The Syndicate

I'm still not seeing the connection between MM's alignment and SVS being targeted. Everyone is so vague lately.

And to answer your question, SVS: I, for one, am starting to wonder about Golden. The fact that he apparently hasn't been targeted by Team Webber at all this game despite being the most vocal and civvie-seeming player (aside from Sloonei) does give me pause. Also the fact that he keeps going after me.

If anyone has a solid reason for Golden being civvie besides "I just know" that would be great. Because I can't think of anything, and it's legitimately frustrating me that I've assumed he's civ for so long without even knowing why.

DFaraday wrote:I'm still not seeing the connection between MM's alignment and SVS being targeted. Everyone is so vague lately.

And to answer your question, SVS: I, for one, am starting to wonder about Golden. The fact that he apparently hasn't been targeted by Team Webber at all this game despite being the most vocal and civvie-seeming player (aside from Sloonei) does give me pause. Also the fact that he keeps going after me.

Once again, a theory that has been raised by many people over and over and over again which I've defended myself of again and again and again.

Explain why I was the person who completely unmasked TGG's gambit. I wouldn't merely have bussed him and g-man, I would have been going out of my way to draw the entire thread's attention to things that they didn't really need to be drawn to.

There are also others here - particularly splints and MM - who are able to verify that the timing of me going after TGG was exactly aligned to my finding out about non-in-thread stuff about him. It wasn't some charade - it was me full on busting someone.

The reason I am not legitimately considered to be on team webber is because of the clear lengths I went to early in the game to bust them. You can read back and think about it for yourself.

What do you mean, "Non in thread stuff"?

S~V~S wrote:What do you mean, "Non in thread stuff"?

He is talking about TGG's issue with dead players replacing back in, and how he posted on jtm about it. I can vouch that this did come up elsewhere as well (in the ambassador chat. Not specifics to this game, but that our policies of replacing back in were being discussed elsewhere. I think it's important as ambassadors to be aware of how other communities view us as well. )
However I'm not sure that this necessarily clears Golden like he is saying. TGG clearly had internet issues AND another issue with the replacement thing. His teammates would have known that and could have wanted to distance from him early. I don't think this is necessarily the case with Golden, but worth considering.

I could have sworn TGG had started a thread in the lounge about this topic, but I don't see it. Maybe I am thinking of the JTM one. But Golden probably would not have seen that.

Popping in before I'm out for the night (might be back much, much, much later, depending on how tired I am after cocktails).

MM raises a good point about Golden and Sloonei not being NK'ed. It makes my paranoia sense tingle. I do think Golden is good based on the previous NK attempt and his recent (repeated) defenses. Sloonei already had an attempt on his life and a successful death (that sounds awful!), so maybe they're playing it safe, provided he's still civ? But good question - why are they still alive if they're such good civs? I could be paranoid all day with all of it. I probably will be. But not paranoid enough to vote for either of them. I ramble.

Anyway, I need to vote now, because I need to eat and get myself ready for shenanigans. I'm going with splints again. I think I've explained why many times.

Cheers, everyone!

Voting DF because I feel thats the right way to go.

I cannot say why I am not dead, but it is not because I am bad. At minimum, there is a team you know I am not on that has chosen to kill people like Canuck and JJ ahead of me or sloonei. I don't think anyone who has been NKed or subject to a NK attempt could be considered to be a bad civ. In fact, I think everyone who is active and left alive is a good civ.

I will admit I've considered the possibility that I'm still alive because I'm wrong about who is bad (which is probably the best reason not to NK me). But I've been over my spreadsheets again and again and I just really believe DF is bad.

I just don't see DF trying to kill me, though. There would be no profit in it for him. He did not even try to use it as a hook.

I think I am going to vote for Golden, becasue I DO see him killing me.

Hrm, not changeable votes and a few hours to go. I can hold off on that and see how the cookie crumbles.

