Game of Champions: West Facility (Night 2)

[Caitlin]

Good Morning, West Facility!

My my, you guys are chatty!

No no, we rlly arent sob

[Caitlin]

Bit of reading through D1 here as well.

Still not liking leetic. Every point of reply oozing aggro. Is this an MO - and if so, which way leaning AI-wise? Pondered whether groupings are balanced, only to come with three quarters wolf GTH reads.

Wondered why TSP's sole game-focused point thus far was on Epignosis.

It's leetic

It's nai

This feels like town Abbi

But also it's sus

I wanna town core Caitlin so bad but I'm trying to be more cautious with them aaaaaaa

Are you trying to pocket me babe?

Meh fuck it

Town Core.

Porscha
Epi
Caitlin
Seanzie

Can you please explain... All four for me?

[Caitlin]

Wait I'm still catching up on only pg3

Wtf I'm slow

[Caitlin]

I don't think wolf you just goes yes know what fuck it I just threw a gift at someone I'd want to irl with no regard for gamestate or how it would effect it

Why wouldn't wolf!Sean do that

Wolf!Sean needs to give someone a gift too, and it's a quick-to-think-of reason

caught up \o/ kinda

I think so far Abi is fine, Epi is fine, LC is probably? fine, Ricochet is probably fine & Porscha is probably fine

Maybe a little much this early? But rolling with it anyway \o/ nothing solid reasoning wise but more 'idk feels fine' so

Elaborate on Epi and Ricochet, @Delta? Plz uwu?

And here I was...

...rejoicing at not having to look at 81+ posts of cartoons that could get me arrested in some jurisdictions....

...only to realize I was looking at the wrong list of names.

Let’s be real this is the superior half of the game

Rip the east side they’ll probably have a million fluff posts and Gullio/Allison flaming each other over some nonsense (no offense when you eventually read this )

@sig where are you?

[Delta]

Hihi, here for a lil bit o/

Would add Cait to my earlier townreads, was a bit hesitant considering the clash between Abi/Cait in N0 when it came to their reads but ultimately think they're both town

Otherwise think my list of townies remains the same?

What do you think of Me vs LC?

Think you're both fine for different reasons, v/v maybe? Individually I think my townread on LC is stronger, havent looked too much into you ;_; sorry

Run me through why there is a you vs LC to begin with? \o/

The relevant quote chain is like 5 posts ago.

Are you reading the game?

Was mainly focused on the prior pages & then when I posted ab Cait forgot to grab the top of this one ;_; will go through it now

[Caitlin]

Anyway, I wonder if we're split randomly or if there's a balance in some way. In Severance, it was pretty clear that there'd likely be an even amount of wolves on both sides for the most part (although PRs were pretty skewed) but I'm not sure that holds up here.

I know this was answered, but I’d assume an equal or near equal amount of mafia in both threads and everything else is random.

If it’s multiball I’d say each team is split, but until we have some proof of that I’ll pretend it doesn’t exist

I bet it's random

No need not to; as long as there's 2+ evil in each chat there should be things to solve, and assuming 8-10 scum the chance of one group only getting 0 or 1 is... Totally low

I’m liking Abigail posts even though she’s creating a town core

That's just Abbi

Ultra cute, and makes town cores

I’m eyeing Daisy right now, her play style right now reminds me of muppets, where she was present but a bit flatflooted being mafia.

But Daisy isn't rlly present here

[Caitlin]

Omg hi Delta

[Delta]

& for @Caitlin in the meantime \o/

Epi kinda just feels like normal Epi to me, cant really put that one into words more than just 'he seems as Epi-ish as usual'

& for Ricochet, I liked their prodding of the game, feels like they're getting into things and comes across like they're genuinely solving compared to just throwing things out for the sake of it. Developed a little more now than when I posted that initially but I think the basis for it remains the same

[Delta]

Omg hi Delta

hihi o/

where's your head at roughly right now?

[Caitlin]

HI

IM HERE

TO KILL MAFIA

WITH MY

PUPPY POWER

YEAH!!!!

Should I tunnel you again?

