[END] Literal WWerecreatures Invade Syndicate Zoo: An SDN Crossover Game

[miranda920]

Wait a minute

@miranda920 I have too played with you as a wolf. I played the Fire Emblem game

You were not a wolf with me?

No, as in I have played a game in which you were a wolf. Earlier I think you told me I haven't seen you wolf

Oh then I must have misunderstood, I thought you were asking if we had been in a pack together

[NateTheLesser]

I prefer miranda over SAR but it looks like things are going that way anyway.

@miranda920 if you have anything to claim, the sooner the better.

Eh my role was a watcher, but I didn’t gain any information from that

Still helpful to know who you targeted in case we have other claims to check against.

I watched Creature the first night, because of the out of nowhere vote on me, but no one targeted them.

I still have one other shot that I have not used

Would’ve been more informative if it showed me who my target targeted

It's 2-shot?

[NateTheLesser]

And do you have a community role?

[miranda920]

I prefer miranda over SAR but it looks like things are going that way anyway.

@miranda920 if you have anything to claim, the sooner the better.

Eh my role was a watcher, but I didn’t gain any information from that

Still helpful to know who you targeted in case we have other claims to check against.

I watched Creature the first night, because of the out of nowhere vote on me, but no one targeted them.

I still have one other shot that I have not used

Would’ve been more informative if it showed me who my target targeted

It's 2-shot?

Yes

[miranda920]

And do you have a community role?

I do not

[SARdoghandler]

I have compared Miranda's posts and tone this game to Stardeww (recent village outing) and Fire Emblem (only wolf outing) and have discovered some discrepancies that may be AI or may be nothing at all. However, I think my overall conclusion is that her current posting tone appears to actually be most similar to her Fire Emblem posting. Of course, limitations given her relative lack of total games, but it is enough to have me reconsider how strong my village lean there is.

If she flips wolf I may actually have spotted a village tell but we'll have to see because N=1 is not enough for me to be confident it actually is a tell. But it's a pretty subtle tone shift I didn't notice at first that only jumps out when iso-ing all 3 threads side by side

[miranda920]

I have compared Miranda's posts and tone this game to Stardeww (recent village outing) and Fire Emblem (only wolf outing) and have discovered some discrepancies that may be AI or may be nothing at all. However, I think my overall conclusion is that her current posting tone appears to actually be most similar to her Fire Emblem posting. Of course, limitations given her relative lack of total games, but it is enough to have me reconsider how strong my village lean there is.

If she flips wolf I may actually have spotted a village tell but we'll have to see because N=1 is not enough for me to be confident it actually is a tell. But it's a pretty subtle tone shift I didn't notice at first that only jumps out when iso-ing all 3 threads side by side

Oh, I’m intrigued

[SARdoghandler]

@miranda920 have I played when you woofed yet?

You haven’t, I’ve only woofed in the FE game

Wait a minute

@miranda920 I have too played with you as a wolf. I played the Fire Emblem game

You were not a wolf with me?

No, as in I have played a game in which you were a wolf. Earlier I think you told me I haven't seen you wolf

Oh then I must have misunderstood, I thought you were asking if we had been in a pack together

[miranda920]

@miranda920 have I played when you woofed yet?

You haven’t, I’ve only woofed in the FE game

Wait a minute

@miranda920 I have too played with you as a wolf. I played the Fire Emblem game

You were not a wolf with me?

No, as in I have played a game in which you were a wolf. Earlier I think you told me I haven't seen you wolf

Oh then I must have misunderstood, I thought you were asking if we had been in a pack together

Mother, my memory just sucks

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: SAR] aubergine

See like, if you said it, I'd be like "sure, I'm cool if you die"

Do you feel that strongly about SAR?

Strongly enough to put a naked vote down? Yeah. Low bar though, dude.

[SARdoghandler]

If Miranda does flip wolf, it would lead to some interesting interactions with living players too. Like I don't think she and Seanzie are very compatible as a pair

[SARdoghandler]

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Now I want to see if it's an actual tell

[miranda920]

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Now I want to see if it's an actual tell

Noooooo, why?

[Seanzie]

If Miranda does flip wolf, it would lead to some interesting interactions with living players too. Like I don't think she and Seanzie are very compatible as a pair

Why?

[NateTheLesser]

Tried to put together everything we know about mech, let me know if I missed anything that someone has claimed.