S~V~S wrote:I just don't see DF trying to kill me, though. There would be no profit in it for him. He did not even try to use it as a hook.

I think I am going to vote for Golden, becasue I DO see him killing me.

I would too

But not ahead of confirmed townies like sloonei. And why would I rezz sloonei - and again, there is plenty of proof that I am not bad.

And more than anything, above all, you are the person who I think is best placed to read the thread and understand my own role hints.

Not only do I not look for role hints; I tend to ignore them if i do see them. Too easy to misinterpret, and to fake. I wont go so far as to say i think role hints are the Devil, but i do think they are just a wee tad demonic. Just a tad.

I hope everyone weighs in tonight.

S~V~S wrote:Not only do I not look for role hints; I tend to ignore them if i do see them. Too easy to misinterpret, and to fake. I wont go so far as to say i think role hints are the Devil, but i do think they are just a wee tad demonic. Just a tad.

I hope everyone weighs in tonight.

Yeah, I do understand this is your perspective and there is nothing I can really do about that.

The most users ever online is right now.

I would feel alright about lynching Golden, but I'll hold off on my vote in case I have a chance to save myself. Splints would also be a good choice, so I don't mind that Ninja has put a vote there.

DFaraday wrote:The most users ever online is right now.

Wow!

Well none of them are in here, apparently.

So it would seem.

SVS, another thing to consider is daisy's vouching for me. I believe I know exactly why she is (other than just because I'm good). And I'm pretty sure she 100% knows it for sure.

I request, hopefully, your trust for at least just this one lynch - I've really believed DF is bad for ages and for whatever reason it keeps not happening. If I'm wrong, then come after me tomorrow and I'll try to do a better job of convincing you why I'm good.

I don't think Faraday tried to kill me. Who do you think did, Golden?

And I respect Daisys opinion, but she and I have very different approaches, sensibilities and mindsets.

I am trusting you Golden.

I guess Daisy's not going to elaborate on her killing me.

*Voting Gumshoe*

Thanks for the great game, Dom!

ENTER FARADAY.


ENTER SONDHEIM.

THE DATE IS MARCH 22.

SONDHEIM: Hello, Sir Andrew.

DFARADAY:


BLACK OUT




DFaraday has been lynched. He was Andrew Lloyd Weber.
You have 24 hours.

Doh I guess Faraday did try to kill me Lol.

S~V~S wrote:I don't think Faraday tried to kill me. Who do you think did, Golden?

Faraday!

I knew he had to be team webber, I just knew it!

DF could have been the last member of his team, I don't think the phantom MUST be alive, but they could still be alive. I wonder if the phantom is SVS and this whole day was a big wifom gambit. I don't understand why she was so sure that df would not have killed her. I'd be fairly willing to consider an SVS lynch tomorrow.

Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

I'm open to it.

I feel asleep and missed the vote. I would have voted dfaraday again. Glad to see he got lynched anyways.

Golden wrote:DF could have been the last member of his team, I don't think the phantom MUST be alive, but they could still be alive. I wonder if the phantom is SVS and this whole day was a big wifom gambit. I don't understand why she was so sure that df would not have killed her. I'd be fairly willing to consider an SVS lynch tomorrow.

Agreed here, although I personally believe a splints vote would be better. I suspect her for Wildhorn the most at the moment, based mostly on tone and her interactions with Nutella.

Also, MM I concede that with this flip I think I must be wrong about you, so I'm sorry sir. But it wasn't a No u, I genuinely believed your actions to be shady.

Good call Golden.

S~V~S wrote:Doh I guess Faraday did try to kill me Lol.

Can't keep a good bear down.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

I'm open to it.

Gumshoe or Devin? I recommend a coin flip.

Oh, very nice! Bye, Webber!

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

We're all getting pretty close to becoming inactives.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

We're all getting pretty close to becoming inactives.

I think you mean xD

Sloonei wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone else think that now is a good time to start talking about lynching one of the inactives?

We're all getting pretty close to becoming inactives.

