I gotta ISO SAR doghandler real quick.
SARdoghandler wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 8:53 pm
Anyway, I'm home from work and definitely not going to get caught up in the hour remaining. So if someone has a tldr of the current lead wagons that would be awesome
Otherwise I'll probably just make a bad impulsive decision based on whoever's around right now and sets off the peter tingle
SAR missed most of the early action in the game. Not a criticism, just making note of it. Anything from early Day 1 is being skipped over here.
SARdoghandler wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:36 pm
Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..
Are you feeling anyone else off the two top wagons?
First real relevant post is inquiring about expanding off of the two main wagons. One of those wagons was Creature, but the other was Town Scotty. Werecreatures had no need to try to find an alternative wagon when a perfectly suitable Scotty wagon was sitting right there.
SARdoghandler wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:41 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:36 pm
Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..
Are you feeling anyone else off the two top wagons?
NateTheLesser wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm
Do this for now
[VOTE:
Dennis] aubergine
I am unsure why this Dennis vote gets a ninja react.
SARdoghandler wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: βThu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 pm
I am ambivalent with how quickly and easily the Scotty wagon came together. I still believe in what I said about him at the outset. But it was not at all a complete "case", and my hope was that it would spur some fruitful discussion. That was somewhat dependent on Scotty himself being active and engaged. But even without his presence, it feels like people have adopted the Scotty vote because it is convenient. This is not an accusation at anyone in particular, but just an observation of how the wagons have formed over the past two hours.
Having said all of that, I am not feeling compelled to move my vote. I have some reservations, but I still feel more strongly about flipping Scotty than anyone else right now.
This feels... Hedgey.
SAR responds to one of my posts with some implied mild skepticism. I am used to this sort of thing, but still wary of it as a potentially easy suspicion for mafiers to latch onto.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 4:17 pm
Also who tf thought it would be shits and giggles to kill AM on N1?
Because it's just shits and shits tbh
This would certainly be a bold reaction if SAR was a member of the team that killed AM. But we don't know for sure who was responsible for that kill, so moot point.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 4:21 pm
I have actually now read today (wow, medal pls) and at least one page of isos for my fellow SDNers. Zenge, PSV, and Miranda are basically lock town imo
Santy and mighty feeling scummy. Dy is difficult to read, but don't have that slot spewing village.
Genny, Nate, and Mayo feel ok right now. But I did make a note while reading yesterday that I haven't felt the genny!wayTM yet so going to keep watching for that
Some reads. I do like that SAR appears to be offering reads freely without provocation, but that's not really enough to earn a town read. But it's Not A Bad Look. The most interesting thing to me here is that Miranda was "basically lock town" at this point. Genny also gets special attention, which might be a good thing, though it doesn't amount to much yet.
I'll need to see this reads expanded on and developed to have much to say about them.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 4:25 pm
[VOTE:
Santygrass] aubergine
for now. Mostly to see if I can Beetlejeuse him
Meh vote.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 4:30 pm
I'll probably get around to isoing Syndicates people sometime tomorrow because it's not happening today.
Gut feels say McD leaning village. And I'm not super interested in pushing Creature today because their town read list with so many SDNers on it felt like a silly move for a wolf so they can have some mild village points too.
Town read on Mac is fine, but standard issue. Everyone knew Mac was town the second he walked in.
The resistance to a Creature vote is a mild concern here. It is at least substantiated in a believable way.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 4:54 pm
Aw yiss finally a vote for me. Feels good, man
I am programmed to furrow my brow at posts like this.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 6:03 pm
santygrass wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 5:58 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 22, 2023 5:49 pm
Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy
[VOTE:
unvote] aubergine
Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?
I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?
I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?
I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.
Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda
All of SAR's reads at this point are on SDN folks, which is fine. This looks like SAR is hinting at the possibility of maybe suspecting dya, but it's barely anything at all. It's hard to call any of these reads firm except for the three town reads at the end.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 9:28 am
Wow I have no idea where in posts I left off when I went to bed yesterday because the "new replies" jumped me well past there so guess I need to go back and find that now. Grump.
