The Syndicate

Silverwolf wrote:This is in response to DFaraday who I am currently voting for ISO purposes I'm putting it in thread too.

Silverwolf wrote: Well, I can give you my honest opinion on it. I'm less inclined to care about my voting as town. As scum, I'm a lot more careful about it. So joining a bandwagon right away in a game, leans town for me as it promotes discussion and pressures someone that most likely needs it. This kind of pushing is townie to me. Now, if someone jumps on a major bandwagon with lame reasoning on someone who looks town or flips town, I'm gonna re-examine that a lot more closely next day.

The issue I had with your post is the fact that you started the day defending the leading wagon. It could be you honestly don't believe Dom is scum but I don't get that impression from you. You could be defending a teammate, possible. OR, you could be whiteknighting a wagon as scum which I have done before in past games. Usually in my opening statements because A) It's conversation that is easy to make and looks protown and/or B) I know the wagon is on town and it will give me town points going forward.

Due to your overall posting so far, I'm going with the later for now.

Scotty wrote:I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

Sorsha wrote:

Scotty wrote:I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

bwt was bad in A World Reborn but he was not killed night one. Timmer was killed night one and then later replaced bwt

Matt wrote:Just my reading this last page, I think Polo's bad. Haha. Okay, enough procrastinating, catch up time!!!! Woot!

ika wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:BTW-my vote on metalmarsh is because he's not doing anything productive at all and appears to be avoiding the thread.

He's one of the higher posters in the thread so far... How is that avoiding the thread?

How many games have you played with him before this one?

I think at the time when she said that he was posting elsewhere.

That is at least what i saw when she posted that

i mena i could pull timestamps if i wanted to be tryhard

Epignosis wrote:Who are you again?

ika wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:BTW-my vote on metalmarsh is because he's not doing anything productive at all and appears to be avoiding the thread.

He's one of the higher posters in the thread so far... How is that avoiding the thread?

How many games have you played with him before this one?

I think at the time when she said that he was posting elsewhere.

That is at least what i saw when she posted that

i mena i could pull timestamps if i wanted to be tryhard

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

If I think the wagon is on town I will but usually not right away in a game. Only if I think the lynch is going through and I don't want the person lynched. I often will jump on wagons early game for reactions and discussion. I don't defend them then for the most part as town. Usually only later and only when I'm fairly confident it's a mislynch. I did that with ika in Turf Wars on D1 cuz I thought the reasons they were lynching him were bad and amounted to playstyle differences. Later I scumread him and he was scum.

DrWilgy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

If I think the wagon is on town I will but usually not right away in a game. Only if I think the lynch is going through and I don't want the person lynched. I often will jump on wagons early game for reactions and discussion. I don't defend them then for the most part as town. Usually only later and only when I'm fairly confident it's a mislynch. I did that with ika in Turf Wars on D1 cuz I thought the reasons they were lynching him were bad and amounted to playstyle differences. Later I scumread him and he was scum.

*A bucket of popcorn falls to the floor, it seems to imply that Wilgy used to do the contrary when he was alive. He would just sit back and watch the show as a baddie. "Too much effort to get involved", he would think*

DrWilgy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

If I think the wagon is on town I will but usually not right away in a game. Only if I think the lynch is going through and I don't want the person lynched. I often will jump on wagons early game for reactions and discussion. I don't defend them then for the most part as town. Usually only later and only when I'm fairly confident it's a mislynch. I did that with ika in Turf Wars on D1 cuz I thought the reasons they were lynching him were bad and amounted to playstyle differences. Later I scumread him and he was scum.

*A bucket of popcorn falls to the floor, it seems to imply that Wilgy used to do the contrary when he was alive. He would just sit back and watch the show as a baddie. "Too much effort to get involved", he would think*

Dom wrote:LC, can you clarify your point there? I'm confused.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:LC, can you clarify your point there? I'm confused.

It just struck me the same as Epi's joke that went over my head. Epi linked to a game where he was a baddie and was exhibiting the same behaviour as a joke. Then Wilgy said that, as a baddie, he likes to sit back and watch the Day 1 bandwagon, and not get involved. Which is kind of what he's doing in this game.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:LC, can you clarify your point there? I'm confused.

It just struck me the same as Epi's joke that went over my head. Epi linked to a game where he was a baddie and was exhibiting the same behaviour as a joke. Then Wilgy said that, as a baddie, he likes to sit back and watch the Day 1 bandwagon, and not get involved. Which is kind of what he's doing in this game.

I'm not sure that's true. Rob did bring out a point against me.

