Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I'll be paying Sloonei a critical eye today.lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pmyeah no, i would rather lynch you or sloonei than mac.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.
I didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pmUneventful — just watched some Golden Girls hahaSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pmActv, you're here!Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.
Tell me about your night!
and I will be paying him a wandering eyeJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:49 pmI'll be paying Sloonei a critical eye today.lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pmyeah no, i would rather lynch you or sloonei than mac.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also the Gavial/JJJ date idea sounds very Mac to me.
Not a fruit vendor. Gift giver. Hands out useful stuff.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.
Why does Kito matter?? LolSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:49 pmI didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pmUneventful — just watched some Golden Girls hahaSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pmActv, you're here!Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.
Tell me about your night!
Were you not already clearedMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pmand since I am Jay you know what that meansNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pm This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story
Do I have to spell it out for you? I know what you did last night.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pmWhy does Kito matter?? LolSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:49 pmI didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pmUneventful — just watched some Golden Girls hahaSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pmActv, you're here!Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.
Tell me about your night!
you had a Jay check on me and didn't say anything?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pmWere you not already clearedMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pmand since I am Jay you know what that meansNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pm This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story
I literally did nothingSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:53 pmDo I have to spell it out for you? I know what you did last night.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pmWhy does Kito matter?? LolSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:49 pmI didn't think Kito would be into Golden Girls, but people will surprise you.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:48 pmUneventful — just watched some Golden Girls hahaSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pmActv, you're here!Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm I mean, what happened aligns with my theory that one of them was coming out of there dead. I just happened to think Gavial was the scum. When Owner flipped Cupid, it all but confirmed she was the one who set the date up. The fact that Cupid was mafia aligned makes sense that someone came out dead. I had an idea that the action would be like Guillo’s torturer/neighborizer role, but wondered how it would work when an outside party connected two others. What Jay is suggesting makes sense to me. Logically, it clears. At least in my mind.
Tell me about your night!
Their entrance gave me the impression of being disorganized in a non-wolfy way, such as mentioning that they forgot their town-leans.
It felt cheap, but I wasn't entirely sure if this was town just not thinking intuitively or a wolf performance in order to shade. I mean, I've done or thought stupid things myself before.hawkataine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:59 amI think this is probably a good post that I like? Evaluating Seanzie's alignment dependent on other people seems like a townie idea to have. This is incredibly weak but whatever.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:36 pm Anyways I'm caught up, but I think I should re-read some of the last 10 pages tbh since I didn't really feel much progress or inspiration.
Though I would like to know if anyone here could give me a good descriptor of Belzy in general. Or a comparison to another player like them.
Also I'm not sure how to feel about Seanzie's recent jump-in but presuming none of the players who responded to him are mafia I wanna say he's likely town.
Update: after I finished the thread I came back to write comments and I'm actually more tempted to lean the other way with this. It's strange to imply that seanzie could be teamed with some of these players but not that he could be town while they're mafia? I can't quite describe exactly why this upsets me lol
Useful stuff? Are you making shit up? I got chocolates from him and can't do anything with them except getting metaphorical heartburn.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pmNot a fruit vendor. Gift giver. Hands out useful stuff.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.
You should read what kito was saying and what he was making out the role to be.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:55 pmUseful stuff? Are you making shit up? I got chocolates from him and can't do anything with them except getting metaphorical heartburn.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pmNot a fruit vendor. Gift giver. Hands out useful stuff.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pm Also we have to look at why Kito, a fruit vendor is dead. What reads did he pass that mafia felt it was a threat.
I was letting it play outMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:54 pmyou had a Jay check on me and didn't say anything?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:51 pmWere you not already clearedMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pmand since I am Jay you know what that meansNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:45 pm This is a really pointless and actively harmful discussion at this point, Jay is town, end of story
Made grew bored of his gimmick and decided to only use it when he could come up with a funny joke related to itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
I see it, but like also how did you survive? What did you and Gavial talk about that got you to convince him that you were town?
You should probably vote Actv before you go though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:58 pm I'm going to be away much of this evening driving. To Do List:
~ Shore up interactive reviews with Owner and any nutella stragglers
~ Take a magnifying glass to Sloonei
~ Tunnel hawkataine
~ Shrug contentedly as Actvscenei gets the business for a bit
Plenty of time. Ima let it play it out.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:59 pmYou should probably vote Actv before you go though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:58 pm I'm going to be away much of this evening driving. To Do List:
~ Shore up interactive reviews with Owner and any nutella stragglers
~ Take a magnifying glass to Sloonei
~ Tunnel hawkataine
~ Shrug contentedly as Actvscenei gets the business for a bit
It's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:00 pmWtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.
Gavial knew just like I did what the circumstances of our date were. It was clear to both of us that mafia weren't putting one of their own in there. So the discussion instead became about roles and their status, ability to convince other people of things, and likelihood of others to believe us when we told the truth.Made wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:59 pmMade grew bored of his gimmick and decided to only use it when he could come up with a funny joke related to itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
I see it, but like also how did you survive? What did you and Gavial talk about that got you to convince him that you were town?
bruhorangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:58 pm my scum read on hawk is similar to my read on gnome btw i dont think they have been able to successfully generate genuine content and are leaning on things like flavor and in hawks case picking on obvious jokes trying to shade them
as for macdougal for those that were playing the last game on mafia cafe he is giving me solvis vibes, i was able to get solvis easily because of his annoying approach to the thread which seemed to be an attempt at derailing actual town activity from taking place.
