The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:04 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:44 am
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:25 am Those long lists are great to see where a player is standing and all, but how is this different from 'salad' posts?
They aren't very different.

'Salad' posts just throw out a bunch of unsubstantiated targets, mixing some popular ones with unique ones to sound like the player is looking in a specific direction. Rainbow lists can be used to do the same thing. Differences are:

Rainbow lists are more concrete. They limit options, which is sorta the opposite of what player salad does. Because all of the townreads are listed in there as well.

Rainbow lists invite discussion of all players, not just a select few.

Rainbow lists can be used for POE. Player salad cannot.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm 5 times more likely to ignore a rainbow list than a "salad" post.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:04 pm**

Like there is such a huge amount of wifom that can go into a rainbow list.

At least when people post what they think about other people you can analyse what they wrote.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.

I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:06 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.

First word of the second line under the role name.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:08 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.

I didn’t use ”Got Your Back” as you can see from the result given by gwil

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:14 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.

Lie lol

I find it amusing you spent how long basically complaining people post to much, your not as good as ppl think, ect thenjump on the easiest wagon possible to try tp lynch a player who you know is oftem mislynched on stupid shit.

It was a possibility not a lie the fact you're calling it a lie so scummy its an attempt to change the narrative from speculation ie why did i maybe kill collins instead of wilgy to hahahhaha we caught sig lying lets form a wagon.

Another thing its never to early to start a save attempt, this is even more true if yesterday we almost had scum.

Futhermore this specualtion being followed by votes is perfect mafia coverage and wifom. Especially if mafia somehow fucked with my kill

Finally why are y'all, especially experenced player taking host fluff as gospel. I hope you're mafia sincr otherwise y'all are the most lazy civs I've seen in a very very long time especially lc.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:19 pm**

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.g

I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.
I didn’t use ”Got Your Back” as you can see from the result given by gwil

LC GOT CAUGHT IN A LIE OMG LYNCH HIM SINCE CIVS NEVER EVER EVER MAKE MISTAKES.

Though seriously the fact he blatantly ignored this is troubling he's morphing facts to try to prove a point, cover for jay, and get me lynched. If he isn't mafia he's a tunneling civ who's opinion doesn't mean much.

As of right now i think Jay messed with my action somehow, lc is covering for him.

Also with secret powers in play we can't and shouldn't just take jay saying he's an archer so he couldn't do anything seriously nor that gwil was redirected. Since guess what the same ppl who believe this and are saying this proved i lied flat out rejected that i could've been redirected also.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:24 pm**

I mean it’s pretty clear I was redirected of Kites is claiming responsibility for that message.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:25 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:56 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:52 pm Lap isn't a high poster, however after playing a few games with her I'm reading her as civ. I also really dislike the cfd onto her. I think it was an attempt to save bob who should be lynched post haste tomorrow.
Why not just vig me then?

[mention]sig[/mention]

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:27 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:19 pm LC GOT CAUGHT IN A LIE OMG LYNCH HIM SINCE CIVS NEVER EVER EVER MAKE MISTAKES.

Though seriously the fact he blatantly ignored this is troubling he's morphing facts to try to prove a point, cover for jay, and get me lynched. If he isn't mafia he's a tunneling civ who's opinion doesn't mean much.

As of right now i think Jay messed with my action somehow, lc is covering for him.

Also with secret powers in play we can't and shouldn't just take jay saying he's an archer so he couldn't do anything seriously nor that gwil was redirected. Since guess what the same ppl who believe this and are saying this proved i lied flat out rejected that i could've been redirected also.

I didn't say I am an archer. If you're going to give people shit for being lazy, you'll need to make sure you actually read the thread yourself.

I have no interest in lynching you. I bodyguarded Mac.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:29 pm**

Minus MacDougall, I think speedchuck's rainbow is generally agreeable.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:30 pm**

Can someone just quickly tell me what sig is accused of getting caught in a lie about. I’m not quite understanding.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:32 pm**

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:30 pm Can someone just quickly tell me what sig is accused of getting caught in a lie about. I’m not quite understanding.

Getting MDed when he was a flier and so the only MDs that could hit him are other fliers, and iirc the 2 Pegasus knights were both not MDers last night.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:33 pm**

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:34 pm**

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:26 am [VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Reactionary vote against me without any logical basis is noted

Please lynch this guy. You know he's scum

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:35 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:56 pm I bodyguarded Mac.
Thanks man. In return have one of these.
Okay.

Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.
Kill rundontwalk.

