The Syndicate

I should have checked the vote count before asking that question

Now this is going to seem opportunistic

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 am #124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

This is... certainly bold

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:38 am Now this is going to seem opportunistic

No, it seems like you're skimming the thread in order to generate "look, I'm participating" talking points, but not really reading that closely, or trying to remember what you read.

Going out for a few hours. I have an image transfer class.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

I asked them to make a wallie about me first then vote me. Tsk Tsk.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:38 am Now this is going to seem opportunistic

No, it seems like you're skimming the thread in order to generate "look, I'm participating" talking points, but not really reading that closely, or trying to remember what you read.

Going out for a few hours. I have an image transfer class.

This was in reference to me asking you a question but I think I’m reading pretty well

Where is Vul and where is Arete to tell me things about Vul

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:45 am Marmot traditionally self-votes at the start, iirc. Just putting it out there, I don't see it as at all alignment-indicative. I understand it probably confuses most players here. I don't particularly condone it as useful or productive, I just remember it.

I have always found self votes scummy, but more often seen townie doing it. But regardless of alignment I hate the idea of self voting.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:50 am Where is Vul and where is Arete to tell me things about Vul

Yea yea yea

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:47 am

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:02 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm One of Alison - Vulgard is scum probably, do not like the syn votes on page 3.

Why are Alison and Vulgard not the same alignment?

They can easily be together, but there's a possibility of a confirmed mafia is higher.

I'm not quite understanding that last sentence, can you rephrase it?

Oh I explained a few posts after this, to Sloonei. Should I rephrase it again?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

Mac says they’re not reads they’re just comments, which is more or less accurate, but it means that then being off kilter is a ? Also, I have like three town reads. And we’re six hours into day 1.

24 hours + something sir!

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

??

Little happened between Vul saying "Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much." and then voting him.

Yes which is bad coming from vul tbh, cause last game he was doing quite the diggigg before coming to any conclusions or votes

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:52 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

Mac says they’re not reads they’re just comments, which is more or less accurate, but it means that then being off kilter is a ? Also, I have like three town reads. And we’re six hours into day 1.

24 hours + something sir!

Day’s 48 hours, ends 4 on Sunday?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:06 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

Who's scummy?

Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot

Why not nutella?

Nutella towncleared herself on page 6

Okay.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:55 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:52 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

Mac says they’re not reads they’re just comments, which is more or less accurate, but it means that then being off kilter is a ? Also, I have like three town reads. And we’re six hours into day 1.

24 hours + something sir!

Day’s 48 hours, ends 4 on Sunday?

Yeah but it started early I guess? It started around 5:30 pm yesterday, for me, it's 9:26 pm atm. Also I need to check the timing.

EoD at 6:30 am. I'm not even surprised.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:57 am EoD at 6:30 am. I'm not even surprised.

Are you in one of those “off a half hour” time zones

Tsp is just town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:58 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:57 am EoD at 6:30 am. I'm not even surprised.

Are you in one of those “off a half hour” time zones

Yessss! +5:30 GMT

anybody else have no idea what people mean by “townslipping” and “townclearing” ?

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:33 pm anybody else have no idea what people mean by “townslipping” and “townclearing” ?

If someone says something that makes them town and it's like non-game-related or in some other sense less than good information they've townslipped. Nutella and FG have done it. Townclearing is probably the act of finding people town.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?

Why are you Marmotvoting?

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] your reads so far seem to be going a bit against the grain. Does this matter or mean anything to you?

[mention]Poison[/mention] I am having a difficult time following your read on me. Could you talk about it some more?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 pm @TonyStarkPrime your reads so far seem to be going a bit against the grain. Does this matter or mean anything to you?

I don’t think there’s an established grain. I don’t think my reads go against any grain that could be established, except for TRing the Marmot who has two votes right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 pm @TonyStarkPrime your reads so far seem to be going a bit against the grain. Does this matter or mean anything to you?

I don’t think there’s an established grain. I don’t think my reads go against any grain that could be established, except for TRing the Marmot who has two votes right now.

You stated pretty soon after your arrival that no one has been towny/nearly everyone has been scummy. That's against the grain.

One of marmot's two votes is a self-vote. I wouldn't call a townread on him "against the grain."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:29 pm @Poison I am having a difficult time following your read on me. Could you talk about it some more?

No reads no you specifically just null rn.

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:33 pm anybody else have no idea what people mean by “townslipping” and “townclearing” ?

Yes if you like volleyball you are 100% town.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:29 pm @Poison I am having a difficult time following your read on me. Could you talk about it some more?

No reads no you specifically just null rn.

Why? You've made several comments which indicate that you have had thoughts about my alignment. Null reads are illegal. Am I town or mafia? Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 pm @TonyStarkPrime your reads so far seem to be going a bit against the grain. Does this matter or mean anything to you?

I don’t think there’s an established grain. I don’t think my reads go against any grain that could be established, except for TRing the Marmot who has two votes right now.

You stated pretty soon after your arrival that no one has been towny/nearly everyone has been scummy. That's against the grain.

One of marmot's two votes is a self-vote. I wouldn't call a townread on him "against the grain."