Are you still on day one stuff? If so, yes, I understand how you would get that read because I was completely confused. My day one content was not good. Also, I was literally having trouble reading the comments and, by day two, I just zoomed in a little more to get rid of that "I can't see the words" issue. If you read my comments on day two, I think that you'll see an improvement in content.orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:36 pmmy read on you came late into where i am currently at and was because i had been able to look at a lot of content and form reads from it but you seemed to still not be doing this and leaning into flavor and it felt like you were using it a as a wawy to generate content to meGarden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pmCan you explain why you are scum reading me?orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage
im about 25 pages in i think
by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making
Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:01 pmIt's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:00 pmWtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.
She killed Kito. You should vote her too.
Well, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:06 pmUnless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:01 pmIt's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:00 pmWtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.
What if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:09 pmWell, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:06 pmUnless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:01 pmIt's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:00 pmWtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.
I see it, but you were aware enough of the AIM discussion to know how powerful BTSC can be to fuck around with reads. And I trust ur a good enough player to play that game. I don't really scum read you otherwise, but I don't see how this is clearing for youJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:03 pmGavial knew just like I did what the circumstances of our date were. It was clear to both of us that mafia weren't putting one of their own in there. So the discussion instead became about roles and their status, ability to convince other people of things, and likelihood of others to believe us when we told the truth.Made wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:59 pmMade grew bored of his gimmick and decided to only use it when he could come up with a funny joke related to itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
I see it, but like also how did you survive? What did you and Gavial talk about that got you to convince him that you were town?
Scum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:11 pmWhat if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:09 pmWell, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:06 pmUnless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:01 pmIt's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:00 pmWtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.
i noted this as my reasoning for my town read of Dana in my notes. I find it hard to believe that saying your nervous is ever something scum would do lol because they are more liekyl to deeply consider the emotion they are prtraying in the thread, and being nervous is not something i aowuld expect a scum player to want to portray. so therefore i think the being nervous was more likely to be a genuine thought. basically i think if it was not genuine it would make them scum, but more importantly they wouldn't have said it, everGuillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:11 pmBecause i had scumread Dana for her being nervous comment and JJJ mentioned that a push for that can only come from mafia, im mot mafia so I debunked it.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:09 pmYou have come off as unnecessarily combative in this exchange.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:08 pmWhat dont youunderstand?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:53 pmI do not understand your posture here.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:51 pmLet me know when you do please.
I’m not scum. And I didn’t do shit last night so idk man, but from where I’m standing either you were given wrong information or you’re straight up lying.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:13 pmScum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:11 pmWhat if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:09 pmWell, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:06 pmUnless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:01 pmIt's funny, I actually made you "trend up" on my legacy reads because I wanted to see if the wolves would take the bait and let you carry the kill, assuming they didn't kill me. Did this factor into your decisions in wolf chat? I'm genuinely curious.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:00 pmWtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.
you are fake news ladyhawkataine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:14 pm Well this is the worst day start I could have possibly imagined
You’d think I was having a good game given that I’ve correctly read everyone who’s flipped so far (except gav but I honestly don’t remember if that was a scum read or an annoyance read), successfully baited owner into outing herself at EoD1 (disagree if you want, this was my intention and it worked), saved Alison (who I really hope is town), and set up an elaborate plan to get the poisoner to target the PoE
And yet (and we’re going for a sort of mirror effect for the next paragraph)
I can’t claim 2-shot healer anymore because Martin has claimed 1-shot and we’ve established there are probably role duplicates. I didn’t actually save Alison, I instead wasted my shot (I knew this would happen but what are you gonna do). My EoD1 vote has everyone wanting my blood despite it being the laziest attempt to save Nutella I would have never come up with. My accurate reads are pretty much worthless because Kito and belzy are both dead, along with Nutella and owner, except fuckin’ everybody also scum read those guys so I don’t even have that going for me.
And that’s not all
Because gavial roleblocked me, someone with a goddamn day action, on N1, the same night there was no kill. Kito, who can actually read me, is dead. Sonny, who I wanted to interrogate today about things he’s said, has repped out (hope you’re okay tho).
So like now what
All I can really do is ask everyone voting me to read my posts and think about whether I’m actually teamed with Nutella and owner. Okay, I’m a player who tends to hedge a bit and allow people the benefit of the doubt when a) I don’t know them or b) they haven’t been around much. Oh hey, look at that, both apply here, that’s my luck this game. If it helps anybody see the light, here are some things I definitely don’t do if I’m on a team with Nutella and owner:
- That terrible made vote with no explanation
- Carry the kill N1 after a terrible EoD
- Come in at start of D2 and say “oh hey I caught owner” and then not draw any attention to how hard I’m scum reading her
- State that I could clear myself today yesterday (this was gonna be a ‘hey look Alison survived’ kinda deal)
- Kill Kito (I miss you </3)
Anyway, I’m gonna spend tonight playing betrayal with my flatmates because I’ve honestly never felt this demotivated as town in my life (not anybody’s fault, just a ridiculously terrible combination of factors). I’ll try to come back tomorrow and be useful.
Yes I would, Nutella question me the same way as you and she flipped mafia.orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:14 pmi noted this as my reasoning for my town read of Dana in my notes. I find it hard to believe that saying your nervous is ever something scum would do lol because they are more liekyl to deeply consider the emotion they are prtraying in the thread, and being nervous is not something i aowuld expect a scum player to want to portray. so therefore i think the being nervous was more likely to be a genuine thought. basically i think if it was not genuine it would make them scum, but more importantly they wouldn't have said it, everGuillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:11 pmBecause i had scumread Dana for her being nervous comment and JJJ mentioned that a push for that can only come from mafia, im mot mafia so I debunked it.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:09 pmYou have come off as unnecessarily combative in this exchange.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:08 pmWhat dont youunderstand?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:53 pmI do not understand your posture here.
do you really believe scum dana would come into the thread and say that they are nervous
i kow myo thought seems counter intuitive but i trust myself with nuanced reads like this so i treally believe that they are town