I think you mean xD

Oh right.

I'm taking a look at Black Rock's interactions with current living players (and vice versa) from before and after the end of Night 1. With Black Rock being corrupted by the Wildhorny Hooligans, this is to see if she did any major flip-flopping on any players. I have skipped Golden and Sloonei from this list because they were targetted with a nightkill from BR's team. I also didn't include myself. I did include nijuukyugou, though I believe she is not mafia.

Since Jay was nightkilled by this team on Night 12, somebody must still be alive on this team, since DFaraday is the only player to die since then.



Devin the Omniscient

Day 0 - Nothing

Day 1/Night 1 - Nothing

Day 2/Night 2 - Nothing

Day 3/Night 3 - Nothing

Day 4/Night 4 - Nothing

Day 5/Night 5 - Nothing

Day 6/Night 6 - Nothing

Day 7 - Nothing

DREAM Spacedaisy

Day 0 - Nothing

Day 1/Night 1 - Nothing

Day 2/Night 2 - Nothing

Day 3/Night 3 - Nothing

Day 4/Night 4 - Nothing

Day 5/Night 5 - Nothing

Day 6/Night 6 - Nothing

Day 7 - Nothing

fingersplints

Day 0 - Nothing

Day 1/Night 1 - Nothing

Day 2/Night 2 - BR thanks fingersplints for defending her here.

Day 3/Night 3 - BR high fives fingersplints for having an identical vote record. BR denies the suspicion of fingersplints from FZ here.

Day 4/Night 4 - Nothing

Day 5/Night 5 - Nothing

Day 6/Night 6 - Nothing

Day 7 - fingersplints offers an accusation at BR, and BR responds sarcastically here.

Gumshoe

Day 0 - BR responds to a Gumshoe post regarding Epignosis, which leads to this post. Just light Day 0 chatter.

Day 1/Night 1 - BR responds to Gumshoe again on Day 1 with regards to the PM's received.

Day 2/Night 2 - Nothing

Day 3/Night 3 - Nothing

Day 4/Night 4 - Nothing

Day 5/Night 5 - Nothing

Day 6/Night 6 - Nothing

Day 7 - Nothing

nijuukyugou

Day 0 - Nothing

Day 1/Night 1 - Nothing

Day 2/Night 2 - Nothing

Day 3/Night 3 - Nothing

Day 4/Night 4 - Nothing

Day 5/Night 5 - Nothing

Day 6/Night 6 - Nothing

Day 7 - Nothing

Turnip Head S~V~S

Day 0 - Nothing

Day 1/Night 1 - After BR misses the lynch, she defends Long Con (for IRL reasons), and also states that she wants to pursue TH in the same post. Her reason for pursuing TH is "because". But BR was still an obvious civilian at this point.

Day 2/Night 2 - BR threatens to vote TH because he did not respond to her suspicion here. She then realized her suspicion post never went through here. BR and TH get involved in some light banter here. BR interacts with TH again here, with regards to her suspicion of Bass. She then defends her interactions with TH here as normal banter she engages in every game with him.

Day 3/Night 3 - BR asks if TH is silenced, since he hadn't posted in a little while (3 days real time at that point). She learns of TH's current trend of going silent in games, and suspects him for it here. She mentions again here that she wants to hear more from TH.

Day 4/Night 4 - BR jumps at the fact that she may have missed a post from TH.

Day 5/Night 5 - BR asks where TH is (this reads as a more personal plea than a game-related one).

Day 6/Night 6 - Nothing

Day 7 - Nothing

Considering the BR never did mention DREAM or Devin, I don't see either of them being a teammate of Black Rock. I'm still excluding nijuu from the list for reasons, even though she is an active player but BR never talked to/about her. That leaves Gumshoe, TH/SVS, and fingersplints.

