The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:58 pm IME, player's who are overly concerned about why they're seen as suspicious come from a wolf mindset, especially when it's the first mention of them being sus.


Most of the time town aren't that concerned about being seen as suspicious by 1 player, they just go about their game and carry on. Perhaps if the sus keeps building from other players they'll react, but off 1 player? Not so much. Wolves on the other hand are often worried about being seen as sus

To me it was more a word choice thing. Town is more liable to ask "why are you scumreading me?" because their thought process is fixated on you. They want to know if your scumread on them is pure, if you have legitimate motivations. Scum is more likely to ask, "what did I do that was suspicious?" almost like asking "how did you know" or "where did I let it slip?" They're more focused in understanding what you dislike about them so they can fix it and get back in your good books, and aren't as fixated on you because they already know your alignment.

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:00 pm

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:19 pm Falcon and Lime Coke are partners.

Creature should either stop signing up for games with a soup kill or stop complaining about the soup kill.

yep

i mean, maybe their interactions are a little *too* bad looking to be partnered but im picking up what ur putting down

Do you think Falcon is the kind of player who sees Alison attack his buddy and goes "yep, it's time to bus"?

I don't.

I rescind that read. I forgot he actually fooled me in Bee Mafia with a bus on BK that looked like he was trying to CFD a townie.

Still think they don't look particularly partnered.

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:00 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:57 pm

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:53 pm like alison will find it wolfy but to me it just comes across as like insecure

i wouldnt say insecure i'm literally just trying to joke and be playful but it's too srs here i think for that

Because people here are boring as hell apparently.

but after jack town im burned out on being serious and tryharding, it's not worth it..

but i also dont wanna be lhf/easy ml aaaa choices, choices..

You've expressed the sentiment of not wanting to be LHF a few times. Why? There's some suspicion thrown at you, but for everyone who thinks you're scum, someone else has a strong townread on you. The latest page of discussion has been primarily fixated on Lime Coke, with a dash of Falcon, not you. Why so worried about being ML'ed 5 pages into the game?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:01 pm When she voted me I ignored and and went on. The she literally mentioned me a second time, and said "there's no momentum on this wagon" after like...10 minutes? Why would I not just ask why while I'm here posting?

Am I supposed to ignore it? The fuck kind of logic is that?

Multiple players posted after I expressed initial suspicion on you.

None of them acknowledged that suspicion.

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:05 pm honey i will defend u with my life dw about being a ml

One of the reasons you thought honey was town was that you thought she was trying to bait mafia into unsuccessfully soupkilling her. Does her saying it was just a joke and she never intended for anyone to take it seriously change that read at all?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:20 pm Or you're just an idiot that's coming up with excuses to scumread me instead of using actual fucking logic.

Caught for the wrong reasons.

How do you know Falcon is an "idiot" (presumably misguided town) as opposed to a wolf looking for an easy misexe on you LC?

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:27 pm In the game i played w TH before where she was scum I dont think she tried to actively move any foses off town and I dont think scum would do that this early into the game either. I genuinely do not see an evil motive in doing that when I was afk and many knives were at my neck she didn't wait to see if i could put up a good defense on myself (like if i was lhf or not)which is how i would expect scum to play, she did it proactively because she read for my intentions.

Strange read. Surely you've seen white knighting scum before.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:51 pm

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:50 pm his vote on me was so bad and i will have trouble ever moving past it now

hollowkatt making votes that tilt ppl is towny

True.

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:50 pm mansnicks, Michelle, HK, falcon all town

honey is >rand scum but for #60, not for the N0 claim.

[VOTE: honey] aubergine

Ur town but I think honey and falcon are wrong reads here the rest are aces

idk alison has the vibes that i would expect them to have a stronger or better presence as town tbh
idk their meta at all but they give me power town and power wolf energy so i'm still waiting

1) I was sleeping.

2) "I think they would have a stronger presence as town" vs "they give me power wolf energy" don't really make sense together.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:23 pm Okay why the hell is mansnicks getting so many townreads? His start was awkward af and he hasn't got much better. Lots of "solvy" posts that get stuck.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 49#p826249

MacDougall enters the thread, says "Alison is locktown", and proceeds to hard align with me on reads, especially on the reads I feel most strongly about (LC scum, mansnicks town). If he is scum he is almost certainly bussing here and targeting me specifically with the pocket. If he is town then us aligning on reads means we're probably just correct. Example of this happening are: Radiohead, Fargo, PercyKate Crossover, the list goes on.

