Re: The Addams Family Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:33 pm
I'll look at how the leetic/Jack DDL suspicion played out in the thread [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] tomorrow morning when I look at speed.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Reasons to scumread Jack:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:00 pm It’s probably just Speed anyway. He admitted my behavior isn’t like SHP but his case is that I’m bussing just like SHP.
Leetic’s remarks were that DDL’s suspicion of me was fake and the Jack wagon grew with no resistance so DDL was scum and I was town.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:23 pm Jack didn't really have a DDL's case until very late. He highjacked Leetic's remark and DDL's own suspicion of him.
DDL was an already popular baddie read.
Poll wasn’t open yet.
-Sabie kill, you mean? This is wifom but I wouldn’t have killed Sabie. I’d probably have killed Luna. She kept trying to lynch me in Flags even after I was mechanically confirmed. DDL’s treatment of her makes her look taf. She’s never going to give me credit for bussing DDL. Or maybe Leetic, who looked good after the DDL lynch and hinted PR.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:22 pmReasons to scumread Jack:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:00 pm It’s probably just Speed anyway. He admitted my behavior isn’t like SHP but his case is that I’m bussing just like SHP.
-Juliets kill (jack is like alternate universe me, and I'd have done that [yes I know I might get lynched for saying this])
-'Actually' tell
-Full DDL suspicion doesn't come until the day lingers on the two of them for a long time
-Most of the rest of the game is cleared on either not knowing the number of scum or having a plausible role or just being sexy like Nova
The case has never been that you're bussing like SHP.
Just that you're bussing.
That said, I'm at like 45% confidence, and it looks likely that D2 and D3 will be speed and jack lynches in some order. Maybe if we lynch you first the game will end??
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:27 pm I was your first scumread in SHP. Your second post in that game was discrediting a (flimsy) townread of me.
I have no doubts that you would cut DDL's throat and toss his corpse under the bus if things started looking even slightly bad.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:24 pmBecause you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:19 pmTell me why DDL was lynched.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:18 pmFirst off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pmCause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 amExplain this.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.
I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.
9:57 pm March 30 -
12:24 pm March 31 -novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.
Linki - high five!
3:02 pm March 31 - DDL's case against Jack re: random votingspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 pmAgreed.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.
Linki - high five!
7:24 pm March 31 -novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:20 pm Jack and DDL's argument has to be the most contrived thing I've seen in a while
8:22 pm March 31 -
7:37 am April 1 -leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:22 pmI'm not so sure I like this, I've seen many people call others out for early game joke votes and they turn out scum a surprising amount of time. [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergineDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pmEh no I hate this argument.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pmRandom voting stage.
Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.
Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.
You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.
If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.
So, I do agree that Jack came in after the suspicion of DDL was established by nova and leetic (and even Luna had a post in there) which means the thing I gave him credit for, the DDL case, was not correct.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 amOh shit it’s SHP all over again. Better bus DDL.
But seriously this post below? It comes from a wolf.
Leetic is right. This is a bad reason to vote that is typical of wolves.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pmEh no I hate this argument.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pmRandom voting stage.
Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.
Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.
You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.
If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.
Townies do vote players they don’t actually suspect in rvs. Townies don’t vote players with intent to lynch for doing so. I’ve never seen DDL hate on early semirandom voting with this kind of certainty before. He’s faking, here.
Ftr, my vote on Mac was not random but also I didn’t scumread him. Out of the players who had posted at the time, I had (however flimsy) some reason to townread most of them but no reason to townread Mac. So I voted there to see what would happen and what happened was DDL got caught being scummy.
I never said D1 was useless.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
Luna, could you share with me what you are seeing in speed's case that makes him bad or worse than Jack? I give Jack the edge mostly because he seems to be taking credit for DDL when in reality, he only jumped on it after others (including you) brought up the suspicion according to my reading of how the DDL suspicion developed (my earlier post). But I'm still listening to other cases.
What about this makes me bad?juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:09 am Development of the DDL read:
9:57 pm March 30 -9:57 pm March 30 -12:24 pm March 31 -novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.
Linki - high five!3:02 pm March 31 - DDL's case against Jack re: random votingspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 pmAgreed.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.