-- Dead Wolves --

Creature (died d2)
* 2-shot jailkeeper
* 1-shot SDN post restriction (used on mighty)

falcon (died n2)
* Vanilla
* 1-shot SDN doctor

dya/Lawpy (died d3)
* 1-shot n1/n2 poisoner (likely poisoned Zenge)
* 1-shot SDN roleblock immunity

genny (died d4)
* 3-shot even night role cop
* 1-shot factional Syndicate janitor (used on Marmot, intentionally or not)

-- ?? --
Marmot (died n2)
* ???

-- Dead Town --

Scotty (died d1)
* Vanilla
* Grants extra role shot (unused)

AM (died n1)
* 1-shot N3+ voyeur (unused)
* Grants extra post cap

pyxxy (died n1)
* 3-shot vote distributor (dya/Lawpy claimed the extra vote n1)

Sporty (died n1)
* 3-shot voyeur

Zenge (died d2)
* Even-night motion detector (unused)

PSV (died n2)
* 2-shot odd-night vigilante (killed one of AM/pyxxy/Sporty n1)

Wilgy/tutuu (died n3)
* 2-shot doctor (likely Mac n2, Mayo n3)

Kate/Mac
* Vanilla

-- Live Claims --

miranda
* 2-shot watcher (Creature n1)

Neon
* 2-shot roleblocker (Dennis n1, Marmot n2)

Dennis
* Saw tutuu visit Mac on n2

Sloonei
* 2-shot Inventor (falcon n2, genny n3)

SAR
* Knew genny used her role on PSV n2

Nate
* Broadcaster

[SARdoghandler]

If Miranda does flip wolf, it would lead to some interesting interactions with living players too. Like I don't think she and Seanzie are very compatible as a pair

Why?

Her pushing you and genny yesterday would feel like very unusual wolf theatrics to me. More likely that you're village if she flips wolf. I can quote the posts I mean if you give me a second

[SARdoghandler]

Wow I hate trying to quote from isos. I just thought I quoted 5 posts, only managed to capture one apparently

@santygrass is this skill issue?

[santygrass]

I have achieved Nirvana. My understanding of Dubz playstyle is so good tha I can now recreate what she would be reading SAR as of right now. I have unlocked a SAR soulread with extra steps tm .


* In Dubz voice * : SAR is Town

[NateTheLesser]

Day Votes

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Day 1


Day 2


Day 3


Day 4

Waterfall


EOD Wagons

[SARdoghandler]

I have achieved Nirvana. My understanding of Dubz playstyle is so good tha I can now recreate what she would be reading SAR as of right now. I have unlocked a SAR soulread with extra steps tm .


* In Dubz voice * : SAR is Town

[santygrass]

Wow I hate trying to quote from isos. I just thought I quoted 5 posts, only managed to capture one apparently

@santygrass is this skill issue?

Yes. Been there.

I think when you open multiple tabs it doesnt keep track of the quoted live if it makes sense.

So, if you multiquote one post, when you go to the other tab have to f5 so it shows you the previous post, and then multiquote the new post. And ad infinitum

[santygrass]

Omg my waterfall is so red Miranda and Dennis be scum pls

[NateTheLesser]

For some reason I was thinking EOD was in 10 minutes, but it's not. Cool.

[santygrass]

Now that I check almost all the waterfalls have a lot of red and I don't feel so special anymore

[SARdoghandler]

Anyway, I was trying to quote these posts:
#3587; 3817; 4043; 4059; 4085

Essentially, Miranda always pairing reads of genny and seanzie as similar, with a side of Santy sometimes. Overall, I doubt that miranda/genny/seanzie are all wolves

[SARdoghandler]

Wow I hate trying to quote from isos. I just thought I quoted 5 posts, only managed to capture one apparently

@santygrass is this skill issue?

Yes. Been there.

I think when you open multiple tabs it doesnt keep track of the quoted live if it makes sense.

So, if you multiquote one post, when you go to the other tab have to f5 so it shows you the previous post, and then multiquote the new post. And ad infinitum

Yeah I tried refreshing and it still wouldn't pick it up so I gave up for now haha

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I forgot to update the post caps apparently, but nobody was even close so whatever. It's lifted now.