Interesting tie tho. But I think I'll
[VOTE:
falcon] aubergine
Because I feel PSV and Zenge are strong town and I think getting the Zenge v Falcon solve would be good
Not a bad vote for Falcon here. Falcon was a fairly prominent suspect at this stage, but not a sure thing to go over by any means. The reasoning also looks believable.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 9:39 am
santygrass wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am
I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town
@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7
I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.
I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday
While voting for Falcon, SAR asks santy to explain why Creature should also be voted. If SAR is teammates with both Falcon and Creature, she is playing a dangerous game here. If we want to interpret this as resisting a Creature vote: Why bother pushing back against Creature while simultaneously voting for Falcon? If we interpret it as encouraging more discussion about the Creature case: Why is SAR so comfortable bussing two teammates at once? Especially at a point when SAR herself was not exactly high-presence in the thread. I think this is a good look for SAR, on both tone and content.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 6:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 5:18 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 9:39 am
santygrass wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 9:32 am
I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town
@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7
I'm willing to redirect, but wanted to get a vote on the board at the very least.
I want to get Zenge out of his tunnel because he's an extremely valuable town player but if he's going to hyperfocus on his falcon read then I don't know how else to do that. I've seen some of the points on Marmot/Creature (read back over the past two pages or so). Can you elaborate on why you feel strongly Creature is a hit? If you've already explicitly detailed, then directing me to a post is fine but I doubt I'll be able to do a full catch up today like I did yesterday
You seem to have no read on Falcon at all yet voted them despite identifying that Zenge was tunneling because voting Falcon is the only way you know how to get Zenge out of tunnel?
Am I reading this correctly?
Yeah that about sums it up. I probably got in way over my head with this game tbh. I knew that it was probably going to be high posting compared to the typical SDN game but when we are on D2 and already over 50 pages... Well, like I said. I'm over my head. I usually have ~30-60 of dedicated time to play per day. So add that to the fact I'm unfamiliar with half the roster so can't make snap reads and
It's sub par but right now sheeping my top village reads is at least
something. If ya'll want to yeet me for it, that's cool so that at least I'm not a distraction later but if you think my reads and posts would be this bad if I had a pack behind me to feed me things... Well, I got bad news
I don't object to this mindset from a civilian. But do I believe it? Gun to my head... yes, kind of.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 6:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: βSun Apr 23, 2023 6:00 pm
One thing I worry about is that the SDN players seem to more compulsively townread each other which is causing an overemphasis on Syndicators who don't do that. Yesterday and today all viable wagons have been Syndicators. SDNers are over emphasising on Syndicators and Syndicators are ignoring SDNers due to no SDNers having strong pushes onto other SDNers.
SDNers need to make more effort to find the wolves in the other SDNers or wolf SDNers are gonna skate.
SDNers.
This is a good point that I'd like to see all SDNers respond to in some way.
As long as it isn't Zenge, PSV, or Miranda, then I think any of the other SDNers are within a wolf meta currently.
Santy gets eyebrows for sussing me because he should know this is pretty stock normal play. He's seen me wolf somewhat recently and this ain't it. Genny not being at least a little here and sassy is concerning, but she is usually a low poster like I am so also could be overwhelmed. I used to have a very good track record of reading her and nothing has stood out as village genny thus far on iso. Mayo feels village for tone but he's a good, sneaky wolf.
I can't read Nate or Lawpy well (esp Lawp - I tunneled him hard last game we played both as village) so dipping out of that for now
This just doesn't feel like somebody who is teamed with Lawpy and Genny. The way SAR talks about each of them is distinct from the other. Genny is a default suspect due to their lower-than-normal volume, while Lawpy is somebody SAR chooses to abstain from reading for now. These reads don't feel labored at all either. SAR is very direct and to the point, even if the reads themselves aren't super detailed. I'm inclined to like that on its own.