MacDougall wants to get rid of a town bodyguard. Curious.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:36 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:37 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.
First word of the second line under the role name.

Yes I see, don't know how I missed that.

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.
I didn’t use ”Got Your Back” as you can see from the result given by gwil

Got it, I thought that was a general effect of your targeting someone.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

MacDougall wants you to kill a town bodyguard (me) and roleblock every other civilian? What more could scum ask for?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:46 pm**

I just said rainbows are full of wifom but I think I'll bite.

Enjoy your wine.

(towniest town in town)
Dragon D. Luffy

(if they are bad I'll eat my hat, even though I don't have a hat)
Kenway
MacDougall
speedchuck

(probably civ. don't count on it though)
Marmot
Epignosis
rundontwalk

(I feel good about them but it's not hard to make me change my mind)
sig
gwilikers6
Kylemii
colonialbob

(hell if I know)
nutella
sprityo
Iron_Dwarf
DrWilgy
Kites
lapluie
Quin

(I want to lynch them. but I'm not 100% sold on it)
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:52 pm**

Actually put Bob on yellow. The lynch survival thing makes me paranoid.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:54 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:58 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

Roleblocking every civ?

With the amount of info we're allowed to get from night actions, do you think it'd really be worth it? I tend not to, but I'm also new to the setup.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:00 pm**

My mistake, Sprityo has just been tunneling on me and has repeatedly voted for me on weak reasoning.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:01 pm**

Imo vig kills are extremely unreliable so no, roleblocking every civ isn't worth it. A single investigation or tracker result can do a lot more for the town than a kill attempt.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:12 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
JaggedJimmyJay

What's up?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:12 pm**

Y'all are only answering half of my question.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:13 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:28 am A Tragic Loyalist - If you are lynched, all townies will be roleblocked the following night.
*secrets*

”If you are lynched...”

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:14 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:12 pm Y'all are only answering half of my question.

The IMPORTANT half.

If I knew exactly who you should kill, I'd just suggest lynching him/her.

Maybe kill whoever survived the D1 lynch?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:17 pm**

We are here with another edition of DDL News. Turns out I did target Bob (and it failed) but Jack quoted the wrong message when he told me it failed.

Wonder how it failed though since Bob isn't supposed to be immune to me. Either he has a flavor thing that makes him immune to misdirection, or I got hit with a roleblock or a misdirect myself.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:19 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:12 pm Y'all are only answering half of my question.
The IMPORTANT half.

If I knew exactly who you should kill, I'd just suggest lynching him/her.

Maybe kill whoever survived the D1 lynch?

The D1 lynch was alledgedly stopped by Epi, who stopped because he was going to miss the EoD1 so he wanted to play safe and avoid being lynched himself.

So not really indicative of the people who were leading it.

But if you wanna know, it would have been either Quin or Nutella.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:24 pm**

Are people still feeling the same qay about Quin and nutella? It seems opinions have changed a little.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:28 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:04 pm Like there is such a huge amount of wifom that can go into a rainbow list.

At least when people post what they think about other people you can analyse what they wrote.

I prefer a smaller list of people with reasons given for town/scum read.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:30 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 am
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:50 am This was my exact result btw: “**f*** *m ** - s*g”

I was drunk last night and working now so I haven’t put the slightest effort into decoding it. Have at it.
Soften 'em up. It corroborates I think Kites (?) who said they boosted sig's kill chance. I obviously didn't do that, so you were misdirected or something.

Sounds plausible and for me this means Kites is probably town. Can't imagine sig with his ability is scum.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:34 pm**

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 am
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:50 am This was my exact result btw: “**f*** *m ** - s*g”

I was drunk last night and working now so I haven’t put the slightest effort into decoding it. Have at it.
Soften 'em up. It corroborates I think Kites (?) who said they boosted sig's kill chance. I obviously didn't do that, so you were misdirected or something.
Sounds plausible and for me this means Kites is probably town. Can't imagine sig with his ability is scum.

What?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:36 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:21 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:05 am Other points:

- The end phase was as someone else said a hilarious 'clown fiesta'. So many people constantly switchting votes around.
- This makes me suspicious of Epi. He was one of the main instigators of this. He switched a lot. And he had some sort of theory on DDL and Dr. White but then not really sticking to it.
- JJJ was also constantly switching around to low hanging fruit, people who have few posts which can be related to anything (such as this thread having 85 pages now )
- nutella remains her opportunistic self and follows whatever vote seems fashionable.
How is switching votes around a bad thing? What do you think makes a mafia more comfortable: A static lynch or a dynamic lynch?