Linki - high five!
7:20 pm March 31 -7:24 pm March 31 -novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:20 pm Jack and DDL's argument has to be the most contrived thing I've seen in a while8:22 pm March 31 -7:37 am April 1 -leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:22 pmI'm not so sure I like this, I've seen many people call others out for early game joke votes and they turn out scum a surprising amount of time. [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergineDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pmEh no I hate this argument.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pmRandom voting stage.
Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.
Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.
You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.
If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.So, I do agree that Jack came in after the suspicion of DDL was established by nova and leetic (and even Luna had a post in there) which means the thing I gave him credit for, the DDL case, was not correct.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 amOh shit it’s SHP all over again. Better bus DDL.
But seriously this post below? It comes from a wolf.
Leetic is right. This is a bad reason to vote that is typical of wolves.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pmEh no I hate this argument.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pmRandom voting stage.
Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.
Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.
You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.
If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.
Townies do vote players they don’t actually suspect in rvs. Townies don’t vote players with intent to lynch for doing so. I’ve never seen DDL hate on early semirandom voting with this kind of certainty before. He’s faking, here.
Ftr, my vote on Mac was not random but also I didn’t scumread him. Out of the players who had posted at the time, I had (however flimsy) some reason to townread most of them but no reason to townread Mac. So I voted there to see what would happen and what happened was DDL got caught being scummy.
I never said D1 was useless.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
I have read through speed and I will do so again today because I didn't see much to push him into my good or bad reads but at this point I think Jack looks worse so voting now [VOTE: Jack] aubergine.
Because who gets lynched for random voting? If this were just an aside and if the day had moved on or had ANYTHING ELSE happen, the vote would only have been an aside that 'proved' you two aren't aligned. Which you reinforced with your response.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 am Why the hell does DDL go after his partner for random voting?
I'm not going to go into meltdown mode if I get lynched today. My thoughts are in the thread, and I'm going to feel like crap if I'm wrong, but it is what it is. I'm somewhat curious as to how genuine Jack's reaction would be when I flip as town.
It'll be likespeedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:29 amBecause who gets lynched for random voting? If this were just an aside and if the day had moved on or had ANYTHING ELSE happen, the vote would only have been an aside that 'proved' you two aren't aligned. Which you reinforced with your response.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 am Why the hell does DDL go after his partner for random voting?
I'm not going to go into meltdown mode if I get lynched today. My thoughts are in the thread, and I'm going to feel like crap if I'm wrong, but it is what it is. I'm somewhat curious as to how genuine Jack's reaction would be when I flip as town.
I'm just not seeing a strong "town speed" this game. I should go look closer at his posts to actually point to anything specific.juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:53 amLuna, could you share with me what you are seeing in speed's case that makes him bad or worse than Jack? I give Jack the edge mostly because he seems to be taking credit for DDL when in reality, he only jumped on it after others (including you) brought up the suspicion according to my reading of how the DDL suspicion developed (my earlier post). But I'm still listening to other cases.
And if, hypothetically, I was scum?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:36 amIt'll be likespeedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:29 amBecause who gets lynched for random voting? If this were just an aside and if the day had moved on or had ANYTHING ELSE happen, the vote would only have been an aside that 'proved' you two aren't aligned. Which you reinforced with your response.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 am Why the hell does DDL go after his partner for random voting?
I'm not going to go into meltdown mode if I get lynched today. My thoughts are in the thread, and I'm going to feel like crap if I'm wrong, but it is what it is. I'm somewhat curious as to how genuine Jack's reaction would be when I flip as town.
and if I get lynched it'll be like
You won't be using that one.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:42 am And one Wednesday Adams gif for if Speedchuck starts moaning about being lynched.
Wellspeedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:44 amYou won't be using that one.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:42 am And one Wednesday Adams gif for if Speedchuck starts moaning about being lynched.
Jack I had said that your DDL case was a point in your favor but as nova pointed out you came late to the case, DDL was already a baddie read. In my mind you were the first to have really jumped on him - I was wrong so that negates the positive trait I saw.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:14 amWhat about this makes me bad?juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:09 am Development of the DDL read:
9:57 pm March 30 -9:57 pm March 30 -12:24 pm March 31 -novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.
