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I understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
I think you need real content.
What changed in your willingness to share your reads?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 amwhat specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
i got the reactions that i wanted. it felt a little mean to continue hiding my reads when my refusal to out them had become a focal point of conversation, and when it was directly annoying someone that i had started townreading from it (foresight)Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:51 amI think you need real content.
Let's pretend LC isn't in the game. Who are you looking at?
What changed in your willingness to share your reads?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 amwhat specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
It is a question I asked as well.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 amwhat specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
the progression went like:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:55 amIt is a question I asked as well.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 amwhat specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
First, you teased the two town reads. Then you revealed that I was one of them. You also suggested that you’d been hesitant or unwilling to announce a town read on me just a few minutes earlier.
What happened in between that made you go from “I don’t want to reveal my town read on Sloonei” to “I better announce my town read on Sloonei”?
What reactions did you get and what did you learn from them? So this was a premeditated move?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:54 ami got the reactions that i wanted. it felt a little mean to continue hiding my reads when my refusal to out them had become a focal point of conversation, and when it was directly annoying someone that i had started townreading from it (foresight)Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:51 amI think you need real content.
Let's pretend LC isn't in the game. Who are you looking at?
What changed in your willingness to share your reads?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 amwhat specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
are you wolf that's piggybacking off of sloonei's argument
lol I seeUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 amVault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him
I was intrigued by the faction setup. And also here to celebrate your glory.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:10 pm And Spacedaisy! Wow. What's the occasion. Are you all here to celebrate my glory?
Not me
I did when I hit this post, and I like your look. Townlean.
Agreed.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:34 pm Epi I love your gimmicks please never stop doing them I find them deeply entertaining
I do too, not because I think what he said was town, but rather because it's needlessly complicated. Unless this was an openly known thing between you two or in a previous game thread had been discussed, this makes Sloonei look town. No read on you though. I found that whole, "guess why these are my reads" thing kind of useless. It literally just made me skip over your reads. I frequently read people based on how they arrive at their reads, not just unexplained reads. So it did nothing for me either way. Also it looked to me like the only conversation it started was, "You tell me first," "No you tell me first," and I skipped most of that.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:46 pmnah sadly, it was in the ballpark, but it wasn't The Thing
i actually do think his concerns are towny though
I feel this way too. Esooa basically was all serious and then pointed suspicion at LC for being serious (despite the fact LC had started the game making jokes about a Mason poly relationship)... um what?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:57 pm Like I think Esooa's scumread of LC is contrived and then the fact that they move from that to an associative scumread of Sloonei for townreading LC feels even more contrived
Welcome back!But also like, general reactions to the lc wagon look like those you'd expect of a town wagon, but like lc isn't town so he must be alt-scumUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 amVault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him
what
Do you find it important that I apply pressure to an inconsistency I see to see someone's motivations?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:57 amthe progression went like:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:55 amIt is a question I asked as well.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 amwhat specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concernDom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 amI understand and am not communicating clearly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 amTo clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.
I still don't get it.
First, you teased the two town reads. Then you revealed that I was one of them. You also suggested that you’d been hesitant or unwilling to announce a town read on me just a few minutes earlier.
What happened in between that made you go from “I don’t want to reveal my town read on Sloonei” to “I better announce my town read on Sloonei”?
-i wanted to share that i had specific townreads, but i didn't want to state the names for a plurality of reasons
-i got a lot of reactions, discussions, and provocation from my choice to not share the names
-i decided to share the names
the focus on this specific progression on me is weirding me out a bit tbh, but i don't think it's inherently scummy. it just feels nitpicky
I live in a different reality than you folks.
There is nothing that LC never is.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird
He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1
don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo
He was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 amlol I seeUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 amVault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him
You're that confident on c4?
it's the impression I've gotten from playing 3 town games with himSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:05 amThere is nothing that LC never is.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird
He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1
don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo
I didn't even realize he self voted lolUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:05 amHe was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 amlol I seeUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 amVault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him
You're that confident on c4?
I do not feel any of this is necessarily indicative of a big bad wolf.Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:05 amHe was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 amlol I seeUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 amVault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him
You're that confident on c4?
i've played one wolf game and one town game w/long con, and in both cases, he had a lot of apathy/detachment from the general gamestateEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird
He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1
don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo
little bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird
He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1
don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo
whatUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:05 amHe was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 amlol I seeUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 amVault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him
You're that confident on c4?
