The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

I don't see how Lunalee is bad after saying that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.

I know I didn't.

It's funnier if I just quote that part.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:46 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.

I know I didn't.

It's funnier if I just quote that part.

were you around at EOD? Why did you stay on MacDougall?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:50 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:46 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.

I know I didn't.

It's funnier if I just quote that part.

were you around at EOD? Why did you stay on MacDougall?

Nope, couldn't be online.I had to go to my sister's graduation ceremony.

Mac seemed like a good vote to make at the time I did, when the only wagon was Enrique's and I didn't find it very appealing. But I couldn't be here to change after that wagon died, sorry.

So what's the deal about Gman anyway? Is he acting more suspicious than usual? I'm not paying much attention to him other than the fact he is starting everything with an M.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:04 pm So what's the deal about Gman anyway? Is he acting more suspicious than usual? I'm not paying much attention to him other than the fact he is starting everything with an M.

Maybe my natural charisma is too disarming this time around?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:20 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:30 am I know I'm not one of the cool players that anyone wants around or cares about playing with sorry. I was at least right that voting Enrique wasnt the right move.

Wrong. You're totes cool.

RIP Eko.

Thanks dude much appreciated!

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.

Perhaps just a not thinking how that might sound before posting thing?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good. But RIP another townie.

No it doesn't wtf

My whole thing was I thought you had TMI on him so how you think his flip looks good for you is beyond me.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:07 pm My whole thing was I thought you had TMI on him so how you think his flip looks good for you is beyond me.

I thought he was good and decided to defend that. So if Enrique had flipped scum, I would look dumb or scummy. But yeah, you could say I look bad either way. I don't really care.

The same could apply to me then. But you were weirder about it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:07 pm My whole thing was I thought you had TMI on him so how you think his flip looks good for you is beyond me.

I thought he was good and decided to defend that. So if Enrique had flipped scum, I would look dumb or scummy. But yeah, you could say I look bad either way. I don't really care.

I like that

This person sounds like the person I saw in Asunder. You had no fucks to give in that game, it was why I initially suspected you. But in retrospect, knowing you were civ and contrasting it with your bad game in GOC, I very much think the Asunder Luna said that^^

SVS I solved some of the equation again but I won't show my work so in order to pass the test you have to reverse engineer it.

So I was in fact right about nutella who is definitely Mafia.

Go my friends and save the world.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:24 pm SVS I solved some of the equation again but I won't show my work so in order to pass the test you have to reverse engineer it.

So I was in fact right about nutella who is definitely Mafia.

Go my friends and save the world.

Hey I know this might be hard for you to accept, but you're wrong.

Why would me being wrong be hard for me to accept?

The Assassination of Nutella by the Coward MacDougall


I shall preface the tale I am about to tell with a little education. I am not your run of the mill bounty hunter. I don't look for surface reasons, slips and statements. I look for deeper intent. I don't read the words and think to myself "there's a civilian", I look for "Mafia sub purpose". If I cannot see it, then I see a civilian. The objective of the bad guy is to look as civvy as possible but they cannot hide their true intent, which is to continue to exist and to confuse the civilians into thinking they are one of their own. This is the assassination of nutella by the coward MacDougall.

Unlike most of the time when I throw out an early read, nutella pinged me not for tone or gut but because of a post. This one in fact. I rate nutella as at least a 4 star catch so keep in mind that it's not like she's gonna be some glaring beacon of Mafia. When she's Mafia she's good, real good.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:26 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:49 am Kylemii, MacDougall, and G-Man are bad.

Go.

oh yeah totes

It's short, I know. As with all things it could be a civ post but as far as Mafia-like posts go this one is pretty typical of early game Mafia players in that it doesn't possess much civilian purpose and is also a fairly "risk free" type of post. It's as Jay would say "busywork". Responding to the first Earnest attempt to start the game off with a choking response, the point of this post is questionable and all it does really is immediately take the pressure valve off the three players Epignosis tried to put under the hammer, which I rate as a good look for the drunk guy.

This alone is not enough though. As you will see there is a bit more to come and it really only came to a head at the end of the previous day. It was the way she dealt with the lynch of Enrique that has me quite certain of her Mafia nature.

We'll get there soon. Here's another really intriguing post she made along the way.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:00 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.

Maybe you could fix that?

Lol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad

I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do

But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own

In the above post this reads like a Mafia player latching on to a town made case. She is also exhibiting "the Russ" by casting doubt in both directions. This serves to pacify both Speechuck and Lunalee towards her at the same time. It's made even more genius by the fact that speedchuck wasn't even really explicitly suspecting lunalee, and nutella escalated it to that in a way to make it seem like speedchuck did. What you do here as mafia is go back and blame speedchuck when lunalee flips town. Not outright, but "speedchuck pointed out that she was being hypocritical and I agreed" is a good cover for raising a bad case.

You can see in the below post that DDL saw something samesuch in the post. He simplified it down to her use of the term "lol". I think he felt something else and struggled to quantify it. Speak to that for me DDL.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:47 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:00 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.