Lol

Depending on what Scrappy does next this slot can go tbh

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Based on his suspicion of you, for saying you would have to read and try?

No. I remembered that I found him sus D0. He doesn't have any of the sharpness that town!Falcon has. Town!Falcon will make plenty of fluffy posts, but will also interject with some pointed, mildly aggressive questions and observations. Scum!Falcon doesn't do that second part, and I didn't see any of that D0. Today, him voting me without pushing or real reason just corroborates this view.

I have both you and Falcon as nullscum honestly

But I kinda have that with Falcon every game...

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Based on his suspicion of you, for saying you would have to read and try?

No. I remembered that I found him sus D0. He doesn't have any of the sharpness that town!Falcon has. Town!Falcon will make plenty of fluffy posts, but will also interject with some pointed, mildly aggressive questions and observations. Scum!Falcon doesn't do that second part, and I didn't see any of that D0. Today, him voting me without pushing or real reason just corroborates this view.

You said there weren't any players you had feelings about in this...side game? I don't know what to call where we are now






I also recall you stating N0 you found me wolfy







Why did you lie?

Well if you read the post







You would see that Seanzie mentioned only just having remembered the sus






So how do you know it isnt a lie and not just forgetfulness?

[Sloonei]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

[Caitlin]

& for @Caitlin in the meantime \o/

Epi kinda just feels like normal Epi to me, cant really put that one into words more than just 'he seems as Epi-ish as usual'

& for Ricochet, I liked their prodding of the game, feels like they're getting into things and comes across like they're genuinely solving compared to just throwing things out for the sake of it. Developed a little more now than when I posted that initially but I think the basis for it remains the same

I guess I did sus Epi last game too so I suppose I can follow you on Epi being Epi-ish

When you said it it rlly just felt like Ricochet was only throwing things out for the sake for it though... Name one thing in their first observations lists that to you seems like getting into things. Picking a null read isn't allowed!

[Caitlin]

Omg hi Delta

hihi o/

where's your head at roughly right now?

My head is at having way too many SRs lmao

But Sloonei and Leetic I think are the most sus

But if I had to guess, I'd say this chat has more scum than the other one

[Caitlin]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

I agree with you but the first part makes me sus you even more ngl >.<

[Caitlin]

Scrappy, tell us about yourself

Dog

Bark

Bruh all these slots can go D1

Why use the term LAMIST if you dislike it, especially to describe a post that is borderline LAMIST?

Falcon feels like theyre just constantly attacking things that arent sus






Or even townie

I suspect the other thread is lapping us in terms of post count.

Hmmmmm...do post count, or post quality matter more?






This feels like posting for the sake of posting

The post quality at this point however






Also surely has been lapped by the other thread





Postcount aside

[Caitlin]

So for example, me taking the time to explain all that when I said I didnt have time and also didn't create content, was probably LAMIST

So is this acknowledgement

Not to OMGUS, okay I'm gonna OMGUS, but this is another clear example of Falcon coming for things that aren't sus in the slightest

My friends are coming over today cuz it was my bday two days ago so I wont rlly be here today sorry

So do we all think the Secret Santa thing is positive? If so, any thoughts on me giving mine to Cape? I townread Cape & WWA the most on the other side and afaik WWA is a pretty controversial one making me lead towards giving it to Cape

I'd call this the right kind of reason to give someone a Secret Santa.

Thank youuuuu

And here I was...

...rejoicing at not having to look at 81+ posts of cartoons that could get me arrested in some jurisdictions....

...only to realize I was looking at the wrong list of names.

Let’s be real this is the superior half of the game

Rip the east side they’ll probably have a million fluff posts and Gullio/Allison flaming each other over some nonsense (no offense when you eventually read this )

Wait, is it stated that the other players are in the East Side?






How do we know it's not North, or South, or not even a compass direction at all?

And yet another

My vote can go here

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[leetic]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

[Caitlin]

Like look at the things Falcon is accusing

Is anything they're accusing actually sus...?

[Long Con]

I don't expect people who actually suspect me to give neutral judgements of my arguments.

Why not? You think that the response to every defense a player gives has to be either "ok, I believe you're town" or "I don't believe you, you're a wolf"?

