Re: Last Man Standing 3 [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:42 pm
Now see, I thought he was laughing at you for the same reason.
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I can lie low without getting lynched. Please.S~V~S wrote:Because in this context, lying low will get you lynched. Becasue you enjoy being the puppeteer rather than the puppet, so you ALWAYS try to control threads.Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
I never understood that mindset; just having to survive means winning > playing. And I don't play that way, and I don't think you do, either. So that question is a null, imo.
I've stopped asking myself why you would do anything.Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
Cool. You might be right. Or not. It's the boy who cried wolf, lol. You do this whole "I KNOW IT FOR THE FACT JACK" thing pretty much every game. It wears thin.Epignosis wrote:I can lie low without getting lynched. Please.S~V~S wrote:Because in this context, lying low will get you lynched. Becasue you enjoy being the puppeteer rather than the puppet, so you ALWAYS try to control threads.Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
I never understood that mindset; just having to survive means winning > playing. And I don't play that way, and I don't think you do, either. So that question is a null, imo.
I am doing what I'm doing because I think I'm right. Dispute that all you want.
Because he blindly followed someone, agreeing to vote how he was told. That isn't what he did, and he knew that, so clearly he doesn't actually care about the alliance very much. But being in it (supposedly) gives him allies, and killing those allies is easy to get away with.nutella wrote:@Boo: I agree with the analysis that people might take advantage of "alliances" for WIFOM purposes, but what are your particular reasons for thinking LC is a killer? I'd be interested in pursuing that line of questioning. Tbh I think it's way more productive to hunt out NKers than players who might have BTSC.
There was little other discussion going on. I waited until other discussion was had, so don't give me that.S~V~S wrote:Cool. You might be right. Or not. It's the boy who cried wolf, lol. You do this whole "I KNOW IT FOR THE FACT JACK" thing pretty much every game. It wears thin.Epignosis wrote:I can lie low without getting lynched. Please.S~V~S wrote:Because in this context, lying low will get you lynched. Becasue you enjoy being the puppeteer rather than the puppet, so you ALWAYS try to control threads.Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
I never understood that mindset; just having to survive means winning > playing. And I don't play that way, and I don't think you do, either. So that question is a null, imo.
I am doing what I'm doing because I think I'm right. Dispute that all you want.
Nutella brings up a good point; all this discussion of whether or not Bullz has BTS has totally eclipsed other discussion.
You are the boy. And you do it alot; you come in and say whatever and try to run the thread. Trying to spin it around on me doesn't change that. And I don't like to "spite" you. I pretty much disagree with you 90% of the time, and the fact that we both are *Always Right* people does not help. I enjoy challenging you, yes. Spiting you? No.Epignosis wrote:There was little other discussion going on. I waited until other discussion was had, so don't give me that.S~V~S wrote:Cool. You might be right. Or not. It's the boy who cried wolf, lol. You do this whole "I KNOW IT FOR THE FACT JACK" thing pretty much every game. It wears thin.Epignosis wrote:I can lie low without getting lynched. Please.S~V~S wrote:Because in this context, lying low will get you lynched. Becasue you enjoy being the puppeteer rather than the puppet, so you ALWAYS try to control threads.Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
I never understood that mindset; just having to survive means winning > playing. And I don't play that way, and I don't think you do, either. So that question is a null, imo.
I am doing what I'm doing because I think I'm right. Dispute that all you want.
Nutella brings up a good point; all this discussion of whether or not Bullz has BTS has totally eclipsed other discussion.
And the boy who cried wolf? Am I the boy or the wolf?
Or the town?
I know you like to spite me. I use that to my advantage from time to time.