Linki - high five!3:02 pm March 31 - DDL's case against Jack re: random votingspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 pmAgreed.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.
Linki - high five!
7:20 pm March 31 -7:24 pm March 31 -novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:20 pm Jack and DDL's argument has to be the most contrived thing I've seen in a while8:22 pm March 31 -7:37 am April 1 -leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:22 pmI'm not so sure I like this, I've seen many people call others out for early game joke votes and they turn out scum a surprising amount of time. [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergineDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pmEh no I hate this argument.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pmRandom voting stage.
Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.
Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.
You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.
If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.So, I do agree that Jack came in after the suspicion of DDL was established by nova and leetic (and even Luna had a post in there) which means the thing I gave him credit for, the DDL case, was not correct.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 amOh shit it’s SHP all over again. Better bus DDL.
But seriously this post below? It comes from a wolf.
Leetic is right. This is a bad reason to vote that is typical of wolves.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pmEh no I hate this argument.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pmRandom voting stage.
Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.
Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.
You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.
If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.
Townies do vote players they don’t actually suspect in rvs. Townies don’t vote players with intent to lynch for doing so. I’ve never seen DDL hate on early semirandom voting with this kind of certainty before. He’s faking, here.
Ftr, my vote on Mac was not random but also I didn’t scumread him. Out of the players who had posted at the time, I had (however flimsy) some reason to townread most of them but no reason to townread Mac. So I voted there to see what would happen and what happened was DDL got caught being scummy.
I never said D1 was useless.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
I have read through speed and I will do so again today because I didn't see much to push him into my good or bad reads but at this point I think Jack looks worse so voting now [VOTE: Jack] aubergine.
Do you not see the logical inconsistencies in Speed's case against me?
IE actually tell only working if DDL was town?
Zootopia is an awesome movie. Every little part of it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:48 am One of my favorite things about Zootopia is that they take such care with animating background characters. You have scenes with dozens of background animals and they are all individually doing their own things that are painstakingly animated. In that Ox and Cheetah gif, there is a bear on the left doing the running man, a polar bear in the back taking a picture on his phone, a couple animals fist pumping, etc. There is no duplicated animation, nobody just standing doing nothing, no artificially unpopulated spaces to keep from having to animate these extra characters. It just shows what a work of love the movie is.
Well, except for the part where it's like "It's okay for cops to break the law because they're the good guys" which is in nearly every fictional story with protagonists in law enforcement and it really pisses me off. As a movie that is pretty explicitly an allegory for race relations in America, the writers should have known better than to use that trope.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:57 amZootopia is an awesome movie. Every little part of it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:48 am One of my favorite things about Zootopia is that they take such care with animating background characters. You have scenes with dozens of background animals and they are all individually doing their own things that are painstakingly animated. In that Ox and Cheetah gif, there is a bear on the left doing the running man, a polar bear in the back taking a picture on his phone, a couple animals fist pumping, etc. There is no duplicated animation, nobody just standing doing nothing, no artificially unpopulated spaces to keep from having to animate these extra characters. It just shows what a work of love the movie is.
Jack, thanks, I have to run out for a little while but I will address your questions and your post when I return. It will only be a couple of hours, maybe less.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:54 am @juliets
But why am I bad? What have I done to make you suspect me?
Here is my counterargument to Speed's case where I point out that it is dishonest/wrong.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p527377
And leetic has claimed jailer. That seems to have excused him from further suspicion.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:43 pm My role is Jailer. Asked Epi if blocking the last Mafia would block the kill, and he didn't give me a conclusive answer. Mac and I should synchronize our targets N2 (if we get there) so that if he's telling the truth, it can be confirmed. Voting juliets for now, but I'll look over everyone again once I have the time.
You made a 5 point case against me on D1.
Why?
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:08 am-Sabie kill, you mean? This is wifom but I wouldn’t have killed Sabie. I’d probably have killed Luna. She kept trying to lynch me in Flags even after I was mechanically confirmed. DDL’s treatment of her makes her look taf. She’s never going to give me credit for bussing DDL. Or maybe Leetic, who looked good after the DDL lynch and hinted PR.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:22 pmReasons to scumread Jack:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:00 pm It’s probably just Speed anyway. He admitted my behavior isn’t like SHP but his case is that I’m bussing just like SHP.