OK- let me accept this for a moment.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -
i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already
my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame
those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had
i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result
Awe shucksNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:13 am Holy shit spacedaisy in this game
Hell yeah
@Dom does the fact you did similar things to my "buddying" change your mind about it at all? I saw you make friendly comments towards both myself and spf for saying this so I figured I'd return it
Are you always this lazy?
I haven't viewed lc as particularly serious this game.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:09 ami've played one wolf game and one town game w/long con, and in both cases, he had a lot of apathy/detachment from the general gamestateEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird
He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1
don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo
the difference in his play in this game is certainly stark, but i don't think that starkness is inherently alignment indicative. i actually quite like his tone even if it's distinct from how i've seen him play in the past
OK. Specific role based jokes threw me off there. This may be that we have very different backgrounds in this game.
I agree on that.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:16 amI'm honestly a real slight bad lean, just because I have to agree that the one accusation really did look like a reach. I'd rather keep my eye on him than get too comfortable with him.
i've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:13 amOK- let me accept this for a moment.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -
i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already
my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame
those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had
i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result
Why so defensive about it? Can you explain why my prodding became an accusation you made?
Ya i went back to reread and there was less pressure there than i remembered, just alison and kza throwing out maf reads. I still generally don't love self votes tho, they feel real "jajaja i am so unphazed by suspicion on me, i am treating it as a joke". The quick switch off himself and onto another joke vote felt off to me as well, like a distancing vote bc it felt like he felt the need to change it or something idk.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:11 amlittle bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really
That being said he has a few off things in his ISO. Mostly, I disagree his response to SPF was towny. It felt overly emotional in a performative way, similar feeling I've gotten from a couple of his other posts. I've played with c4 a couple times but tbh never paid particular attention to him (lol at this because I do remember the most previous game he said people don't pay him much attention), so I'll probably read those some time to see if he's normally overly emotive but I don't remember him being so day 1?
Also didn't like the way he responded to my question of "if you care about thread discussion so much why didn't you ask me about my read;" he said it was obvious and he didn't need to question me about it, then said he thought the read I was talking about was on Falcon not KZA and to give him a sec, then never actually talked about it again
Do i need to use a larger font or smthgdom wrote:what
my signature was on trend when i was last active k
I was not actually misunderstanding. I was miscommunicating. I knew what sloonei meant. I just didn't express myself correctly. I stated this, however, very clearly.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 ami've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:13 amOK- let me accept this for a moment.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -
i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already
my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame
those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had
i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result
Why so defensive about it? Can you explain why my prodding became an accusation you made?
i asked you that question because your progression toward me rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. you came into the thread with a piggyback of a suspicion that sloonei had already outed - but then you misunderstood the reasons for his suspicion, and then still doubled down even when you got corrected. when i paired that with the fact that i felt i had already gone into detail about that progression already, it made me concerned that your scumhunting was coming from a shallow place. it wasn't an actual scumread though - moreso just me getting pinged in the moment and wanting to see how you reacted to shade
act i: spaghetti meet wallUrist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 amYa i went back to reread and there was less pressure there than i remembered, just alison and kza throwing out maf reads. I still generally don't love self votes tho, they feel real "jajaja i am so unphazed by suspicion on me, i am treating it as a joke". The quick switch off himself and onto another joke vote felt off to me as well, like a distancing vote bc it felt like he felt the need to change it or something idk.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:11 amlittle bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really
That being said he has a few off things in his ISO. Mostly, I disagree his response to SPF was towny. It felt overly emotional in a performative way, similar feeling I've gotten from a couple of his other posts. I've played with c4 a couple times but tbh never paid particular attention to him (lol at this because I do remember the most previous game he said people don't pay him much attention), so I'll probably read those some time to see if he's normally overly emotive but I don't remember him being so day 1?
Also didn't like the way he responded to my question of "if you care about thread discussion so much why didn't you ask me about my read;" he said it was obvious and he didn't need to question me about it, then said he thought the read I was talking about was on Falcon not KZA and to give him a sec, then never actually talked about it again
c4 reads like a bit of a spaz, not sure i would put much stock into how emotive his posts are, that is probably nai for him (altho i don't have meta there so)
to this post. Big yuck!