SARdoghandler wrote: βTue Apr 25, 2023 8:33 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: βTue Apr 25, 2023 8:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: βTue Apr 25, 2023 6:31 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: βMon Apr 24, 2023 11:16 pm
Lawpy wrote: βMon Apr 24, 2023 11:14 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: βMon Apr 24, 2023 11:08 pm
Lawpy wrote: βMon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm
Fruits by their nature donβt do anything but be consumed pls.
I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that donβt have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.
How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??
Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?
Did your write your name on it?
Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?
A convenient fake claim in this instance.
You said it was to reassess my affiliation.
How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?
We recently had a game here with a Mafia Fruit Vendor. Just saying.
Agreed, it wouldnβt clear him. I think it is a fake claim regardless.
The explanation didnβt really make sense. It should also be clear by now that I have a reason for asking him that question on the first place.
Sorry I may be being obtuse but fake claim in what sense? In that you didn't receive a fruit? In that you received a fruit but you don't think it was from Lawp? In that you received a fruit but you think it is a community role and not Lawp's important role? None of the above?
SAR is engaging with Mayo's Lawpy trap. Interesting. Let's see where this goes.
SARdoghandler wrote: βWed Apr 26, 2023 5:50 pm
I mean, everything is going to be based off of a partial read because I'm not going back to D1 outside of ISOs and I've read ~75% of D2. We're doing well today, I think I've read nearly everything.
Reads right now look like
Mac
Tutuu
Mayo
Miranda
MR7
SVS*
Neon*
Nate
Sloonei*
Dennis*
Seanzie*
genny
Santy
Lawpy
Stars denote players I want to take time to do iso's of because I'm ranking them more on gut feel - hence why they're mostly mid-pack so I need to sort those out more concretely. Basically slotted where it felt right on tone since I have no meta but didn't have as many obvious village points that gave me my Tutuu/Mac reads
I do not hate this rainbow list. I'm unsure how buried Lawpy was at this stage, so it's tough to give SAR (or anyone besides Mayo) too much credit for having Lawpy as a primary suspect here. The inclusion of Genny near the bottom is also a good look. SAR also has a couple names in green (Miranda and MR7) that a wolf would need as suspects at this stage of the game, so I might like that.
A vote for Lawpy. See previous comment. Not a bad look, but hard to give too much credit for this vote at this stage.
SARdoghandler wrote: βWed Apr 26, 2023 5:53 pm
I wish genny would come back because her absence is NAI but I wish she'd say some things so I could form a better read
We're just going to pretend that says genny because it's the closest I could get
Is this how a teammate calls out their inactive partner in the thread? I don't know, maybe it's a thing SAR would do. But my gut reaction is that this looks like an authentic plea for Genny to make herself easier to read. Which would be a good look for SAR. This a gut/tonal read, and that is something that SAR could probably fake with ease. But whatever.
SARdoghandler wrote: βFri Apr 28, 2023 3:20 pm
Somewhere @Mayo the Mayo I think you asked for my updated reads but I can't remember if ti was you for sure or not but anyway, here. This is still leaning largely on finding the (hopefully) last werecreature and will require re-eval once we're looking for a second scum faction
Mac
Mayo
Miranda
MR7
Sloonei
Dennis
SVS
Neon
Nate
Seanzie
genny
Santy
I wonder what I did to move out of the yellow.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 11:09 am
Seanzie wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 10:59 am
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 10:52 am
Seanzie wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 10:41 am
How do you feel about me reversing my weak read on you based on almost nothing? Super wolfy, right?
Eh. Could have been wolfy moving off because no one else seemed to want to join you but since my name keeps coming up repeatedly I think most wolves might see me as an easy push rn. So you moving for weak reasons might actually afford you some village points
I'm debating switching to Santy but I want to ponder that to make sure it's not just because he thinks my play is lazy and annoying. Which is funny since we've played together before and I'm not playing any different than I usually do. So trying to decide if I find that wolfy overall (see easy push logic above) or if I'm leaning blindly retaliatory
You moving to Santy in this game state is likely synonymous with a vote on Genny (I mean... it is possible that Santy can become a wagon, they're name is in people's mouths, but more likely it stays on me/Genny). How does that make you feel?
