddies to save their team mates, which is obviously a reference to players voting on the bandwagons and not the players being bandwagoned. I read this as an uneasy step-back from his staunch resistance to a CFD, particularly as the votes for Fuzz started to pile in. DDL is my top suspect.

Dude when I wrote that post, it has been 30 seconds since I had first heard of the idea of CFD.

My immediate reaction was to think of it as some slimy attempt at redirecting the lynch.

Then people started arguing with me and I understood where they were coming from, so I became a little more neutral on the idea. Yes I stepped back, because my idea of it went from "scummy counter-wagon" to "stupid plan".

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Also, did you read my response to your ISO?

Sloonei wrote:Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

Yeah, fuck the others.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also, did you read my response to your ISO?

Yes. It didn't really inspire me I guess. I don't see much evidence that the progression you're describing in your mindset regarding Fuzz was reflected in your efforts in this thread. The exchanges elapsed a few brief posts and was just very soft in general. I'm reminded of my own interactions with baddie team mates I've had in past games. It's rather textbook.

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

The validity of CFDs as a strategy was literally proven in this game. It happened. They're not always great, perhaps not even usually, but there's a time and a place.

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

If you'd voted for DDL then both he and Quin would be at 2 votes right now. Why's Quin more lynchable, and why should that matter with so much time remaining in the day phase? Anything can happen here, especially with a bunch of less-than-predictable prisoner votes in the mix.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new players who hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

In my unique position as a prisoner, observing your situation, I've found myself more suspicious of Epignosis's treatment of you than Sloonei's. How do you feel about Epi? I need to look into Golden's, I do admit I wouldn't expect him to go for the typical "sig defended a bad guy" angle without a good reason. I don't know the full context of his argument though.

I did find Epi pingy, his sudden interest in me and his avoidance of all major wagons until last phase seems weird. However, I have a very hard time reading Epi so I could be wrong.

@Sloonie yes that is my reasoning for why you could be bad.

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

I hope I didn't miss the opportunity to cast a vote. Are we lynching sig or ika?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Point is: I'm more worried about the people currently on the wagons wanting a way out, than the ones outside of them who are not satisfied wanting to create a new one.

This is a direct contradiction of DDL's prior stated beef with a CFD. He said it was a "perfect time" for baddies to save their team mates, which is obviously a reference to players voting on the bandwagons and not the players being bandwagoned. I read this as an uneasy step-back from his staunch resistance to a CFD, particularly as the votes for Fuzz started to pile in. DDL is my top suspect.

Dude when I wrote that post, it has been 30 seconds since I had first heard of the idea of CFD.

My immediate reaction was to think of it as some slimy attempt at redirecting the lynch.

Then people started arguing with me and I understood where they were coming from, so I became a little more neutral on the idea. Yes I stepped back, because my idea of it went from "scummy counter-wagon" to "stupid plan".

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Also, did you read my response to your ISO?

But those two posts were 6 minutes apart, and this was your only post in between: Who or what changed your mind in those couple of minutes?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new playerswho hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

Technically, a few of them have played with you before.

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

It means that I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting enough votes on Dragon to lynch him, but people are more sympathetic to a Quin lynch. Since I suspect both of them, I will go for the easier kill.

Warden wrote:I hope I didn't miss the opportunity to cast a vote. Are we lynching sig or ika?

WHAT

How can you vote as well?!

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

Yeah, fuck the others.

Ew, don't speak to me.

thellama73 wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

It means that I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting enough votes on Dragon to lynch him, but people are more sympathetic to a Quin lynch. Since I suspect both of them, I will go for the easier kill.

There's no chance, like... ever? Shouldn't you... convince others to vote the person you'd like to lynch?

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

Yeah, fuck the others.

Ew, don't speak to me.

What dideth I doeth wrong by thee?

Sloonei wrote:Who or what changed your mind in those couple of minutes?

Understanding of what was going on. The people who were arguing with me warmed me up to the idea.

That's another reason I'm skeptical about CFDs. The premise is that players who are bad tend to react badly to it. Well, I'll go ahead and say that everybody who has never heard of them before has a good chance of reacting badly to it. So it might work on a heavily method-based community like RYM where people use those things on a regular basis, but here those things scare people off.

I saw a flash counter-wagon happening and my first reaction was to yell at people to stop.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new players who hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

I'm not asking you to reproduce any responses. I honestly don't believe you. I think you're holding steadfast to a perspective you espoused prior to the CFD, and then you felt like you had to stick to your guns after the fact to alleviate the bad looks it'd produce. To think it was "a stupid plan" after the results it produced is frankly nonsense and I don't think you really believe that.

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

It means that I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting enough votes on Dragon to lynch him, but people are more sympathetic to a Quin lynch. Since I suspect both of them, I will go for the easier kill.

There's no chance, like... ever? Shouldn't you... convince others to vote the person you'd like to lynch?

I've been trying to do that for the entire game. There comes a time when you have to take the victory you can get over the one you want.

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new playerswho hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

Technically, a few of them have played with you before.

I mean during the game. And also the whole game.

If you were lynched during day 1 and has no idea what has been happening since them, you have a more limited idea of me.

Anyway, votes are changeable. If people start agreeing with me on Dragon, I will move there.

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Warden wrote:I hope I didn't miss the opportunity to cast a vote. Are we lynching sig or ika?

WHAT

How can you vote as well?!

This might actually work to our advantage.

I'm assuming whoever the warden is can't vote as both the sock warden and the real player. So we can limit who the warden might be based on which named players don't vote today.

Everyone should vote.