Maybe you could fix that?

Lol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad

I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do

But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own

The way you start the sentence with "lol" before throwing shade at someone then saying you won't "necessarily" vote for them triggered my senses.

Come on you have played with me in the last year.

Moving on to where nutella starts to get a bit outrageous.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:43 pm Your tripping sense. SVS is obvtown.


....or is that just the recency bias speaking

SVS might be civilian looking, but she is a damn good Mafia player. Read Buffy if you don't believe me. Nutella knows better than to make statements like this without TMI playing a part.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:08 pm I may join the enri train, SVS had decent reasoning and his one last post felt weird/off to me

She's buddying SVS in this game.

It's ironic because TMI is what ultimately is gonna hang her.

The way nutella straightened her back and decided to try to play town leader at the end of the day reminded me of myself as Mafia so much that it damn near made me proud.

Step 1 - There's a wagon on a civvie who is making some really civvie sounding posts in a game where there's a damn good likelihood he's gonna get lynched anyway because apathy is the rule of the day.

Step 2 - Make posts like these.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:22 pm Anyway I decided I believe enri's truth meta. Luna hasn't decided anything, and I know I shouldn't be one to criticize flipflopping but she seems to be fabricating thoughts on enri according to the whim of the thread.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:57 pm @Epignosis @S~V~S @MacDougall @speedchuck please move your stupid damn votes plzkthx. preferably to luna she is suspicious af

Now she's got a new target. Probably another civilian. Though in a really damaged universe she might be fake bussing her scummate for real good wifom. Either way the agenda isn't really to get luna lynched. She wants Enrique to get lynched and flip civ so she can make this post. She has way TMI on Enrique for a start. The facts she has at her disposal should not cause her to get this aggressive in defending an unknown quantity. Enrique did not look that civilian.

Ultimately she got exactly what she wanted.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:01 pm This is the second fucking stupid lynch in a row of a cool player who I would have liked to play with just because people are being fucking lazy

And she is laying it on real thick.

Her last second switch to G-Man was even more illogical. The progression of her day wasn't so much to stop Enri's lynch as it was her suspicion of lunalee. She went from "we should lynch luna she's bad" to "enri is so obviously town I'll help attempt to lynch another random person" in a way that can only be coming from a person hoping to win civ cred from defending a civilian.

This is stuff I do to a tee as Mafia. It's great Mafia play. You will see why when she picks apart all these points in extremely rational and sensible ways.

Don't get it twisted kids, she's dangerous here.

Nope.

I see why you think I had TMI on Enrique. I didn't. I believed his truth claim. I know him pretty well and I was sure he was for real. I hated that people were voting for him for such stupid reasons. I really found Luna suspicious and if you reread her progression on Enrique I think you may agree. You are reading me wrong and I see where you are coming from but you are ascribing complete opposite intentions to everything I've done.

Also I won't pick apart your points in rational sensible ways because there was no long term motive behind anything I did. I had a lot of reactive in-the-moment things that you are way overanalyzing. I didn't want Enrique to get lynched. That's really as far as it gets.

Ok

Many moons have passed since I made a game spreadsheet. I'm going to go do that and see how it feels.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:24 pm Many moons have passed since I made a game spreadsheet. I'm going to go do that and see how it feels.

Most depressing, isn't it?

M Plus 7 and sprityo failed to vote both Day 1 and Day 2. They also both have just two posts each. That's frustrating as heck with the game on the cusp of Day 3. We had time to deal with at least one of them, but I think we're stuck dealing with their collective absence now (barring replacement).

Anyone else see anything worth noting in these votes?

The police, paramedics, investigators, ceremony staff, and awards presenters decided to take a lunch break. The narrative wasn't making much sense, and it was starting to get rather exhausting. It was like someone was writing this stuff in short windows of time without a clear plan of what was going to happen in the story. Or someone else was controlling the writer from the future. A scream of horror from the ceremony chamber shook them from their immediate confusion and replaced it with concern. They rushed back inside to find two more presenters lying dead.





Under his bloodied body was found a stack of cue cards. They read in succession as follows:

The camera pans wide towards the stage as a mild round of applause reverberates through the arena. Prolific triple threat Will Smith sidles up to the podium.

"Thank you. Thank you. Our next award is for best host. The winner of this award is the person who is able to navigate the inevitable shitfuckery, bad sportsmanship and accusations of imbalance to still provide a great game experience for the three people who actually try."

The crowd explodes into laughter. Mr. Smith still has "it".

"This field was red hot this year but there could only be one winner."

Smith opens an envelope and pulls out a piece of paper.

"The winner is DharmaHelper!"

The crowd's response is hushed. PWC officials scurry around the stage area looking towards one another with confused and incredulous looks on their face. DharmaHelper approaches the stage with a huge grin on his face and his trademark swagger.

"Wait. Wait. I am so sorry. DharmaHelper you did not win this award."

DharmaHelper falls to the ground, heartbroken. The crowd explodes into a sea of panic.

Spoiler: show

"The winner is Epignosis!"

The camera locks on Epignosis, who has passed out in his seat.