Fair enough.S~V~S wrote:You are the boy. And you do it alot; you come in and say whatever and try to run the thread. Trying to spin it around on me doesn't change that. And I don't like to "spite" you. I pretty much disagree with you 90% of the time, and the fact that we both are *Always Right* people does not help. I enjoy challenging you, yes. Spiting you? No.Epignosis wrote:There was little other discussion going on. I waited until other discussion was had, so don't give me that.S~V~S wrote:Cool. You might be right. Or not. It's the boy who cried wolf, lol. You do this whole "I KNOW IT FOR THE FACT JACK" thing pretty much every game. It wears thin.Epignosis wrote:I can lie low without getting lynched. Please.S~V~S wrote:Because in this context, lying low will get you lynched. Becasue you enjoy being the puppeteer rather than the puppet, so you ALWAYS try to control threads.Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
I never understood that mindset; just having to survive means winning > playing. And I don't play that way, and I don't think you do, either. So that question is a null, imo.
I am doing what I'm doing because I think I'm right. Dispute that all you want.
Nutella brings up a good point; all this discussion of whether or not Bullz has BTS has totally eclipsed other discussion.
And the boy who cried wolf? Am I the boy or the wolf?
Or the town?
I know you like to spite me. I use that to my advantage from time to time.
You may be right about Bullzbut I would still rather have him around than someone who made 3 posts in 2 days.
As SVS even pointed out, I'm now just making fun of you. The fact you took it seriously makes it even more funny to me.Epignosis wrote: What?
You've picked up on my tells?
What are those tells?
Can you cite evidence?
Now I'm a dangerous killer?
Come on folks.
This is textbook shit.
Bullzeye has BTSC, and now he's nervous.
He does now, because if I survive I'm probably going to keep trying to get him lynched until one of us is dead.nutella wrote:That's a good question. Why do you even care who gets lynched? It's LMS. Do you have something to gain from Bullz getting lynched?Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
100% correctS~V~S wrote:Now see, I thought he was laughing at you for the same reason.
I'm so right about you.Bullzeye wrote:As SVS even pointed out, I'm now just making fun of you. The fact you took it seriously makes it even more funny to me.Epignosis wrote: What?
You've picked up on my tells?
What are those tells?
Can you cite evidence?
Now I'm a dangerous killer?
Come on folks.
This is textbook shit.
Bullzeye has BTSC, and now he's nervous.
He does now, because if I survive I'm probably going to keep trying to get him lynched until one of us is dead.nutella wrote:That's a good question. Why do you even care who gets lynched? It's LMS. Do you have something to gain from Bullz getting lynched?Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
100% correctS~V~S wrote:Now see, I thought he was laughing at you for the same reason.
Linki - Well Nisani, I still don't understand you, but if you want to encourage people to protect me then you're all right in my book.
There is chaos, represented by the Plague. There is order, represented by the diligence Enrique puts into hosting his mafia games. The Town is interested in order.nutella wrote:Nisani wat
there are no Town interests
there are no civilians
what are your motives
I didn't say anything about if Boo was bad or a killer or had btsc or anything like that. I didn't make any claims against Boo at all. I voted him mostly because he voted for the leader of my alliance.Epignosis wrote:I don't expect people to believe me. It's Day 1. Made has a few votes, so he'll die, because that's how stuff on this site goes: Dick around until a few hours before the deadline, and pick whoever has the most votes because it ain't you. If it works like that in a regular game, how much more will it work in Last Man Standing?Dana wrote:Then how do you expect people to believe you? Without any explanations or evidence you're just making empty claims.Epignosis wrote:It's okay- I wasn't going to answer your question about tells anyway. I never do.Dana wrote:Okay nevermind now I'm just completely confused.Epignosis wrote:Ah ah ah. I don't give a shit about Made.
Notice how I picked you out of everybody? Notice how you didn't have any votes or attention at the time? I'm not trying to save Made. I'm trying to lynch you.![]()
I'm not going to pull evidence from previous games to satisfy you on Day 1, sorry. If you don't want to take my word for it, fine. Not a problem. But are they "empty claims" as you think? I don't think so.
The fact that you voted boo just now with likewise no evidence (he's making sense) says volumes about you though.
Again, I voted for you because I trust Nisani as a person, and there's not really much else to go on in a game like this. I would definitely keep up a deal if I made one, I don't know why you think that I wouldn't.boo wrote: Then there's Dana, where everything she's said about voting is clearly bullshit, since she voted for me for 'making sense'. So I'll probably vote for her tomorrow, since none of us can ever trust her. She joined an alliance (like LC), hasn't followed through with it, but has also been contradicting herself all over the place. She's the first person who has made it clear that even if you make a deal with her, she won't keep up her end.