First, your answer set me back on my heels a little. "Am I the asshole here, he said I'm making stuff up instead of reading his words, I am guilty of not fully reading Night 0, maybe I'm being ignorant here." So I didn't feel enthusiastic about pushing harder if that was the case.

You then clarified that you're not saying the two accusations were the same, ok, fair... but you still said one corroborated the other, which implies a level of cohesion to things that I don't think is there.

So yeah, I didn't continue the conversation. There was lots of time left in the day.

Your acknowledgement ended our conversation, presumably in a way you felt satisfied with, but then you kept pushing the idea of scum!me in the thread with information that predated my explanation.

Is that what I did? I didn't keep pushing you at all, why would you say that??

Epignosis said he didn't know why I had voted you. I gave a quick synopsis of why.

You're now claiming your thoughts of me were waning (I actually upon reflection think this is quite a bad look, the "I was faltering on you, but now that you're pushing back, I'm back to it" doesn't look good IMO), but I don't see any indication of reflection from you, just a reluctance to keep actively pushing me while still talking about me to others.

"Indication of reflection"? "reluctance to keep actively pushing me"?? Dude, what are you even talking about, this is not real talk.

So, let's have a real look at this.

I vote you, and say the reasons why. You respond, and I say 'fine'. I don't keep pushing you. I talk about other things. My suspicion wanes a little - maybe I was basing my analysis of falcon off D1 and you were more N0. Maybe we don't view the word "corroborate" the same; maybe I'm being pedantic and I picked up the wrong vibe.

A day later, Epi asks why I voted you. I tell him. You interject with a disparaging metaphor about my reasons.

I take the disparagement as an indicator that you are stressed about my opinion of you, and I let you know. I also tell you my suspicion has waned.

Here's where things get weird. In the same post, you just accused me "you kept pushing the idea of scum!me in the thread" and said I have "a reluctance to keep actively pushing [you]". Neither of those things are true, and they contradict each other.

I did not keep pushing you in the thread, not because I was "reluctant", but because my suspicion was waning. Like I said. One might even say that a lack of pushing you might be an "indication of reflection" if you think about it.

The initial "I'm curious" line was to bait you into continuing to interact with me, but you didn't bite. Are you always so hands-off with people you suspect?

Ok, I thought that we were interacting at the time of that interaction. If you want to play coy word games, that's fine, but I might not always be in the mood, especially during times like these when you're somewhat frustrating me with the things that you ARE saying plainly.

Am I "hands-off"? I don't know, but I'm always open to understanding more about how I play, so you are welcome to look further into this idea.

The "I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about." was both wordplay and a point - you not following up with me after that does not put a good taste in my mouth. I would expect a townie to either tunnel in or show clear reflection and progression, not to feel like they wanted out of the conversation.

Out of the...? I wasn't aware that I gave that impression. I think you should expect Long Con to play like Long Con, and not toss out an arbitrary "No True Scotsman" about what townies do or don't do.

I feel like you wanted me to be a suspect, then when people like Sloonei and TSP weren't really biting, you perhaps "waned" in that you decided I wasn't a viable push, but then when I didn't let your push on me go, you've had to backtrack to pushing it again. Perhaps this lacks a bit of generosity towards a potential town!LC world, but I think this narrative makes sense in a wolf!LC world.

Why Sloonei and TSP? Did I try to get them to vote you?

This last paragraph is goofy. You should have quit while you were ahead, Seanzie, all these words here just made me much more suspicious of you than I was when I put the initial vote on.

[Caitlin]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

Why do I suddenly have an idea you two are distancing scum lol

[Caitlin]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine




Sean, Sloon are also good candidates. Imma look into the East Side thing, Sig may have slipped

Actually voting based on this now

This has gotta just be an evil right

p#210 more pointless shade at something that ain't sus and that while I literally scumread Sloonei

Well boys, I guess that cracks the 15-year cold case of the East Facility! Thanks for everyone's hard work, and let's raise a drink to those that didn't make it.