Either way you should sheep us on LC.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:30 pm Basic ass reads while I wait around, TH is getting passes for not much.

Lime Coke aggro seems unfounded on a kinda meh opening.

Mac always seems town early although normally he likes to tr me more early so idk what's up with that.

Mansnicks getting a pass for trying very hard to derptell is such a ??? for me?

Who's giving TH a pass?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:05 pm Seanzie
tsp
honey
Alison
th
hk

these are all town. get on this wavelength.

Yuck

Tho I agree with honey. Shes lookin pretty good in terms of vibe.

The other ones are too sure. You best take off your fur coat

I really dislike this post. You've played with Mac before, you know this is how he operates. It's strange to accuse Mac of being too confident in his early reads for forming a towncore, and it reeks of being upset that he's clearing too many people.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm At the moment, falcon is my strongest scumread but none of my townreads are voting there and some even townread them so I'm hesitant on that front.

Who are your townreads?

Does Dolby have a habit of opening games with giant walls of text?

listo95 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:46 am Also doing this for now to make him appear

[VOTE: CerealLord] aubergine

You have five posts in the game, haven't caught up or talked to anyone yet, but you're already pressuring inactives so they'll show up?

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:55 am i am willing to accept scotty and dolbys meta on hk

when i re-read his first sus and vote on me (again over a joke -__-) i think it's annoying but i think his tone & the way he says it sounds more like villager perspective idk

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:23 am
[VOTE: HONEY] aubergine
N0 doesn't exist, sorry about your rand

now to move on to the next slot

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Did you mean someone else? The only meta I have on hollowkatt is that they cough up hairballs and scratch shit up

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:06 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:05 pm Seanzie
tsp
honey
Alison
th
hk

these are all town. get on this wavelength.

Yuck

Tho I agree with honey. Shes lookin pretty good in terms of vibe.

The other ones are too sure. You best take off your fur coat

I really dislike this post. You've played with Mac before, you know this is how he operates. It's strange to accuse Mac of being too confident in his early reads for forming a towncore, and it reeks of being upset that he's clearing too many people.

I agree that it reeks- I don’t usually like when people come out blessing more people than the pope. Which is why I am more sus of, say, Triple. Mac’s gonna Mac on d1, that’s a given.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm [VOTE: The Cereal King] aubergine

Using one of my posts to bring this back since it wasn’t on the last vote tally, oh host.

Is it because I didn’t use his real name?
[VOTE: CerealLord] aubergine
How’s that?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

Honey getting n1 votes is a honeypot of wolf votes. There is zero benefit for town voting there. She is never getting a n1 cap on this website.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 am Honey getting n1 votes is a honeypot of wolf votes. There is zero benefit for town voting there. She is never getting a n1 cap on this website.

Explain your reasoning. Is it because she’s a newcomer?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

I've never seen Ender wolf but based on what I know of his personality and town play I am inclined to think he would be a powerwolf who openly defended teammates and attacked townies if he randed wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 am Honey getting n1 votes is a honeypot of wolf votes. There is zero benefit for town voting there. She is never getting a n1 cap on this website.

Good take.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 am Honey getting n1 votes is a honeypot of wolf votes. There is zero benefit for town voting there. She is never getting a n1 cap on this website.

Explain your reasoning. Is it because she’s a newcomer?

It's because there are a bunch of people who suspect her still and the Syndicate meta trends towards killing aggressive town leaders, which she is not. Sloonei, JJJ, Mac, Esooa - these are all classic Syndicate N1 kills.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:36 am I agree that it reeks- I don’t usually like when people come out blessing more people than the pope. Which is why I am more sus of, say, Triple. Mac’s gonna Mac on d1, that’s a given.

That's what Mac does in many games though. It's not super AI for him.

Speaking of blessings. Who's your top townread and why?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

I've never seen Ender wolf but based on what I know of his personality and town play I am inclined to think he would be a powerwolf who openly defended teammates and attacked townies if he randed wolf.

How do you read Honey's townreading of LC?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:46 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:36 am I agree that it reeks- I don’t usually like when people come out blessing more people than the pope. Which is why I am more sus of, say, Triple. Mac’s gonna Mac on d1, that’s a given.

That's what Mac does in many games though. It's not super AI for him.

Speaking of blessings. Who's your top townread and why?

Yea I don’t suspect him in a large capacity because I agree that he does this every d1. But I’m not calling him town for it.

Top townread? Probably honey- not because of the content of her posts, but the content of her character.