[miranda920]

Well I hate this one, but this is where I’m at due to my process of elimination

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Forgive me, mother

[SARdoghandler]

Well I hate this one, but this is where I’m at due to my process of elimination

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Forgive me, mother

Lol this is actually the most eyebrow raising post you've made thus far. How did I go from village lean to top in POE?

Self-pres I understand but this progression doesn't make sense

[SARdoghandler]

Well I hate this one, but this is where I’m at due to my process of elimination

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Forgive me, mother

[Mayo the Mayo]

[VOTE: SAR] aubergine

See like, if you said it, I'd be like "sure, I'm cool if you die"

Do you feel that strongly about SAR?

Strongly enough to put a naked vote down? Yeah. Low bar though, dude.

Context is key, but can be hard to track.

SVS is saying if it’s not Miranda then she should kill them.

Do you feel that strongly about your vote?


Why might that be?

[miranda920]

Well I hate this one, but this is where I’m at due to my process of elimination

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Forgive me, mother

Lol this is actually the most eyebrow raising post you've made thus far. How did I go from village lean to top in POE?

Self-pres I understand but this progression doesn't make sense

You were only in my village lean because I really don’t want to not town read you

But I had a post earlier where I discussed why you or MR7 would be where I am at now

[NateTheLesser]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: SAR] aubergine

See like, if you said it, I'd be like "sure, I'm cool if you die"

Do you feel that strongly about SAR?

Strongly enough to put a naked vote down? Yeah. Low bar though, dude.

Context is key, but can be hard to track.

SVS is saying if it’s not Miranda then she should kill them.

Do you feel that strongly about your vote?


Why might that be?

I do not.

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Why do I play this game. No matter what happens today I'm gonna be upset lol

[SARdoghandler]

I'm interested in why @Seanzie is on SAR, she doesn't feel overtly scummy to me

She honestly sounds pretty typical town SAR to me. But I’ve never played a game with her where she was a wolf, so I can’t speak to that.

SAR - leans town

Here I'll give you some updated reads, although not too much has changed

SAR - leans town, but that's only because I am inherently biased

If there is one WC left, I think by process of elimination we are between MR7 and SAR (as much as I hate that)

@miranda920 These posts are all the ones where you directly reference a read on me. I'm sorry, but I don't think your progression makes sense if you are village. You went from having a town read on me for reasons, to hedging but village reading, to voting me as top POE. This does feel like you're trying to find a reason to vote me without looking as sketchy as it is

[NateTheLesser]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?

Yep.

[NateTheLesser]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?

Yep.

Did you know what genny did, or not until she claimed/flipped?

[NateTheLesser]

@Dennis you around?

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?

Yep.

Did you know what genny did, or not until she claimed/flipped?

I did not know exactly what she did until the flip but I knew some things she did not do

[Mayo the Mayo]

[VOTE: SAR] aubergine

See like, if you said it, I'd be like "sure, I'm cool if you die"

Do you feel that strongly about SAR?

Strongly enough to put a naked vote down? Yeah. Low bar though, dude.

Context is key, but can be hard to track.

SVS is saying if it’s not Miranda then she should kill them.

Do you feel that strongly about your vote?


Why might that be?

I do not.

Then why are you voting there?

[Dennis]

@Dennis you around?

Hardly paying attention but I'm here

[Sloonei]

I gotta ISO SAR doghandler real quick.

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Anyway, I'm home from work and definitely not going to get caught up in the hour remaining. So if someone has a tldr of the current lead wagons that would be awesome

Otherwise I'll probably just make a bad impulsive decision based on whoever's around right now and sets off the peter tingle

SAR missed most of the early action in the game. Not a criticism, just making note of it. Anything from early Day 1 is being skipped over here.

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Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..

Are you feeling anyone else off the two top wagons?

First real relevant post is inquiring about expanding off of the two main wagons. One of those wagons was Creature, but the other was Town Scotty. Werecreatures had no need to try to find an alternative wagon when a perfectly suitable Scotty wagon was sitting right there.

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Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..

Are you feeling anyone else off the two top wagons?

Do this for now

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I am unsure why this Dennis vote gets a ninja react.

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I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.

Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.

This feels... Hedgey.

SAR responds to one of my posts with some implied mild skepticism. I am used to this sort of thing, but still wary of it as a potentially easy suspicion for mafiers to latch onto.

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Also who tf thought it would be shits and giggles to kill AM on N1?

Because it's just shits and shits tbh

This would certainly be a bold reaction if SAR was a member of the team that killed AM. But we don't know for sure who was responsible for that kill, so moot point.