I am okay flipping genny at this point because her contributing less than me and not helping to at least push thread state forward when she is here is a problem. I have reasons to suspect that she may not be a were creature but those are based on a lot of assumptions and I don't think it's valuable to put those assumptions out in thread today. If it's genny/you then at least you are here and posting so if you're scum we can catch you later with more to go on. So if me voting Santy pushes genny more, I'm cool with it
I just do not feel like SAR's posts in this exchange come from mafia. Both in terms of tone and content. On content, the read on Genny feels very natural. There is a little bit of hesitation toward voting for Genny, but it's not the kind of resistance I would expect from a teammate. She's stating plainly that she has reservations about the vote, but does not feel strongly enough about them to stand in the way of the wagon.
On tone, SAR is very casual and fluid. I can't see people as they type away at their keyboards, but I can just picture these words flowing out of SAR's fingertips without any labor involved. She is an open book here.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:11 pm
genny wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:09 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:07 pm
genny wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:06 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:05 pm
genny wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:05 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:03 pm
genny I doubt most of your wagon intends to move unless you give them some good reason why they should
i'm an even-night role seer and tonight's an even night?
Who did you previously target and why?
you're going to love this - i checked psv on the night she died lol
Lol sounds like something I would do...
Why PSV?
psv and i seem to have trouble finding each other as town, and i thought maybe it would help
Ok. And if PSV had lived you would have learned her ability(ies) yes?
This interaction would be easy enough to fake if Genny and SAR are teammates. But it does not have to be faked.
Does Genny's teammate bother to stick up for her at a time like this? (~45 minutes before EoD with Genny leading in the poll, I believe).
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm
Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Movement in what direction?
You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit
Sometimes town is just wrong about things. SAR was consistent and direct in her defense of Genny towards the end of Day 4 (she believed Genny's claim and thought it looked like something town Genny would do). I don't think this defense needs to reflect poorly on Genny, especially when SAR was open to criticism of Genny throughout the game prior to this moment. I can see a natural progression before SAR arrived at this point.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:51 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:43 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: βSat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm
Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny
Do you feel like that claim is beyond !wolf genny's meta?
I feel like scum genny never uses on a player their faction is going to kill. Does not totally rule out her being other faction but I'm inclined to lean not for now
Would scum!Genny lie about who they used it on?
She didn't.
Is this somehow deducible from things in the thread that I missed, or are you making a claim of information?
I've been softing info all day on thread. So, technically both now
I wasn't exactly looking for this, but I didn't see any instances of "softing" this, unless SAR is simply referring to her entire town read on Genny.
SARdoghandler wrote: βSun Apr 30, 2023 10:04 pm
santygrass wrote: βSun Apr 30, 2023 10:03 pm
I was lowkey hoping to die tonight . Why my suffering has to continue
[VOTE:
Sloonei] aubergine
Hello I feel better about you now
Something happened that made SAR feel better about Santy. Maybe it was just Genny's flip. I'd like to hear more about SAR's read on Santy regardless.
SARdoghandler wrote: βMon May 01, 2023 11:22 am
I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.
I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning
I do not know why my name appears here. Mayo is a strong town read and I don't think I have said anything to the contrary.
And now we're caught up to the present day, where some interesting things have happened, but I don't think it's pertinent to include them in this ISO.
Conclusion: SAR looks town. Not just "inconclusive, GTH I'd call her town." But there was a consistent tone and energy throughout this ISO that felt very authentic. I can easily pick out real progressions, and do not sense any discomfort or tension from any of SAR's posts.
I will not be voting for SAR today. Given the current state of things, I guess that means I need to vote for Miranda.