-Juliets kill (jack is like alternate universe me, and I'd have done that [yes I know I might get lynched for saying this])
-'Actually' tell
-Full DDL suspicion doesn't come until the day lingers on the two of them for a long time
-Most of the rest of the game is cleared on either not knowing the number of scum or having a plausible role or just being sexy like Nova
The case has never been that you're bussing like SHP.
Just that you're bussing.
That said, I'm at like 45% confidence, and it looks likely that D2 and D3 will be speed and jack lynches in some order. Maybe if we lynch you first the game will end??
But thanks for admitting you would kill Sabie as mafia.
-Actually tell is bullshit because the idea is that I was trying to discredit DDL and Juliets as fake or ridiculous...but you’re also saying I’m buddies with DDL.
A refresher on the nonsense you’re throwing at the wall, hoping it will stick. Btw, this came after both Leetic and I had pointed out DDL’s suspicion of me was fake and I was the counterwagon to the DDL lynch.
-This is false. I laid out my case on page 3. I voted second for DDL. My case came 28 posts after DDL voted for me and 14 posts after the first DDL vote from Leetic. There was no “lingering.”Spoiler: show
-Okay. Also a reason to suspect you.
-But it is. It’s all over the thread, especially from you.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:27 pm I was your first scumread in SHP. Your second post in that game was discrediting a (flimsy) townread of me.
I have no doubts that you would cut DDL's throat and toss his corpse under the bus if things started looking even slightly bad.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:24 pmBecause you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:19 pmTell me why DDL was lynched.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:18 pmFirst off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pmCause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 amExplain this.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.
I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.
Also Jack, could you give an example of his "doublespeak"? Help me see what you are seeing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:48 pmWhy?
He’s making arguments that rely on doublethink and he did not want to lynch DDL. He was pushing me even after Leet, Nova and me all pointed out how DDL’s suspicion of me was fake.
What has Speed done to make you think he’s town?
That was also the first true accusation made against you, I voted you D1 for itJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:53 pm The most recent true accusation made against me was that I said I didn’t like Nova’s posts on D0.
There’s lots of talk about how I shouldn’t get credit for this or that and there’s lots of accusations that were proven wrong by DDL’s flip but I don’t know why @Lunalee or @juliets or @novaselinenever suspect me.
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:18 pm @Jackofhearts2005, the reason why your timing on the DDL read looks bad to me is you seem to want to use your case to take credit for the DDL lynch when really you just added on to others suspicions. Your statement below, for example, about when you suspected DDL is misleading Imo because you don't talk about all the posts that came before yours and the timing, i.e. you didn't jump in until the next day. Maybe I'm wrongheaded but thats how I'm reading it.
You also indicated that speed was inconsistent in his case against you. His case and your response are below. I don't understand what you are saying is inconsistent. You deny that you would have killed sable, and as you point out that's wifom. You say the actually tell is bullshit because you were not trying to discredit me or DDL but you admitted elsewhere in the game that "The point is to figure out if you believe the things you’re saying." That sure looks like you were trying to discredit me.
So please, spell our for me why his case on you is inconsistent. I just don't understand that word in the context of his case.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:08 am-Sabie kill, you mean? This is wifom but I wouldn’t have killed Sabie. I’d probably have killed Luna. She kept trying to lynch me in Flags even after I was mechanically confirmed. DDL’s treatment of her makes her look taf. She’s never going to give me credit for bussing DDL. Or maybe Leetic, who looked good after the DDL lynch and hinted PR.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:22 pmReasons to scumread Jack:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:00 pm It’s probably just Speed anyway. He admitted my behavior isn’t like SHP but his case is that I’m bussing just like SHP.
-Juliets kill (jack is like alternate universe me, and I'd have done that [yes I know I might get lynched for saying this])
-'Actually' tell
-Full DDL suspicion doesn't come until the day lingers on the two of them for a long time
-Most of the rest of the game is cleared on either not knowing the number of scum or having a plausible role or just being sexy like Nova
The case has never been that you're bussing like SHP.