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I have actually now read today (wow, medal pls) and at least one page of isos for my fellow SDNers. Zenge, PSV, and Miranda are basically lock town imo

Santy and mighty feeling scummy. Dy is difficult to read, but don't have that slot spewing village.

Genny, Nate, and Mayo feel ok right now. But I did make a note while reading yesterday that I haven't felt the genny!wayTM yet so going to keep watching for that

Some reads. I do like that SAR appears to be offering reads freely without provocation, but that's not really enough to earn a town read. But it's Not A Bad Look. The most interesting thing to me here is that Miranda was "basically lock town" at this point. Genny also gets special attention, which might be a good thing, though it doesn't amount to much yet.
I'll need to see this reads expanded on and developed to have much to say about them.

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[VOTE: Santygrass] aubergine

for now. Mostly to see if I can Beetlejeuse him

Meh vote.

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I'll probably get around to isoing Syndicates people sometime tomorrow because it's not happening today.

Gut feels say McD leaning village. And I'm not super interested in pushing Creature today because their town read list with so many SDNers on it felt like a silly move for a wolf so they can have some mild village points too.

Town read on Mac is fine, but standard issue. Everyone knew Mac was town the second he walked in.
The resistance to a Creature vote is a mild concern here. It is at least substantiated in a believable way.

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Aw yiss finally a vote for me. Feels good, man

I am programmed to furrow my brow at posts like this.

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Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

All of SAR's reads at this point are on SDN folks, which is fine. This looks like SAR is hinting at the possibility of maybe suspecting dya, but it's barely anything at all. It's hard to call any of these reads firm except for the three town reads at the end.

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Wow I have no idea where in posts I left off when I went to bed yesterday because the "new replies" jumped me well past there so guess I need to go back and find that now. Grump.

Interesting tie tho. But I think I'll

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Because I feel PSV and Zenge are strong town and I think getting the Zenge v Falcon solve would be good

Not a bad vote for Falcon here. Falcon was a fairly prominent suspect at this stage, but not a sure thing to go over by any means. The reasoning also looks believable.

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I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.

I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday

While voting for Falcon, SAR asks santy to explain why Creature should also be voted. If SAR is teammates with both Falcon and Creature, she is playing a dangerous game here. If we want to interpret this as resisting a Creature vote: Why bother pushing back against Creature while simultaneously voting for Falcon? If we interpret it as encouraging more discussion about the Creature case: Why is SAR so comfortable bussing two teammates at once? Especially at a point when SAR herself was not exactly high-presence in the thread. I think this is a good look for SAR, on both tone and content.

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I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.

I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday

You seem to have no read on Falcon at all yet voted them despite identifying that Zenge was tunneling because voting Falcon is the only way you know how to get Zenge out of tunnel?

Am I reading this correctly?

Yeah that about sums it up. I probably got in way over my head with this game tbh. I knew that it was probably going to be high posting compared to the typical SDN game but when we are on D2 and already over 50 pages... Well, like I said. I'm over my head. I usually have ~30-60 of dedicated time to play per day. So add that to the fact I'm unfamiliar with half the roster so can't make snap reads and

It's sub par but right now sheeping my top village reads is at least something. If ya'll want to yeet me for it, that's cool so that at least I'm not a distraction later but if you think my reads and posts would be this bad if I had a pack behind me to feed me things... Well, I got bad news

I don't object to this mindset from a civilian. But do I believe it? Gun to my head... yes, kind of.

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One thing I worry about is that the SDN players seem to more compulsively townread each other which is causing an overemphasis on Syndicators who don't do that. Yesterday and today all viable wagons have been Syndicators. SDNers are over emphasising on Syndicators and Syndicators are ignoring SDNers due to no SDNers having strong pushes onto other SDNers.

SDNers need to make more effort to find the wolves in the other SDNers or wolf SDNers are gonna skate.

SDNers.

This is a good point that I'd like to see all SDNers respond to in some way.

As long as it isn't Zenge, PSV, or Miranda, then I think any of the other SDNers are within a wolf meta currently.

Santy gets eyebrows for sussing me because he should know this is pretty stock normal play. He's seen me wolf somewhat recently and this ain't it. Genny not being at least a little here and sassy is concerning, but she is usually a low poster like I am so also could be overwhelmed. I used to have a very good track record of reading her and nothing has stood out as village genny thus far on iso. Mayo feels village for tone but he's a good, sneaky wolf.