Lmaoooooo

[leetic]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

Why do I suddenly have an idea you two are distancing scum lol

"Suddenly"? Weren't you trying to argue we both were wolves earlier? This feels contrived

[Caitlin]

Oh the post link didnt work oopsie

[Caitlin]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

Why do I suddenly have an idea you two are distancing scum lol

"Suddenly"? Weren't you trying to argue we both were wolves earlier? This feels contrived

Mhm, I accused you two individually

Individual reads =/= team reads but sure you can pretend they are

[Caitlin]

Falcon or Leetic should go Day oneeeeeeeeeee

[leetic]

Why am I being accused of distancing with everyone I have a negative interaction with lol

[Caitlin]

It is very reasonable to assume that the rest of the players are in a parallel thread called "East Facility". Sure, we don't know that that's what it's called. But it's the most intuitive name for us to assign to it while we're here.

Is this to say that it is not posted or referenced by Mods the others in are in the East Facility?







I also fail to understand the preoccupation w/ people who aren't here.






How does it benefit us at all to worry about things we have no control or influence over?







Unless some of us do

Post 210

[Sloonei]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

[Caitlin]

Why am I being accused of distancing with everyone I have a negative interaction with lol

Because it sounds like you're distancing I don't know

[leetic]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

Why do I suddenly have an idea you two are distancing scum lol

"Suddenly"? Weren't you trying to argue we both were wolves earlier? This feels contrived

Mhm, I accused you two individually

Individual reads =/= team reads but sure you can pretend they are

So you're confbiasing then, got it.

[Caitlin]

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

Why do I suddenly have an idea you two are distancing scum lol

"Suddenly"? Weren't you trying to argue we both were wolves earlier? This feels contrived

Mhm, I accused you two individually

Individual reads =/= team reads but sure you can pretend they are

So you're confbiasing then, got it.

The convo just sounds overly hostile for no reason and also fake which to me reads as distancing.

[Caitlin]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

And Sloonei isn't doing you any favor by replying to it with an emoji

[Delta]

& for @Caitlin in the meantime \o/

Epi kinda just feels like normal Epi to me, cant really put that one into words more than just 'he seems as Epi-ish as usual'

& for Ricochet, I liked their prodding of the game, feels like they're getting into things and comes across like they're genuinely solving compared to just throwing things out for the sake of it. Developed a little more now than when I posted that initially but I think the basis for it remains the same

I guess I did sus Epi last game too so I suppose I can follow you on Epi being Epi-ish

When you said it it rlly just felt like Ricochet was only throwing things out for the sake for it though... Name one thing in their first observations lists that to you seems like getting into things. Picking a null read isn't allowed!

From their first post?

I like the stuff about sig, feels a bit like genuine prodding on why they were read a certain way. \o/

[Sloonei]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

And Sloonei isn't doing you any favor by replying to it with an emoji

Nah. I told leetic that I felt like this attitude was making the game less pleasant to play. He responded by doubling down on that same attitude. I was trying to communicate a genuine frustration, and he spat in my face. Hence the emoji reaction.

This conversation is venturing into territory that I do not wish to include in the game, so I won't be addressing it any further.

[Long Con]

I don't think they're w/w, Caitlin.

[Caitlin]

I voted for Delta because they're the player that has been least talked about in this thread. Which makes sense because they haven't arrived at our facility yet. But they posted on Day 0. I looked at those posts. They were uninspiring.

What a sus reason to vote

Falcon, Leetic, Sloonei

Sus ppl that should get more votes

My point still stands: they have been the least-talked-about player in this thread.

Why is that wolfy

And now theyre topwagon I believe, how does that change this in the current moment?

yeah no issue with sean

Kinda feel like you've giving a nothingburger stance on me with a side of WK fries.

ok

Tony towny

----

Also I feel dumb for forgetting that N0 stands for Night 0 in a previous reply

[Caitlin]

I don't think they're w/w, Caitlin.

Then V/W

[Caitlin]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

And Sloonei isn't doing you any favor by replying to it with an emoji

Nah. I told leetic that I felt like this attitude was making the game less pleasant to play. He responded by doubling down on that same attitude. I was trying to communicate a genuine frustration, and he spat in my face. Hence the emoji reaction.