You wish.Epignosis wrote: I'm so right about you.
This doesn't even make sense. You're saying their baddies in this game (Plague) and town/civvies, but you're saying that's the host. This is just such bullshit. But of course, because you're all damn fools, keeping this guy around somehow makes sense.Nisani wrote:There is chaos, represented by the Plague. There is order, represented by the diligence Enrique puts into hosting his mafia games. The Town is interested in order.nutella wrote:Nisani wat
there are no Town interests
there are no civilians
what are your motives
No, you wouldn't because you already haven't by voting for me without Nisani having instructed you to.Dana wrote:I didn't say anything about if Boo was bad or a killer or had btsc or anything like that. I didn't make any claims against Boo at all. I voted him mostly because he voted for the leader of my alliance.Epignosis wrote:I don't expect people to believe me. It's Day 1. Made has a few votes, so he'll die, because that's how stuff on this site goes: Dick around until a few hours before the deadline, and pick whoever has the most votes because it ain't you. If it works like that in a regular game, how much more will it work in Last Man Standing?Dana wrote:Then how do you expect people to believe you? Without any explanations or evidence you're just making empty claims.Epignosis wrote:It's okay- I wasn't going to answer your question about tells anyway. I never do.Dana wrote:Okay nevermind now I'm just completely confused.Epignosis wrote:Ah ah ah. I don't give a shit about Made.
Notice how I picked you out of everybody? Notice how you didn't have any votes or attention at the time? I'm not trying to save Made. I'm trying to lynch you.![]()
I'm not going to pull evidence from previous games to satisfy you on Day 1, sorry. If you don't want to take my word for it, fine. Not a problem. But are they "empty claims" as you think? I don't think so.
The fact that you voted boo just now with likewise no evidence (he's making sense) says volumes about you though.
Again, I voted for you because I trust Nisani as a person, and there's not really much else to go on in a game like this. I would definitely keep up a deal if I made one, I don't know why you think that I wouldn't.boo wrote: Then there's Dana, where everything she's said about voting is clearly bullshit, since she voted for me for 'making sense'. So I'll probably vote for her tomorrow, since none of us can ever trust her. She joined an alliance (like LC), hasn't followed through with it, but has also been contradicting herself all over the place. She's the first person who has made it clear that even if you make a deal with her, she won't keep up her end.
Do you know how many times I've heard that?Bullzeye wrote:You wish.Epignosis wrote: I'm so right about you.
I hope you genuinely believe I have BTSC and aren't just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. You're so wrong that I'm going to use this as an example in future games of why people shouldn't listen to Epi.
A lot, I bet.Epignosis wrote:Do you know how many times I've heard that?Bullzeye wrote:You wish.Epignosis wrote: I'm so right about you.
I hope you genuinely believe I have BTSC and aren't just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. You're so wrong that I'm going to use this as an example in future games of why people shouldn't listen to Epi.
Do you know how many times I've been listened to?
Probably too many.Epignosis wrote:Do you know how many times I've heard that?Bullzeye wrote:You wish.Epignosis wrote: I'm so right about you.
I hope you genuinely believe I have BTSC and aren't just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. You're so wrong that I'm going to use this as an example in future games of why people shouldn't listen to Epi.
Do you know how many times I've been listened to?
We'll see.Bullzeye wrote:Probably too many.Epignosis wrote:Do you know how many times I've heard that?Bullzeye wrote:You wish.Epignosis wrote: I'm so right about you.
I hope you genuinely believe I have BTSC and aren't just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. You're so wrong that I'm going to use this as an example in future games of why people shouldn't listen to Epi.
Do you know how many times I've been listened to?
I am offering a better favour to anyone who doesn't.Epignosis wrote:I am offering a favor to anyone who votes now for Bullzeye.
Actually, the goal of Delta Squadron is to act as a team and support each other. That's what I have seen happening.boo wrote:No, you wouldn't because you already haven't by voting for me without Nisani having instructed you to.