However, I'd like to skim the beginning of turf wars... or at least look at his ISO and see what he posted Day 1. I never noticed that about Rob.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:LC, can you clarify your point there? I'm confused.

It just struck me the same as Epi's joke that went over my head. Epi linked to a game where he was a baddie and was exhibiting the same behaviour as a joke. Then Wilgy said that, as a baddie, he likes to sit back and watch the Day 1 bandwagon, and not get involved. Which is kind of what he's doing in this game.

Epignosis wrote:What did you never notice about me?

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Joke













The heads of Long Con and Scotty

Waiting for the punch

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What did you never notice about me?

Wilgy's talking about himself and not Rob isn't he?

Dom wrote:Llama, what makes you prefer DFaraday?

Silverwolf wrote:I checked btw's 9 posts and feel very indifferent about him. I have no objections to this lynch going through.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:For people suspecting DFaraday, do you think this is unusual behavior for him or just vapid behavior?

That question really tries to force the answer to be one of the two, that's kind of weird to me. I don't suspect him for unusual OR vapid behaviour. I suspect him because of what I consider baddie behaviour. You didn't answer my question to you about the dichotomy of your previous post.

You're right. I forgot to answer your point. Perhaps BR unintentionally did this, but either way, she should know. If she is bad, then we should call her out on it and lynch her. If she isn't bad and does not want me lynched, then we shoud let her know that her words might be pushing others to do something different.

Black Rock wrote:I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:For people suspecting DFaraday, do you think this is unusual behavior for him or just vapid behavior?

That question really tries to force the answer to be one of the two, that's kind of weird to me. I don't suspect him for unusual OR vapid behaviour. I suspect him because of what I consider baddie behaviour. You didn't answer my question to you about the dichotomy of your previous post.

You're right. I forgot to answer your point. Perhaps BR unintentionally did this, but either way, she should know. If she is bad, then we should call her out on it and lynch her. If she isn't bad and does not want me lynched, then we shoud let her know that her words might be pushing others to do something different.

Oh my. I certainly wasn't even thinking of this game when I said "sneakier". Thank you Epig, for understanding me. I didn't feel like that should be taken as an opinion I had regarding this game. I was speaking to the fact that I have troubles reading you in games where as before I felt like you more more of an open book. I thought I also conveyed that I was not suspicious of you when I said I didn't understand any suspicion surrounding you at that time. Your reaction to my post is you falling into old habits. You should have let it go and watched who did try to use it to get you lynched. It's a much more "sneakier" way to catch a baddie.

With that said I have to vote now as my three year old starts ball hockey tonight and it runs from 530 till 630, and the poll ends at around 645 for me.

I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Just because I said I haven't been lynched Day 1 in a while doesn't mean the time has come again.

It might be a good idea though. How about if you're bad? Then I might die night 1 if you're not lynched first. I have to put some thought into this.

Seeing Illy play has brought my mood up. I like the return of old Mafia friends. I thought I'd never see her again.

I'll probably nightkill Scotty instead. He's my other go-to option.

Illyria wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:For people suspecting DFaraday, do you think this is unusual behavior for him or just vapid behavior?

That question really tries to force the answer to be one of the two, that's kind of weird to me. I don't suspect him for unusual OR vapid behaviour. I suspect him because of what I consider baddie behaviour. You didn't answer my question to you about the dichotomy of your previous post.

You're right. I forgot to answer your point. Perhaps BR unintentionally did this, but either way, she should know. If she is bad, then we should call her out on it and lynch her. If she isn't bad and does not want me lynched, then we shoud let her know that her words might be pushing others to do something different.

Oh my. I certainly wasn't even thinking of this game when I said "sneakier". Thank you Epig, for understanding me. I didn't feel like that should be taken as an opinion I had regarding this game. I was speaking to the fact that I have troubles reading you in games where as before I felt like you more more of an open book. I thought I also conveyed that I was not suspicious of you when I said I didn't understand any suspicion surrounding you at that time. Your reaction to my post is you falling into old habits. You should have let it go and watched who did try to use it to get you lynched. It's a much more "sneakier" way to catch a baddie.

With that said I have to vote now as my three year old starts ball hockey tonight and it runs from 530 till 630, and the poll ends at around 645 for me.

I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

Huh. Look, it is my first ping that I can identify.

One, IIRC you are pretty good with words so it is odd to me that you aren't now.

Two, so you believe Dom is a civvie?

You aren't my only ping, and I am going to push this voting this lynch just a tad to see what else I can get in the re-read. I am barely coherent right now, the last two days have been MAD!