Gumshoe --- Gumshoe and BR interacted a few times during Day 0/Day 1 during her guaranteed civilian phase. But she never did talk to him again, nor did she ever acknowledge that he had disappeared. Their interactions were not meaningful in that either one suspected the other, so it could be reasonable to assume that she just forgot about him. That said, I'd say there's a slightly stronger chance that Gumshoe is Wildhorn over Devin.

TH/SVS --- with the way BR continued to dog TH, I think she was looking for someone to frame, and an excuse to suspect him. I think SVS is not Team Wildhorn as a result of this.

fingersplints --- If we don't actually lynch an inactive today, I think BR's interactions with fingersplints are most suspicious. I haven't looked at fingersplints' side of the relationship yet, but BR's only comments with her involved lightheartedness, friendliness, and sarcasm. I find these interactions far more significant than the lack of interaction with nijuukyugou.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Considering the BR never did mention DREAM or Devin, I don't see either of them being a teammate of Black Rock. I'm still excluding nijuu from the list for reasons, even though she is an active player but BR never talked to/about her. That leaves Gumshoe, TH/SVS, and fingersplints.

Not sure I understand why you're excluding DREAM and Devin here. Why would a player have to mention another player for them to possibly be associated with one another? Also, wasn't BR a corrupted townie? At what point was she corrupted, and what can we assume was the nature of that corruption?

Gumshoe --- Gumshoe and BR interacted a few times during Day 0/Day 1 during her guaranteed civilian phase. But she never did talk to him again, nor did she ever acknowledge that he had disappeared. Their interactions were not meaningful in that either one suspected the other, so it could be reasonable to assume that she just forgot about him. That said, I'd say there's a slightly stronger chance that Gumshoe is Wildhorn over Devin.

TH/SVS --- with the way BR continued to dog TH, I think she was looking for someone to frame, and an excuse to suspect him. I think SVS is not Team Wildhorn as a result of this.

fingersplints --- If we don't actually lynch an inactive today, I think BR's interactions with fingersplints are most suspicious. I haven't looked at fingersplints' side of the relationship yet, but BR's only comments with her involved lightheartedness, friendliness, and sarcasm. I find these interactions far more significant than the lack of interaction with nijuukyugou.

You describe BR's interactions with splints as "suspicious" and "significant", but I'm not really seeing reasons why you feel this way. Sure, they could have been lighthearted and friendly, but does that really suggest a partnership between the two?

also, why black rock?

Sloonei wrote:also, why black rock?

Because she was the corrupted baddie. She would have been a civilian at one point, and then switched. Every other baddie would have played a more consistent game. And while we don't know if there is a baddie left on Team Webber, we do know that there is a baddie left on Team Wildhorn.

Sloonei wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Considering the BR never did mention DREAM or Devin, I don't see either of them being a teammate of Black Rock. I'm still excluding nijuu from the list for reasons, even though she is an active player but BR never talked to/about her. That leaves Gumshoe, TH/SVS, and fingersplints.

Not sure I understand why you're excluding DREAM and Devin here. Why would a player have to mention another player for them to possibly be associated with one another? Also, wasn't BR a corrupted townie? At what point was she corrupted, and what can we assume was the nature of that corruption?

There is no way, based on the BR-relationship, to call out one over the other in my mind. Since she did not interact with either of them or mention either of them, they are of equal status.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:also, why black rock?

Because she was the corrupted baddie. She would have been a civilian at one point, and then switched. Every other baddie would have played a more consistent game. And while we don't know if there is a baddie left on Team Webber, we do know that there is a baddie left on Team Wildhorn.

I dig this thinking. I should follow you.
I also think we should take a look at DFaraday's interactions, since he's a fresh case and all.

I've managed to get killed in 3 different mafia games over the last 24 hours. Hopefully I at least survive this night phase.

Dom, will we be told if a baddie team is eliminated? Not sure if this has been asked yet.

And Golden, I thought DF would not try to kill me as it would be too obvious, and that is not his style. It IS your style, which is why I thought you more likely to have been the killer than DF.