Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

yeah no, i would rather lynch you or sloonei than mac.

I'll be paying Sloonei a critical eye today.

[MacDougall]

BTW I don't think Jay is mafia

[Seanzie]

I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Actv, you're here!

Tell me about your night!

Uneventful — just watched some Golden Girls haha

I didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.

[MacDougall]

Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.

yeah no, i would rather lynch you or sloonei than mac.

I'll be paying Sloonei a critical eye today.

and I will be paying him a wandering eye

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.

Not a fruit vendor. Gift giver. Hands out useful stuff.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also @Kito glad you could play, you seem like you'd be a fun and infuriating opponent to have.

[Actvscenei]

I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Actv, you're here!

Tell me about your night!

Uneventful — just watched some Golden Girls haha

I didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.

Why does Kito matter?? Lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story

and since I am Jay you know what that means

Were you not already cleared

[Seanzie]

I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Actv, you're here!

Tell me about your night!

Uneventful — just watched some Golden Girls haha

I didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.

Why does Kito matter?? Lol

Do I have to spell it out for you? I know what you did last night.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is that a red check

[MacDougall]

This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story

and since I am Jay you know what that means

Were you not already cleared

you had a Jay check on me and didn't say anything?

[Actvscenei]

I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.

Actv, you're here!

Tell me about your night!

Uneventful — just watched some Golden Girls haha

I didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.

Why does Kito matter?? Lol

Do I have to spell it out for you? I know what you did last night.

I literally did nothing

[MartinGG99]

Anyone:

Why is hawkataine town?

Their entrance gave me the impression of being disorganized in a non-wolfy way, such as mentioning that they forgot their town-leans.

They also had similar thoughts as I (though not same reasons) on tangrowth.

However, I haven't found anything positive on them being town as of late. I was mildly disturbed when Hawk last quoted me awhile ago:

Anyways I'm caught up, but I think I should re-read some of the last 10 pages tbh since I didn't really feel much progress or inspiration.

Though I would like to know if anyone here could give me a good descriptor of Belzy in general. Or a comparison to another player like them.

Also I'm not sure how to feel about Seanzie's recent jump-in but presuming none of the players who responded to him are mafia I wanna say he's likely town.

I think this is probably a good post that I like? Evaluating Seanzie's alignment dependent on other people seems like a townie idea to have. This is incredibly weak but whatever.
Update: after I finished the thread I came back to write comments and I'm actually more tempted to lean the other way with this. It's strange to imply that seanzie could be teamed with some of these players but not that he could be town while they're mafia? I can't quite describe exactly why this upsets me lol

It felt cheap, but I wasn't entirely sure if this was town just not thinking intuitively or a wolf performance in order to shade. I mean, I've done or thought stupid things myself before.

They also called it incredibly weak but kept on thinking about it with an "update". For which they don't do an "update" for the rest of the original post from where this is quoted from.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

oprahredcheck.gif

[Guillotine]

Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.

Not a fruit vendor. Gift giver. Hands out useful stuff.

Useful stuff? Are you making shit up? I got chocolates from him and can't do anything with them except getting metaphorical heartburn.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Seanzie with another red check what a game lol

[lost monkey]

Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.

Not a fruit vendor. Gift giver. Hands out useful stuff.

Useful stuff? Are you making shit up? I got chocolates from him and can't do anything with them except getting metaphorical heartburn.

You should read what kito was saying and what he was making out the role to be.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story

and since I am Jay you know what that means

Were you not already cleared

you had a Jay check on me and didn't say anything?

I was letting it play out

[orangecrush]

my scum read on hawk is similar to my read on gnome btw i dont think they have been able to successfully generate genuine content and are leaning on things like flavor and in hawks case picking on obvious jokes trying to shade them

as for macdougal for those that were playing the last game on mafia cafe he is giving me solvis vibes, i was able to get solvis easily because of his annoying approach to the thread which seemed to be an attempt at derailing actual town activity from taking place.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to be away much of this evening driving. To Do List:

~ Shore up interactive reviews with Owner and any nutella stragglers
~ Take a magnifying glass to Sloonei
~ Tunnel hawkataine
~ Shrug contentedly as Actvscenei gets the business for a bit

[Guillotine]

I wanna ask the healer to not heal LongCon. We need to solve that slot

[Made]

Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.

The whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose Gavial

Made grew bored of his gimmick and decided to only use it when he could come up with a funny joke related to it

I see it, but like also how did you survive? What did you and Gavial talk about that got you to convince him that you were town?

[Seanzie]

I'm going to be away much of this evening driving. To Do List:

~ Shore up interactive reviews with Owner and any nutella stragglers
~ Take a magnifying glass to Sloonei
~ Tunnel hawkataine
~ Shrug contentedly as Actvscenei gets the business for a bit

You should probably vote Actv before you go though.

[Actvscenei]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to be away much of this evening driving. To Do List:

~ Shore up interactive reviews with Owner and any nutella stragglers
~ Take a magnifying glass to Sloonei
~ Tunnel hawkataine
~ Shrug contentedly as Actvscenei gets the business for a bit

You should probably vote Actv before you go though.