Here is what I had initially and I am not multi-quoting.

I have never read BWT right, this game proves no exception.

D Faraday I am not sure.

Dom, you have been making my eyebrow crick for the last day-- to be fair I can not tell if there are still the vestiges of the puppy in there or if it is something else.

LC... I.. am not sure... but I worry. I have yet to dileneate if that is from Mafias Past or this one.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

I'm right at that quote but I had to go. I'm just checking in from the arena. I really can't answer that last question. I haven't caught up. Even though it's not that much. I may be on the couch tonight since I broke my first mafia rule.

Black Rock wrote:

Illyria wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:For people suspecting DFaraday, do you think this is unusual behavior for him or just vapid behavior?

That question really tries to force the answer to be one of the two, that's kind of weird to me. I don't suspect him for unusual OR vapid behaviour. I suspect him because of what I consider baddie behaviour. You didn't answer my question to you about the dichotomy of your previous post.

You're right. I forgot to answer your point. Perhaps BR unintentionally did this, but either way, she should know. If she is bad, then we should call her out on it and lynch her. If she isn't bad and does not want me lynched, then we shoud let her know that her words might be pushing others to do something different.

Oh my. I certainly wasn't even thinking of this game when I said "sneakier". Thank you Epig, for understanding me. I didn't feel like that should be taken as an opinion I had regarding this game. I was speaking to the fact that I have troubles reading you in games where as before I felt like you more more of an open book. I thought I also conveyed that I was not suspicious of you when I said I didn't understand any suspicion surrounding you at that time. Your reaction to my post is you falling into old habits. You should have let it go and watched who did try to use it to get you lynched. It's a much more "sneakier" way to catch a baddie.

With that said I have to vote now as my three year old starts ball hockey tonight and it runs from 530 till 630, and the poll ends at around 645 for me.

I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

Huh. Look, it is my first ping that I can identify.

One, IIRC you are pretty good with words so it is odd to me that you aren't now.

Two, so you believe Dom is a civvie?

You aren't my only ping, and I am going to push this voting this lynch just a tad to see what else I can get in the re-read. I am barely coherent right now, the last two days have been MAD!

Here is what I had initially and I am not multi-quoting.

I have never read BWT right, this game proves no exception.

D Faraday I am not sure.

Dom, you have been making my eyebrow crick for the last day-- to be fair I can not tell if there are still the vestiges of the puppy in there or if it is something else.

LC... I.. am not sure... but I worry. I have yet to dileneate if that is from Mafias Past or this one.

lol good with words? I've never been accused of that in my life.

Matt wrote:Oh man, I'm gonna get shit for this, but I still haven't caught up. Randomed between Bwt, DF, and Dom, and got Bwt. Sorry, even if you are bad Bwt

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

I'm right at that quote but I had to go. I'm just checking in from the arena. I really can't answer that last question. I haven't caught up. Even though it's not that much. I may be on the couch tonight since I broke my first mafia rule.

If you are bad, then I say Long Con is too. That vote doesn't strike me as compelling, and if you're not willing to lynch somebody, you shouldn't be voting that person- even on Day 1. Rather, it smells like one of those halfhearted distance votes I see all the time as a host.

To me a vote says, "This is the person I am most confident in lynching."

Black Rock.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

I'm right at that quote but I had to go. I'm just checking in from the arena. I really can't answer that last question. I haven't caught up. Even though it's not that much. I may be on the couch tonight since I broke my first mafia rule.

If you are bad, then I say Long Con is too. That vote doesn't strike me as compelling, and if you're not willing to lynch somebody, you shouldn't be voting that person- even on Day 1. Rather, it smells like one of those halfhearted distance votes I see all the time as a host.

To me a vote says, "This is the person I am most confident in lynching."

Black Rock.

That's interesting I thought you have played a game where me and LC were bad together. This is not my evil with husband behaviour at all.

Black Rock wrote:I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

DrWilgy wrote:*A ghost Wilgy appears (imagine Wilgy with a sheet over his head), and extends his hand to Marmot for their dance*

Silverwolf wrote:I checked btw's 9 posts and feel very indifferent about him. I have no objections to this lynch going through.

*The ghost then points to a nearby computer screen and text begins to appear on the screen*

"Silverwolf... While I haven't thoroughly read you, I am aware you have the second most posts... I think it would be rather off or odd of you to feel indifferent to a lynch that isn't the one you are voting for yourself. If anything... I think you should be bothered that it's not the wagon you support at least.

Time to look at you in detail..."

*Wilgy's ghost disappears*