But hey, all 3 of you in your alliance have already demonstrated you aren't going to follow through on deals you make, so you're interchangeably priorities 1-3 for me.
Oooh...a better one?Bullzeye wrote:I am offering a better favour to anyone who doesn't.Epignosis wrote:I am offering a favor to anyone who votes now for Bullzeye.
I didn't vote for Bullzeye. I would like to call in the favour. Are you available this weekend?Bullzeye wrote:I am offering a better favour to anyone who doesn't.Epignosis wrote:I am offering a favor to anyone who votes now for Bullzeye.
Why don't you just join Delta Squadron?Bullzeye wrote:Well Nisani, I still don't understand you, but if you want to encourage people to protect me then you're all right in my book.
I'm working on call for Residence Support at my uni until 8am on Saturday, and still need to renew my passport, so getting to Canada in time might be a bit of an issue but we can work something out I'm sure.Long Con wrote:I didn't vote for Bullzeye. I would like to call in the favour. Are you available this weekend?Bullzeye wrote:I am offering a better favour to anyone who doesn't.Epignosis wrote:I am offering a favor to anyone who votes now for Bullzeye.
I can do this.boo wrote:I will offer a better, more interesting deal than anything Epi is apparently willing to do.
If at any point I die, if anyone who has one of the two roles that can res (or gets a prize) will promise to use it on me, I will make the same promise.
Conditions:
I'm not willing to extend the offer to: Nisani, LC, Dana, or Epi. Anyone who works with them is also out (so Eloh is also out already for voting with Epi).
If you die as Plague or someone with BTSC the deal is off (and likewise, if I die in any of those roles, I have no expectation of you).
Actually, the requirement of any Delta Squadron member was to vote how they were told to by Nisani. Neither you or Dana did so, which already undermined the authority of your supposed leader. So clearly he is ineffectual, and only went along with what the two of you did because to do otherwise would be to lose all credibility, and have his alliance crumble on Day 1. So none of you can be trusted, since not a single one you has kept your word (to one another), and you're supposed to be an alliance. If you can't keep your word to your allies, why would anyone who ever considers making a one off deal with you believe any of you would keep up your end? They wouldn't because you've already proved you won't. Since we can therefore never work with any of the three of you in good faith, we should kill you.Long Con wrote:Actually, the goal of Delta Squadron is to act as a team and support each other. That's what I have seen happening.boo wrote:No, you wouldn't because you already haven't by voting for me without Nisani having instructed you to.
But hey, all 3 of you in your alliance have already demonstrated you aren't going to follow through on deals you make, so you're interchangeably priorities 1-3 for me.
That's cool. Maybe you can help to form a bridge, a bond of friendship, between our two factions.Bullzeye wrote:LC - I already accepted Splints' offer and am too loyal to break away now.
It was steadfast loyalty to our team that directed our votes, anyone can see that no matter how you try to taint it.boo wrote:Actually, the requirement of any Delta Squadron member was to vote how they were told to by Nisani. Neither you or Dana did so, which already undermined the authority of your supposed leader. So clearly he is ineffectual, and only went along with what the two of you did because to do otherwise would be to lose all credibility, and have his alliance crumble on Day 1. So none of you can be trusted, since not a single one you has kept your word (to one another), and you're supposed to be an alliance. If you can't keep your word to your allies, why would anyone who ever considers making a one off deal with you believe any of you would keep up your end? They wouldn't because you've already proved you won't. Since we can therefore never work with any of the three of you in good faith, we should kill you.Long Con wrote:Actually, the goal of Delta Squadron is to act as a team and support each other. That's what I have seen happening.boo wrote:No, you wouldn't because you already haven't by voting for me without Nisani having instructed you to.
But hey, all 3 of you in your alliance have already demonstrated you aren't going to follow through on deals you make, so you're interchangeably priorities 1-3 for me.