Plenty of time. Ima let it play it out.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.

[Made]

I haven't been playing too close attention. Do we know why no one died N1?

[Seanzie]

I haven't been playing too close attention. Do we know why no one died N1?

Gav blocked Hawk N1, so that is kind of the leading theory.

[MartinGG99]

I haven't been playing too close attention. Do we know why no one died N1?

Public theory based on Gaival is that Hawk got role-blocked on night 1 carrying the kill

idk if there's any other unless there's doctors or something

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.

The whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose Gavial

Made grew bored of his gimmick and decided to only use it when he could come up with a funny joke related to it

I see it, but like also how did you survive? What did you and Gavial talk about that got you to convince him that you were town?

Gavial knew just like I did what the circumstances of our date were. It was clear to both of us that mafia weren't putting one of their own in there. So the discussion instead became about roles and their status, ability to convince other people of things, and likelihood of others to believe us when we told the truth.

[MacDougall]

my scum read on hawk is similar to my read on gnome btw i dont think they have been able to successfully generate genuine content and are leaning on things like flavor and in hawks case picking on obvious jokes trying to shade them

as for macdougal for those that were playing the last game on mafia cafe he is giving me solvis vibes, i was able to get solvis easily because of his annoying approach to the thread which seemed to be an attempt at derailing actual town activity from taking place.

bruh

[MacDougall]

im lack claire

[Garden Gnome]

i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making

Can you explain why you are scum reading me?

my read on you came late into where i am currently at and was because i had been able to look at a lot of content and form reads from it but you seemed to still not be doing this and leaning into flavor and it felt like you were using it a as a wawy to generate content to me

Are you still on day one stuff? If so, yes, I understand how you would get that read because I was completely confused. My day one content was not good. Also, I was literally having trouble reading the comments and, by day two, I just zoomed in a little more to get rid of that "I can't see the words" issue. If you read my comments on day two, I think that you'll see an improvement in content.

[Seanzie]

@MacDougall Have you ever played with Gnome prior to this game?

[Garden Gnome]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Why are you voting Act?

[Actvscenei]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.

Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.

[Made]

I haven't been playing too close attention. Do we know why no one died N1?

Gav blocked Hawk N1, so that is kind of the leading theory.

Do we know the gav wasn't being gav or did he straight up claim "Yeah I blocked"

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Why are you voting Act?

She killed Kito. You should vote her too.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.

Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.

Well, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I haven't been playing too close attention. Do we know why no one died N1?

Gav blocked Hawk N1, so that is kind of the leading theory.

Do we know the gav wasn't being gav or did he straight up claim "Yeah I blocked"

Straight claim

[Guillotine]

Well, if Gavial sacrificed himself for JJJ and we are 100% convinced JJJ is town, we should at least sheep Gavial's redcheck.

[VOTE: HAWK] aubergine

[Actvscenei]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.

Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.

Well, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.

What if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.

[Made]

Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.

The whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose Gavial

Made grew bored of his gimmick and decided to only use it when he could come up with a funny joke related to it

I see it, but like also how did you survive? What did you and Gavial talk about that got you to convince him that you were town?

Gavial knew just like I did what the circumstances of our date were. It was clear to both of us that mafia weren't putting one of their own in there. So the discussion instead became about roles and their status, ability to convince other people of things, and likelihood of others to believe us when we told the truth.

I see it, but you were aware enough of the AIM discussion to know how powerful BTSC can be to fuck around with reads. And I trust ur a good enough player to play that game. I don't really scum read you otherwise, but I don't see how this is clearing for you

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.

Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.

Well, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.

What if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.

Scum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.

[orangecrush]

Who?

That's... what I'm trying to sort.

Let me know when you do please.

I do not understand your posture here.

What dont youunderstand?

You have come off as unnecessarily combative in this exchange.

Because i had scumread Dana for her being nervous comment and JJJ mentioned that a push for that can only come from mafia, im mot mafia so I debunked it.

i noted this as my reasoning for my town read of Dana in my notes. I find it hard to believe that saying your nervous is ever something scum would do lol because they are more liekyl to deeply consider the emotion they are prtraying in the thread, and being nervous is not something i aowuld expect a scum player to want to portray. so therefore i think the being nervous was more likely to be a genuine thought. basically i think if it was not genuine it would make them scum, but more importantly they wouldn't have said it, ever

do you really believe scum dana would come into the thread and say that they are nervous

i kow myo thought seems counter intuitive but i trust myself with nuanced reads like this so i treally believe that they are town

[hawkataine]

Well this is the worst day start I could have possibly imagined

You’d think I was having a good game given that I’ve correctly read everyone who’s flipped so far (except gav but I honestly don’t remember if that was a scum read or an annoyance read), successfully baited owner into outing herself at EoD1 (disagree if you want, this was my intention and it worked), saved Alison (who I really hope is town), and set up an elaborate plan to get the poisoner to target the PoE

And yet (and we’re going for a sort of mirror effect for the next paragraph)

I can’t claim 2-shot healer anymore because Martin has claimed 1-shot and we’ve established there are probably role duplicates. I didn’t actually save Alison, I instead wasted my shot (I knew this would happen but what are you gonna do). My EoD1 vote has everyone wanting my blood despite it being the laziest attempt to save Nutella I would have never come up with. My accurate reads are pretty much worthless because Kito and belzy are both dead, along with Nutella and owner, except fuckin’ everybody also scum read those guys so I don’t even have that going for me.