Hollowkatt seems to be a town voice.

bullshit lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:53 am bullshit lol

No, macshit

Your townreads are just bullshit dude.

Guess what comes next?

You guessed it!

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:54 am Your townreads are just bullshit dude.

They usually are on D1. Have you played with me before?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

I've never seen Ender wolf but based on what I know of his personality and town play I am inclined to think he would be a powerwolf who openly defended teammates and attacked townies if he randed wolf.

How do you read Honey's townreading of LC?

The meta defenses ping me as possibly W/W. When one wolf has to defend another (and the wolves can't really afford to bus if two members have come under fire so fast) and the other wolf has done nothing actually townie (which LC hasn't) then they often resort to "they're in their town meta, trust me".

The exception is this particular line:

i thought lime and th's motives were pure so i tred them for defending me

Which doesn't read like a wolf talking about their buddy. This reads like genuine gratefulness that someone stepped up to the plate to defend them. I'm not sure I see anywhere that honey TMIs LC or the other way around though.

Now unless Guillo changed the rules from the signups to this thread,

Minimum Posts: 10 posts within the first 24 hours of every day phase.

We about to have some shit go down in 2 hours if the following people don’t post more:
-Creature
-Listo
-osie
-lost monkey
-garden gnome
-cereal

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:01 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:23 pm Okay why the hell is mansnicks getting so many townreads? His start was awkward af and he hasn't got much better. Lots of "solvy" posts that get stuck.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 49#p826249

I can accept this read.

Maybe she just has a good read on LC and Ender has tmi. That was what gave me pause on just going with Ender and LC w/w. Certainly not all three wolves right?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:04 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:30 pm Basic ass reads while I wait around, TH is getting passes for not much.

Lime Coke aggro seems unfounded on a kinda meh opening.

Mac always seems town early although normally he likes to tr me more early so idk what's up with that.

Mansnicks getting a pass for trying very hard to derptell is such a ??? for me?

Who's giving TH a pass?

Honey and Mac had weird trs thrown out there for TH. Off the top of my head. I feel like there were others but I'd have to check.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:01 am Maybe she just has a good read on LC and Ender has tmi. That was what gave me pause on just going with Ender and LC w/w. Certainly not all three wolves right?

You're right that they probably aren't all wolves. Very few wolf teams have the cojones to play like that while under fire and Ender/honey/LC is not one of them. (No offense meant.)

Not sure who the most likely town in those three would be. Probably Ender is the towniest individually.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:11 am Does Dolby have a habit of opening games with giant walls of text?

Yes.

I think Ender would have LC wolfy if he was town. I have no evidence to back it up. I just feel like he and I see the same sort of things.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:53 pm
hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

I've never seen Ender wolf but based on what I know of his personality and town play I am inclined to think he would be a powerwolf who openly defended teammates and attacked townies if he randed wolf.

Lmao. I'd like to say you're wrong but I have done that. I have a famous bus game back in the old days tho.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:01 am Maybe she just has a good read on LC and Ender has tmi. That was what gave me pause on just going with Ender and LC w/w. Certainly not all three wolves right?

Or maybe we both just found him towny?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:06 am I think Ender would have LC wolfy if he was town. I have no evidence to back it up. I just feel like he and I see the same sort of things.

I mean previous encounter was w/t in ATLA but we do have some similar views.

That being said we also disagree on a few reads I think. Also I think LC's aggressive response to Alison comes more town than not.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:01 am Maybe she just has a good read on LC and Ender has tmi. That was what gave me pause on just going with Ender and LC w/w. Certainly not all three wolves right?

You're right that they probably aren't all wolves. Very few wolf teams have the cojones to play like that while under fire and Ender/honey/LC is not one of them. (No offense meant.)

Not sure who the most likely town in those three would be. Probably Ender is the towniest individually.

I'd have to rand wolf with honey/LC to find that out tbh. I certainly can say I'd do it, but I think I am much more comfortable taking aggression than most players.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:00 am Now unless Guillo changed the rules from the signups to this thread,

Minimum Posts: 10 posts within the first 24 hours of every day phase.

We about to have some shit go down in 2 hours if the following people don’t post more:
-Creature
-Listo
-osie
-lost monkey
-garden gnome
-cereal

Hi, I'm here. Was having serious issues reading the computer screen last night. I was seeing everything double. That was not conducive to reading a mafia game. So I stopped and went to sleep. Here I am now. I'm going to try to comment on posts and to share a few impressions. I'm kind of behind so please bear with me.