Just that you're bussing.
That said, I'm at like 45% confidence, and it looks likely that D2 and D3 will be speed and jack lynches in some order. Maybe if we lynch you first the game will end??
But thanks for admitting you would kill Sabie as mafia.
-Actually tell is bullshit because the idea is that I was trying to discredit DDL and Juliets as fake or ridiculous...but you’re also saying I’m buddies with DDL.
A refresher on the nonsense you’re throwing at the wall, hoping it will stick. Btw, this came after both Leetic and I had pointed out DDL’s suspicion of me was fake and I was the counterwagon to the DDL lynch.
-This is false. I laid out my case on page 3. I voted second for DDL. My case came 28 posts after DDL voted for me and 14 posts after the first DDL vote from Leetic. There was no “lingering.”Spoiler: show
-Okay. Also a reason to suspect you.
-But it is. It’s all over the thread, especially from you.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:27 pm I was your first scumread in SHP. Your second post in that game was discrediting a (flimsy) townread of me.
I have no doubts that you would cut DDL's throat and toss his corpse under the bus if things started looking even slightly bad.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:24 pmBecause you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:19 pmTell me why DDL was lynched.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:18 pmFirst off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pmCause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.
Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.
I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.
My argument wasn't contrived. It was correct. You and Leetic said the same thing. What are you talking about?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:24 pm DDL's flip hasn't proven anything wrong. I didn't like your entrance into the game and in light of DDL's flip I believe that your statement of "let's open with a pretend vote on DDL" was an act of distancing. Your argument with DDL was contrived on both sides, and this is something I noted D1 before both of your wagons started to grow. I think that DDL was trying to distance himself with you with his case/vote on you, and y'all tried to let it blow over. You only stroke back to him when Leet and I criticized him for the case and yourself had become a popular lynch target. That's why I don't feel like the DDL's lynch reflect all that great on you.
Your argument with DDL, as in the interactions you guys had about rvs, reaction votes bla bla bla lol.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:36 pmMy argument wasn't contrived. It was correct. You and Leetic said the same thing. What are you talking about?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:24 pm DDL's flip hasn't proven anything wrong. I didn't like your entrance into the game and in light of DDL's flip I believe that your statement of "let's open with a pretend vote on DDL" was an act of distancing. Your argument with DDL was contrived on both sides, and this is something I noted D1 before both of your wagons started to grow. I think that DDL was trying to distance himself with you with his case/vote on you, and y'all tried to let it blow over. You only stroke back to him when Leet and I criticized him for the case and yourself had become a popular lynch target. That's why I don't feel like the DDL's lynch reflect all that great on you.
I don't know what to tell you. He was all over a thing that is normal and I tried to feel him (and Juliets) out about this. Juliets understood what I was doing. DDL doubled down that I must be bad for it. It was dishonest. He was scum trying to get me lynched.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:40 pmYour argument with DDL, as in the interactions you guys had about rvs, reaction votes bla bla bla lol.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:36 pmMy argument wasn't contrived. It was correct. You and Leetic said the same thing. What are you talking about?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:24 pm DDL's flip hasn't proven anything wrong. I didn't like your entrance into the game and in light of DDL's flip I believe that your statement of "let's open with a pretend vote on DDL" was an act of distancing. Your argument with DDL was contrived on both sides, and this is something I noted D1 before both of your wagons started to grow. I think that DDL was trying to distance himself with you with his case/vote on you, and y'all tried to let it blow over. You only stroke back to him when Leet and I criticized him for the case and yourself had become a popular lynch target. That's why I don't feel like the DDL's lynch reflect all that great on you.
He's saying I'm scum for trying to discredit you and DDL. That's what he supposedly thought on D1 when he supposedly didn't know DDL was a wolf.juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:20 pmAlso Jack, could you give an example of his "doublespeak"? Help me see what you are seeing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:48 pmWhy?
He’s making arguments that rely on doublethink and he did not want to lynch DDL. He was pushing me even after Leet, Nova and me all pointed out how DDL’s suspicion of me was fake.
What has Speed done to make you think he’s town?