After being scum with him last game, this one feels pretty towny from him tbh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:51 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:29 pm @Poison I am having a difficult time following your read on me. Could you talk about it some more?

No reads no you specifically just null rn.

Why? You've made several comments which indicate that you have had thoughts about my alignment. Null reads are illegal. Am I town or mafia? Why?

Well, If there ain't no cops around, I wish to walk around for the day.

I have no reads on you, your volume is cool. You have been poking people as well, but I have not really find any thing towmy or scummy in particular so null for now.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:54 pm I have no reads on you, your volume is cool. You have been poking people as well, but I have not really find any thing towmy or scummy in particular so null for now.

*found.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Actually think I agree with this.

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

Maybe

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 pm @TonyStarkPrime your reads so far seem to be going a bit against the grain. Does this matter or mean anything to you?

I don’t think there’s an established grain. I don’t think my reads go against any grain that could be established, except for TRing the Marmot who has two votes right now.

You stated pretty soon after your arrival that no one has been towny/nearly everyone has been scummy. That's against the grain.

One of marmot's two votes is a self-vote. I wouldn't call a townread on him "against the grain."

Is it against the grain to not have a huge list of TRs? I think most people are in the same place I'm in, just expressed differently.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Actually think I agree with this.

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

Maybe

told them not to do it so badly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?

Why are you Marmotvoting?

Because I want Marmot to do something other than selfvote, although I suppose that me saying that now defeats the purpose of my vote.

Meh.

I'm not sure what to do about Poison. I'm in a weird situation here. I think her play this game has been close to her mafia play... in an off-site game I read, but NOT the last game I played with her here, when she was mafia and fooled me. I dislike the fact her reads seem rather forced, and she seems to be struggling to find her footing in this game. The biggest thing going for her right now is postcount, because it shows that she is not afraid of voicing her thoughts, but there hasn't really been anything in her posts that made me think "this must come from town." I'm also more paranoid of her scumgame after the last game we played.

Alison is town, because I think that her thought processes not only make perfect sense, but show a lack of TMI. I might be severely underestimating her scumgame, but I think the complexity of her thoughts would be difficult to replicate as mafia. I think that if she were mafia trying to fake these thoughts, the thoughts would make less sense. But what she is saying is cohesive, I understand where she is coming from (for the most part), and she is being fairly consistent. I wrote that I did not like her early townread on Long Con, and she mostly ignored it in a way I also found very towny. There is just this air of stubbornness and confidence around Alison which I really could hardly see as coming from mafia.

TSP is town because he's actually solving in this game and he wasn't really solving in his last one. Or at least, some of his posts looked like he was solving, which is a notable improvement in comparison to the last mafia game I have seen from him. That said, the read is getting weaker, because I'm starting to see him shift back to his "I do not actually care about solving" approach. I also find the lack of shitposting very odd. Could potentially be mafia overcompensating for how I caught him last game...?
For now, I think the differences are notable enough, and I think he still deserves a townread, but I can see a world where he's mafia trying to appease me specifically, since I caught him last game and got nightkilled right after. I didn't have 100% confidence in my last game read, but it was correct, and it makes sense for mafia!TSP to play specifically in a way to fool me here. Although, maybe I'm overestimating my potential impact.
I'm getting sidetracked. The conclusion here is that I'm still fairly confident TSP is town, but I do see a singular world where he's mafia. I don't really think he's mafia, though.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I'm not going to get anything from Marmot if they always selfvote like this. Would still like to see more than a selfvote, though.

By the way, @Enrique; how new are you to the game? Or did you already say it and I missed it? There's a read I have on you which only applies in case you answer in a specific way. I'm not saying what it is yet.

Like I don't SR everyone just everyone's pinged me

We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Actually think I agree with this.

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

Maybe

1. Pretty sure Alison's town.
2. If Alison's apparently a good wolf, I'd assume her distancing would be better than this.

What do you think?

though the one on marmot doesnt count

nice was just about to ask vul about Alison

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

And that matters... why? What do you think this means about my alignment? Or Alison's alignment, or Poison's?
This comment looks really random. Why does this matter to you?

@Sloonei Have you explained why you're voting Mac at any point?

I need to learn how to use mentions here.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] this should work. Why are you voting Mac?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

Isn't your vote on LC the second vote as well, come to think of it?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

And that matters... why? What do you think this means about my alignment? Or Alison's alignment, or Poison's?
This comment looks really random. Why does this matter to you?

It feels like you don't know where to go. You make big long posts with every vote, don't say anything about them, then switch your vote later after not getting any traction. That's wolfy but it might also be "I'm in a game where I've played with three people and I don't have Arete" and I need to find some footing. I think it disaligns you and Alison, says nothing else.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:39 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 am #124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

This is... certainly bold

Bold how?

Like it doesn't matter that it's the second vote, it matters that it's a case on someone who someone else has expressed a sr of with reasoning that I expect you not to follow up on

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:07 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:39 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 am #124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

This is... certainly bold

Bold how?

cause I put it in bold.

Because Syn's take was essentially identical to the line below it, no?