It was self-interest guised as loyalty, yes. But it wasn't loyalty. It was you breaching one of the most important requirements Nisani created, presumably in an effort to take control of your alliance out from under him, and have minions who will do your bidding, and who you can easily NK once you get them doing exactly what you want them to do, since it gives you excellent cover with the WIFOM.Long Con wrote:It was steadfast loyalty to our team that directed our votes, anyone can see that no matter how you try to taint it.boo wrote:Actually, the requirement of any Delta Squadron member was to vote how they were told to by Nisani. Neither you or Dana did so, which already undermined the authority of your supposed leader. So clearly he is ineffectual, and only went along with what the two of you did because to do otherwise would be to lose all credibility, and have his alliance crumble on Day 1. So none of you can be trusted, since not a single one you has kept your word (to one another), and you're supposed to be an alliance. If you can't keep your word to your allies, why would anyone who ever considers making a one off deal with you believe any of you would keep up your end? They wouldn't because you've already proved you won't. Since we can therefore never work with any of the three of you in good faith, we should kill you.Long Con wrote:Actually, the goal of Delta Squadron is to act as a team and support each other. That's what I have seen happening.boo wrote:No, you wouldn't because you already haven't by voting for me without Nisani having instructed you to.
But hey, all 3 of you in your alliance have already demonstrated you aren't going to follow through on deals you make, so you're interchangeably priorities 1-3 for me.
I feel so naked. You're like Professor X, but with X-Ray Vision.boo wrote:It was self-interest guised as loyalty, yes. But it wasn't loyalty. It was you breaching one of the most important requirements Nisani created, presumably in an effort to take control of your alliance out from under him, and have minions who will do your bidding, and who you can easily NK once you get them doing exactly what you want them to do, since it gives you excellent cover with the WIFOM.Long Con wrote:It was steadfast loyalty to our team that directed our votes, anyone can see that no matter how you try to taint it.boo wrote:Actually, the requirement of any Delta Squadron member was to vote how they were told to by Nisani. Neither you or Dana did so, which already undermined the authority of your supposed leader. So clearly he is ineffectual, and only went along with what the two of you did because to do otherwise would be to lose all credibility, and have his alliance crumble on Day 1. So none of you can be trusted, since not a single one you has kept your word (to one another), and you're supposed to be an alliance. If you can't keep your word to your allies, why would anyone who ever considers making a one off deal with you believe any of you would keep up your end? They wouldn't because you've already proved you won't. Since we can therefore never work with any of the three of you in good faith, we should kill you.Long Con wrote:Actually, the goal of Delta Squadron is to act as a team and support each other. That's what I have seen happening.boo wrote:No, you wouldn't because you already haven't by voting for me without Nisani having instructed you to.
But hey, all 3 of you in your alliance have already demonstrated you aren't going to follow through on deals you make, so you're interchangeably priorities 1-3 for me.
Bullzeye wrote:I am offering a better favour to anyone who doesn't.Epignosis wrote:I am offering a favor to anyone who votes now for Bullzeye.
Epignosis wrote:I'm so right about you.Bullzeye wrote:As SVS even pointed out, I'm now just making fun of you. The fact you took it seriously makes it even more funny to me.Epignosis wrote: What?
You've picked up on my tells?
What are those tells?
Can you cite evidence?
Now I'm a dangerous killer?
Come on folks.
This is textbook shit.
Bullzeye has BTSC, and now he's nervous.
He does now, because if I survive I'm probably going to keep trying to get him lynched until one of us is dead.nutella wrote:That's a good question. Why do you even care who gets lynched? It's LMS. Do you have something to gain from Bullz getting lynched?Epignosis wrote:Ask yourselves this:
Why would I gun for someone on Day 1 if all I'm supposed to do is survive?
100% correctS~V~S wrote:Now see, I thought he was laughing at you for the same reason.
Linki - Well Nisani, I still don't understand you, but if you want to encourage people to protect me then you're all right in my book.
Vote for Bullz. I'll honor your favor.nijuukyugou wrote:I want a favor. I don't want to vote Made, even though he's pretty much a goner (and besides, I'd have to vote him eventually). Voting Nisani offers me no tangible favors thus far, even though he gives me the willies. So Epi, does that offer still stand? 'Cause I'll go for Bullz.