My theory on DDL and who now?

Mistyped, I meant the exchange on DDL/rdw/3J.

There could be all sorts of reasons for scum to want a dynamic lynch, f.i. getting people sidetracked if a teammate is suspected.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:48 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:48 amSorry please elaborate.

a true sage never reveals his tricks

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:38 amtargeted sig last night, giving him a +15% chance to kill the target, so he had a 90% chance to succeed. Anyways there’s a passive effect on my powers that will cause the person I targeted to be misdirected. But the only way that could have happened is if Colin was my long lost brother and Wilgy targeted him with a harmful action, but the chances it really happened are small.

if everything you're saying is true, and it would be weird if it wasn't since you alluded to this way back on day 0, wilgy probably really is your brother. I'm like 95% sure actually.

I believe others other players have effects on their actions under certain conditions, like kylemii apparently does so I wouldn’t lynch sig based on this thing

huh?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:42 amFunny story; I missed yesterday’s night actions submition :^)

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:50 pm**

[mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention] GTH who are your scummate?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:57 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:12 pm Y'all are only answering half of my question.
The IMPORTANT half.

If I knew exactly who you should kill, I'd just suggest lynching him/her.

Maybe kill whoever survived the D1 lynch?
The D1 lynch was alledgedly stopped by Epi, who stopped because he was going to miss the EoD1 so he wanted to play safe and avoid being lynched himself.

So not really indicative of the people who were leading it.

But if you wanna know, it would have been either Quin or Nutella.

Oh, okay. Thanks for the info.

I don't suggest vigging nutella. Quin's fine.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:57 pm**

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:50 pm Iron_Dwarf GTH who are your scummate?

I like you.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:05 pm**

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Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:21 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:57 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:50 pm Iron_Dwarf GTH who are your scummate?
I like you.

As a token of your love for me I want IronDwarf's head. Also flowers.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:00 pm**

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:57 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:50 pm Iron_Dwarf GTH who are your scummate?
I like you.
As a token of your love for me I want IronDwarf's head. Also flowers.

I will do my best.

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:20 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:14 pmI find it amusing you spent how long basically complaining people post to much, your not as good as ppl think, ect thenjump on the easiest wagon possible to try tp lynch a player who you know is oftem mislynched on stupid shit.

1. How long did I spend complaining? I just went through my 130 posts and found two instances where I said something like "X pages behind, catching up now" or something to that effect. Couldn't find a single instance of me complaining people post too much. Maybe you can help me out here, sig, since you say I've spent too much time complaining.

2. I'm not as good as people think. That's a proven fact, over and over. Me jumping on the easiest wagon should only reinforce that fact in your mind.

3. Ok, fine. I'll put you as green on my rainbow list, and if you are bad, then I never want to hear any crap about how I shouldn't suspect you due to how often you are mislynched.

UNVOTE: SIG AUBERGINE

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:55 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:33 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I keep forgetting he's even in this game.

I think I'm good with an I_D lynch if that's where we want to go today. Although part of my suspicion of him was connected to Dr. White and he was town... I guess I'll reread him. I don't like his stance on "salad" but that's probably just a cultural disagreement. Like, with a rainbow list you are compelled to share your stance on every player in the game, arbitrary though it may sometimes be; if you pick and choose who you talk about, you're obviously free to deliberately leave out players you don't want to draw attention to, and also without the structure of a rainbow you can just say whatever you want with noncommittal words to leave your options open (not that I haven't been guilty of that as either alignment tbf).

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:55 pm**

AUBERGINE

[2] JaggedJimmyJay - MacDougall (but doesn't count), Dragon D. Luffy
[3] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, colonialbob, speedchuck
[2] sig - Kenway, sprityo
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] DrWilgy - JaggedJimmyJay

No vote: DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kites, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, Marmot, nutella, Quin, sig

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:08 pm**

I miss dunya

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:12 pm**

[VOTE: jaggedjjmmyjay] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:25 pm**

Nutella what is your read on Jay?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:36 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:25 pm Nutella what is your read on Jay?

I kind of get the case against him and could tinfoil him as bad given his recent play, but my early townread of him was strong enough that it would very much be tinfoil. Idk, I'm always a bit wary of being tricked by him and his behavior has been a little bit off, but I sympathize with his mafia fatigue and believe that at least to be genuine. But yeah both you and Mac have pointed out some reasonably compelling accusations.

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