I can't read Nate or Lawpy well (esp Lawp - I tunneled him hard last game we played both as village) so dipping out of that for now

This just doesn't feel like somebody who is teamed with Lawpy and Genny. The way SAR talks about each of them is distinct from the other. Genny is a default suspect due to their lower-than-normal volume, while Lawpy is somebody SAR chooses to abstain from reading for now. These reads don't feel labored at all either. SAR is very direct and to the point, even if the reads themselves aren't super detailed. I'm inclined to like that on its own.

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Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

We recently had a game here with a Mafia Fruit Vendor. Just saying.

Agreed, it wouldn’t clear him. I think it is a fake claim regardless.

The explanation didn’t really make sense. It should also be clear by now that I have a reason for asking him that question on the first place.

Sorry I may be being obtuse but fake claim in what sense? In that you didn't receive a fruit? In that you received a fruit but you don't think it was from Lawp? In that you received a fruit but you think it is a community role and not Lawp's important role? None of the above?

SAR is engaging with Mayo's Lawpy trap. Interesting. Let's see where this goes.

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I mean, everything is going to be based off of a partial read because I'm not going back to D1 outside of ISOs and I've read ~75% of D2. We're doing well today, I think I've read nearly everything.

Reads right now look like

Mac
Tutuu
Mayo

Miranda
MR7

SVS*
Neon*
Nate
Sloonei*
Dennis*

Seanzie*
genny
Santy

Lawpy

Stars denote players I want to take time to do iso's of because I'm ranking them more on gut feel - hence why they're mostly mid-pack so I need to sort those out more concretely. Basically slotted where it felt right on tone since I have no meta but didn't have as many obvious village points that gave me my Tutuu/Mac reads

I do not hate this rainbow list. I'm unsure how buried Lawpy was at this stage, so it's tough to give SAR (or anyone besides Mayo) too much credit for having Lawpy as a primary suspect here. The inclusion of Genny near the bottom is also a good look. SAR also has a couple names in green (Miranda and MR7) that a wolf would need as suspects at this stage of the game, so I might like that.

[VOTE: Lawpy] aubergine

A vote for Lawpy. See previous comment. Not a bad look, but hard to give too much credit for this vote at this stage.

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I wish genny would come back because her absence is NAI but I wish she'd say some things so I could form a better read



We're just going to pretend that says genny because it's the closest I could get

Is this how a teammate calls out their inactive partner in the thread? I don't know, maybe it's a thing SAR would do. But my gut reaction is that this looks like an authentic plea for Genny to make herself easier to read. Which would be a good look for SAR. This a gut/tonal read, and that is something that SAR could probably fake with ease. But whatever.

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Somewhere @Mayo the Mayo I think you asked for my updated reads but I can't remember if ti was you for sure or not but anyway, here. This is still leaning largely on finding the (hopefully) last werecreature and will require re-eval once we're looking for a second scum faction

Mac
Mayo

Miranda
MR7
Sloonei
Dennis

SVS
Neon
Nate

Seanzie
genny
Santy

I wonder what I did to move out of the yellow.

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......

?

How do you feel about me reversing my weak read on you based on almost nothing? Super wolfy, right?

Eh. Could have been wolfy moving off because no one else seemed to want to join you but since my name keeps coming up repeatedly I think most wolves might see me as an easy push rn. So you moving for weak reasons might actually afford you some village points

I'm debating switching to Santy but I want to ponder that to make sure it's not just because he thinks my play is lazy and annoying. Which is funny since we've played together before and I'm not playing any different than I usually do. So trying to decide if I find that wolfy overall (see easy push logic above) or if I'm leaning blindly retaliatory

You moving to Santy in this game state is likely synonymous with a vote on Genny (I mean... it is possible that Santy can become a wagon, they're name is in people's mouths, but more likely it stays on me/Genny). How does that make you feel?

I am okay flipping genny at this point because her contributing less than me and not helping to at least push thread state forward when she is here is a problem. I have reasons to suspect that she may not be a were creature but those are based on a lot of assumptions and I don't think it's valuable to put those assumptions out in thread today. If it's genny/you then at least you are here and posting so if you're scum we can catch you later with more to go on. So if me voting Santy pushes genny more, I'm cool with it

I just do not feel like SAR's posts in this exchange come from mafia. Both in terms of tone and content. On content, the read on Genny feels very natural. There is a little bit of hesitation toward voting for Genny, but it's not the kind of resistance I would expect from a teammate. She's stating plainly that she has reservations about the vote, but does not feel strongly enough about them to stand in the way of the wagon.