This conversation is venturing into territory that I do not wish to include in the game, so I won't be addressing it any further.

Well I'm here to solve the game so I look into it anyway

[Long Con]

I don't think they're w/w, Caitlin.

Then V/W

There's still a reasonable likelihood that my vote will end up on Leetic by EoD. Seanzie just riled up my suspicions of him again though.

[Caitlin]

I gtg in 2 mins and I still havent given a read on Pyxxy when that was one of the only 2 reads I've been asked for

Um oops

But I quite honestly have read maybe 1 post of Pyxxy atp so Idk what to give as read lol

I'll give Pyxxy a...
...
...
Nullread!

[Caitlin]

I don't think they're w/w, Caitlin.

Then V/W

There's still a reasonable likelihood that my vote will end up on Leetic by EoD. Seanzie just riled up my suspicions of him again though.

I'd love to join that wagon

Thoughts on Falcon?

[Long Con]

I'm heading out right now, but I'll look back into falcon later.

Four hours until EoD!

[Sloonei]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

Following up on this thought from last night:

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

You know, you can at least take a quick glance at their ISO and give us an original thought. Is your entire ISO just gonna be sheeping people?

Has my entire ISO been sheeping people?

If you ignore the posts that say nothing, yes. And I'm being generous as to what counts as "something"

I implore you to go through my posts and point out all of the ones that constitute “sheeping”.

I've already confronted you over one. Deflection much?

I do not believe that this is a genuine thought process from a player. Does that necessarily mean that leetic is mafia? No, it does not. Maybe they're just trying to conjure up reactions from me and others. Maybe they genuinely thinks they're onto something and don't recognize how off-base it is. Or maybe there is some other ulterior motive at play here. BUT this particular chain of posts is not believable.

It begins with leetic accusing me of "sheeping" throughout my "entire ISO". Even if we grant that my pyxxy vote is sheeping, I do not believe there is a single post in my ISO that can be interpreted as "sheeping" in any sense whatsoever. I say this because the claim was so bizarre that I went back to re-read my own posts to try to understand where leetic was coming from. And there is literally nothing in there that even has a little bit of wool on it.

So I asked leetic to explain what they're talking about. And their response was to just kinda blindly double down and talk down to me? So I asked a second time to support the claim, and this time their response was basically "I don't need to, stop dodging me."

This does not look like a person who actually cares about developing a read. If that was the case, they would have either provided examples of me "sheeping", or gone back to look and admitted the mistake.

It looks instead like a person who is just hurling verbiage around to be confrontational. That is a bold approach to take if he is mafia. But maybe it's simply a matter of over-compensation from a player who's trying to look like an aggressive scum-hunter. I don't know. I have not played with leetic for several years, but I do not remember them ever acting like this at all.

[Sloonei]

Why is that wolfy

It's not. Early in games and phases, I do not often use my vote to indicate suspicion. I use it as a marker to identify who/what I'd like to put some focus on. Nobody was talking about Delta. So I put a vote on Delta so that we could all engage in some conversation about Delta.

[leetic]

Anyway, the other game I was playing is now over, which was the other reason I was busy that I couldn't talk about. That game was at LyLo, so it simply took priority. Now I might be able to start contributing in earnest.

[leetic]

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

Following up on this thought from last night:

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

You know, you can at least take a quick glance at their ISO and give us an original thought. Is your entire ISO just gonna be sheeping people?

Has my entire ISO been sheeping people?

If you ignore the posts that say nothing, yes. And I'm being generous as to what counts as "something"

I implore you to go through my posts and point out all of the ones that constitute “sheeping”.

I've already confronted you over one. Deflection much?

I do not believe that this is a genuine thought process from a player. Does that necessarily mean that leetic is mafia? No, it does not. Maybe they're just trying to conjure up reactions from me and others. Maybe they genuinely thinks they're onto something and don't recognize how off-base it is. Or maybe there is some other ulterior motive at play here. BUT this particular chain of posts is not believable.