"Oh that's a little embarrassing. Fortunately there are actually TWO WINNERS! Yup two winners."

DharmaHelper looks up from his prone position and ponderously surveys the svelte and sophisticated looking socialite.

Spoiler: show

"Dragon D. Luffy is also the winner!"

The crowd are beyond stunned. Not only was the award read wrong but there are in fact two winners after all. What shenanigans. What parlour games! What fun!

The camera panned to Dragon D. Luffy.

It looked as though he was shot down while attempting to deliver some photographs to the event officials...

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] is replacing [mention]M Plus 7[/mention].

Day 3 begins now. It will last 48 HOURS instead of 24 to account for Super Bowl Sunday.

Awards nominees and finalists (don't click until you've tackled Epi's rebus puzzle):

Sup I’m here and don’t really know what’s been going on.

RIP guys, congrats winnahs, welcome sloo.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:45 pm RIP guys, congrats winnahs, welcome sloo.

Tell me who the bad socks are.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:12 pm The same could apply to me then. But you were weirder about it.

nutella god bless you. this made me laugh out loud. I think u be funny.

it should be known though that i bought a 750 ml bottle of Jameson caskmates for the super bowl...but i just HAD to open it tonight. 6 shots in. Expect weirdness. Love ya.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:31 pm Sup I’m here and don’t really know what’s been going on.

Methinks we're getting laughed at. Hard.

I haven’t even performed yet.

[VOTE: reywas] aubergine

Break the cycle

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] are you in mafia?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:09 am @Sloonei are you in mafia?

sure

Welcome to the game sloonei unless you're bad. Thanks for the chart g man I didn't see the polls posted on the front page. I see you've taken the liberty of filling in vanilla on yourself even though that isn't necessarily confirmed haha.

I was at a hockey game last night good times our home team won

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:09 am @Sloonei are you in mafia?

sure

Got 'Em

B)

Bye Epi and Mac. Congrats winners! Welcome Sloonei.

Two kills but both flipped, unlike Nova.

Planning to re-read Epi, last lynch clarified a lot for me.

Many thanks to the host for the extra 24 hours. I would have been at a party in the hollers, where cell signal is a myth.

Since this game is still a relatively short read, I’m going to give a re-read another crack now that we can interpret two more players as civvie. I’ll try to plot out the votes in order too. I still hate the fact that our polls don’t track votes in the order they were cast. It makes vote analysis less reliable and vote analysis is what I’m best at.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:17 am [VOTE: reywas] aubergine

Break the cycle

ooohhhhh what cycle are we talking about?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:09 am Many thanks to the host for the extra 24 hours. I would have been at a party in the hollers, where cell signal is a myth.

Since this game is still a relatively short read, I’m going to give a re-read another crack now that we can interpret two more players as civvie. I’ll try to plot out the votes in order too. I still hate the fact that our polls don’t track votes in the order they were cast. It makes vote analysis less reliable and vote analysis is what I’m best at.

They could also be indies, we have to presume we have them becasue of Macs flip:

You are a 2-shot FBI Agent aligned with the civilians. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is self-aligned.

Civvies, town aligned, baddies Mafia aligned, indies, self aligned.

Mac missed the Day One vote, I wonder if he targeted anyone.

whaddup SVS

Thanks again for voting for me, guys! Really honored that my game was so succesful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:00 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.

Maybe you could fix that?

Lol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad

I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do

But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own

In the above post this reads like a Mafia player latching on to a town made case. She is also exhibiting "the Russ" by casting doubt in both directions. This serves to pacify both Speechuck and Lunalee towards her at the same time. It's made even more genius by the fact that speedchuck wasn't even really explicitly suspecting lunalee, and nutella escalated it to that in a way to make it seem like speedchuck did. What you do here as mafia is go back and blame speedchuck when lunalee flips town. Not outright, but "speedchuck pointed out that she was being hypocritical and I agreed" is a good cover for raising a bad case.

You can see in the below post that DDL saw something samesuch in the post. He simplified it down to her use of the term "lol". I think he felt something else and struggled to quantify it. Speak to that for me DDL.

It's not just the "lol", it's the whole package of word usage. I'm going a little Epi here, but I believe he is right when he says people tend to put specific words to make their points feel weaker than they are, so they don't really take responsibility for it. Hence the adverbs thing.

Nutella wants to throw shade at people but she also wants to let us know she is not sure about it. Fine. But she colors it with "lol"s and emotes to mae it look more friendly than she should considering the fact she is, you know, throwing shade at people. There is a disconnect between the tone and the actions.

First sentence she opens with a friendly lol then attacks Luna on meta. Then second sentence she backs down, davalues her own post, and finishes it with a friendly emote. Then third sentence she passes the ball to other people and asks for a wagon. It could be the Luna wagon she just offered, it could be someone else.

I could see a civ doing everything I just described, especially a careful civ like nutella, but I could also see the baddie line of thought behind the whole thing. I think it applies to the rest of the case you build on nutella, too. That's why she is so hard to read, her civ and bad metas are similar.