And that’s not all

Because gavial roleblocked me, someone with a goddamn day action, on N1, the same night there was no kill. Kito, who can actually read me, is dead. Sonny, who I wanted to interrogate today about things he’s said, has repped out (hope you’re okay tho).

So like now what

All I can really do is ask everyone voting me to read my posts and think about whether I’m actually teamed with Nutella and owner. Okay, I’m a player who tends to hedge a bit and allow people the benefit of the doubt when a) I don’t know them or b) they haven’t been around much. Oh hey, look at that, both apply here, that’s my luck this game. If it helps anybody see the light, here are some things I definitely don’t do if I’m on a team with Nutella and owner:
- That terrible made vote with no explanation
- Carry the kill N1 after a terrible EoD
- Come in at start of D2 and say “oh hey I caught owner” and then not draw any attention to how hard I’m scum reading her
- State that I could clear myself today yesterday (this was gonna be a ‘hey look Alison survived’ kinda deal)
- Kill Kito (I miss you </3)

Anyway, I’m gonna spend tonight playing betrayal with my flatmates because I’ve honestly never felt this demotivated as town in my life (not anybody’s fault, just a ridiculously terrible combination of factors). I’ll try to come back tomorrow and be useful.

[Actvscenei]

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.

Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.

Well, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.

What if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.

Scum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.

I’m not scum. And I didn’t do shit last night so idk man, but from where I’m standing either you were given wrong information or you’re straight up lying.

[MacDougall]

Well this is the worst day start I could have possibly imagined

You’d think I was having a good game given that I’ve correctly read everyone who’s flipped so far (except gav but I honestly don’t remember if that was a scum read or an annoyance read), successfully baited owner into outing herself at EoD1 (disagree if you want, this was my intention and it worked), saved Alison (who I really hope is town), and set up an elaborate plan to get the poisoner to target the PoE

And yet (and we’re going for a sort of mirror effect for the next paragraph)

I can’t claim 2-shot healer anymore because Martin has claimed 1-shot and we’ve established there are probably role duplicates. I didn’t actually save Alison, I instead wasted my shot (I knew this would happen but what are you gonna do). My EoD1 vote has everyone wanting my blood despite it being the laziest attempt to save Nutella I would have never come up with. My accurate reads are pretty much worthless because Kito and belzy are both dead, along with Nutella and owner, except fuckin’ everybody also scum read those guys so I don’t even have that going for me.

And that’s not all

Because gavial roleblocked me, someone with a goddamn day action, on N1, the same night there was no kill. Kito, who can actually read me, is dead. Sonny, who I wanted to interrogate today about things he’s said, has repped out (hope you’re okay tho).

So like now what

All I can really do is ask everyone voting me to read my posts and think about whether I’m actually teamed with Nutella and owner. Okay, I’m a player who tends to hedge a bit and allow people the benefit of the doubt when a) I don’t know them or b) they haven’t been around much. Oh hey, look at that, both apply here, that’s my luck this game. If it helps anybody see the light, here are some things I definitely don’t do if I’m on a team with Nutella and owner:
- That terrible made vote with no explanation
- Carry the kill N1 after a terrible EoD
- Come in at start of D2 and say “oh hey I caught owner” and then not draw any attention to how hard I’m scum reading her
- State that I could clear myself today yesterday (this was gonna be a ‘hey look Alison survived’ kinda deal)
- Kill Kito (I miss you </3)

Anyway, I’m gonna spend tonight playing betrayal with my flatmates because I’ve honestly never felt this demotivated as town in my life (not anybody’s fault, just a ridiculously terrible combination of factors). I’ll try to come back tomorrow and be useful.

you are fake news lady

[Guillotine]

That's... what I'm trying to sort.

Let me know when you do please.

I do not understand your posture here.

What dont youunderstand?

You have come off as unnecessarily combative in this exchange.

Because i had scumread Dana for her being nervous comment and JJJ mentioned that a push for that can only come from mafia, im mot mafia so I debunked it.

i noted this as my reasoning for my town read of Dana in my notes. I find it hard to believe that saying your nervous is ever something scum would do lol because they are more liekyl to deeply consider the emotion they are prtraying in the thread, and being nervous is not something i aowuld expect a scum player to want to portray. so therefore i think the being nervous was more likely to be a genuine thought. basically i think if it was not genuine it would make them scum, but more importantly they wouldn't have said it, ever

do you really believe scum dana would come into the thread and say that they are nervous

i kow myo thought seems counter intuitive but i trust myself with nuanced reads like this so i treally believe that they are town

Yes I would, Nutella question me the same way as you and she flipped mafia.

Why scum!Dana would say she is nervous in the thread?

1) She is a newbie
2) She randed mafia
3) She is actually nervous
4) Confessing it would kind of pocket us as we give her sympathy. I've played the noob card before as scum, I won that game.