It begins with leetic accusing me of "sheeping" throughout my "entire ISO". Even if we grant that my pyxxy vote is sheeping, I do not believe there is a single post in my ISO that can be interpreted as "sheeping" in any sense whatsoever. I say this because the claim was so bizarre that I went back to re-read my own posts to try to understand where leetic was coming from. And there is literally nothing in there that even has a little bit of wool on it.

So I asked leetic to explain what they're talking about. And their response was to just kinda blindly double down and talk down to me? So I asked a second time to support the claim, and this time their response was basically "I don't need to, stop dodging me."

This does not look like a person who actually cares about developing a read. If that was the case, they would have either provided examples of me "sheeping", or gone back to look and admitted the mistake.

It looks instead like a person who is just hurling verbiage around to be confrontational. That is a bold approach to take if he is mafia. But maybe it's simply a matter of over-compensation from a player who's trying to look like an aggressive scum-hunter. I don't know. I have not played with leetic for several years, but I do not remember them ever acting like this at all.

If you've played with me remotely recently, you know that poking around is what I do, especially when I don't have the time to be developing super in-depth reads. I perhaps used a bit of hyperbole to rile you up by saying "everything" is sheeping, but there is a real problem with your posts in that they don't say anything meaningful about the game state and your votes seemingly go out of the way to try to dodge any reasoning that can be used to determine alignment from either party, and the whole thing feels really dodgy. I also haven't played with you in a while but I remember you being more bold and vocal than this.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Completing this

Green badge
Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss felt out of bound - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take [later edit: I now just might, after all, see note sig], but I can accept it's her particular style of reading. Meta vibe nitpick: dunno why I had reminiscence of town!Porscha being more engaged.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Seanzie* - Just to get nothingburger'd: no major issue with atm. Wish I'd meta-remember if his questioning those who give him a pass more than those who give him stinkeye would be AI. One developed lead (falcon), then nothing as consistent (shading players giving him a pass, sudden delta vote).

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long tbh
TSP - so unserious in everything (non-fluff) put forth
Abigail - Null slight towards a pass tbh. GTH is "scattered". Some reads are focused and fine (especially later on during Day), others brushed off, unreasoned or drawn from a meta hat. Labeled NAI everything about leetic's tone, then voted them why exactly?

Invisibile sector
Spacedaisy - absent. Weird to miss this much of the phase, but couldn't say if it's AI in some way.
pyxxy - absent. Maybe got shipped to "North (Korea) Facility"

Zone of concern
Sloonei - even since yesterday his activity gave me a strong impression of "skirting". Reads amount to poking "least-talked about" or absent players, plus a non-finalized suss on leetic. Heaviest candidate for me of a player I can't get a sense where he's playing at.
falcon* - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
sig - re-read got me concerned the facility split ideas seem a bit too specific and suss of TMI. don't like his reads amounting to just a LHF topic (absent player)
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

N/A
Scrappy Doo - I would need more meta on how this sock shenanigan played out. So far the sock player has done nothing serious and don't think there's info on what they would be allowed to do in-game.


*Back-of-mind, slight tinfoil on the timing of Seanzie suss'ing falcon that he's not exhibiting t!world sharpness, only for falcon to come right after and play more on-point, quizzing etc. Perchance a w/w signal or distancing or at least one wolf in this interaction?

I voted leetic cause of play style

I will vote anyone I don't town read and I like tying wagons early in days.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Some things never change

Hot

[Scrappy Doo]

HELLO

APOLOGIES FOR ABSENSE I WAS

CATCHING GHOSTS!!

OR SOMETHING

BUT ITS OKAY!

I HAVE FOUND MY GANG OF CRIMEFIGHTERS

WE WILL BARK AT THE MAFIA

BARK BARK BARK BARK

CRIMEFIGHTER LIST PENDING

STAND BY

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do wish there was a way to quote better so I could avoid those big quote chains

Also Abbi I appreciate your suggestion to read you & Pyxxy first and I was gonna ISO the ppl you'd suggest but I'm gonna just do the entire catchup instead

Only have 25m rn but should be enough for a start

Yeah this is towny I feel like wolf Caitlin would just take my suggestion and run and not feel obligated to try to catch up to a thread she has no real desire to be in