On tone, SAR is very casual and fluid. I can't see people as they type away at their keyboards, but I can just picture these words flowing out of SAR's fingertips without any labor involved. She is an open book here.

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genny I doubt most of your wagon intends to move unless you give them some good reason why they should

i'm an even-night role seer and tonight's an even night?

Who did you previously target and why?

you're going to love this - i checked psv on the night she died lol

Lol sounds like something I would do...

Why PSV?

psv and i seem to have trouble finding each other as town, and i thought maybe it would help

Ok. And if PSV had lived you would have learned her ability(ies) yes?

This interaction would be easy enough to fake if Genny and SAR are teammates. But it does not have to be faked.

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FTR I believe genny's claim

Does Genny's teammate bother to stick up for her at a time like this? (~45 minutes before EoD with Genny leading in the poll, I believe).

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Is only Mac here or what?

I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement

Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?

I don't think genny is a hit

Sometimes town is just wrong about things. SAR was consistent and direct in her defense of Genny towards the end of Day 4 (she believed Genny's claim and thought it looked like something town Genny would do). I don't think this defense needs to reflect poorly on Genny, especially when SAR was open to criticism of Genny throughout the game prior to this moment. I can see a natural progression before SAR arrived at this point.

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Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny

Do you feel like that claim is beyond !wolf genny's meta?

I feel like scum genny never uses on a player their faction is going to kill. Does not totally rule out her being other faction but I'm inclined to lean not for now

Would scum!Genny lie about who they used it on?

She didn't.

Is this somehow deducible from things in the thread that I missed, or are you making a claim of information?

I've been softing info all day on thread. So, technically both now

I wasn't exactly looking for this, but I didn't see any instances of "softing" this, unless SAR is simply referring to her entire town read on Genny.

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I was lowkey hoping to die tonight . Why my suffering has to continue

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Hello I feel better about you now

Something happened that made SAR feel better about Santy. Maybe it was just Genny's flip. I'd like to hear more about SAR's read on Santy regardless.

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I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.

I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning

I do not know why my name appears here. Mayo is a strong town read and I don't think I have said anything to the contrary.

And now we're caught up to the present day, where some interesting things have happened, but I don't think it's pertinent to include them in this ISO.

Conclusion: SAR looks town. Not just "inconclusive, GTH I'd call her town." But there was a consistent tone and energy throughout this ISO that felt very authentic. I can easily pick out real progressions, and do not sense any discomfort or tension from any of SAR's posts.

I will not be voting for SAR today. Given the current state of things, I guess that means I need to vote for Miranda.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm interested in why @Seanzie is on SAR, she doesn't feel overtly scummy to me

She honestly sounds pretty typical town SAR to me. But I’ve never played a game with her where she was a wolf, so I can’t speak to that.

SAR - leans town

Here I'll give you some updated reads, although not too much has changed

SAR - leans town, but that's only because I am inherently biased

If there is one WC left, I think by process of elimination we are between MR7 and SAR (as much as I hate that)

@miranda920 These posts are all the ones where you directly reference a read on me. I'm sorry, but I don't think your progression makes sense if you are village. You went from having a town read on me for reasons, to hedging but village reading, to voting me as top POE. This does feel like you're trying to find a reason to vote me without looking as sketchy as it is

Intresting cause I think the slow progression of the read over time is inherently towny

[NateTheLesser]

SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?

Yep.

Did you know what genny did, or not until she claimed/flipped?

I did not know exactly what she did until the flip but I knew some things she did not do

Ok, so you didn't know it was genny then either until she claimed, but it lined up when she did.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Inb4 I get told "we get it you town read Miranda"

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

I can see a world where Miranda is mafia, but I can also easily see one where she is town. But I just spent this phase trying to remove players from the POE, and was unable to do so with her. Also we don't really have time to change course anyway, so I am just crossing my fingers at this point.

SVS will deserve to be looked at if Miranda flips town.

[NateTheLesser]

@Dennis you around?

Hardly paying attention but I'm here

Why didn't you watch Mac last night?