The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I dunno. I've been wrong before.

I find your insistence that MacDougall is town more disturbing than the votes against him.

MacDougall even said sticking to Day 2 reads is foolish (implying you are foolish), but does not have any qualm with your townread of him. This scenario feels uncomfortable to me. Tell me why we shouldn't lynch you and/or MacDougall.

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote: WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?

Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.

Elohcin wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote: WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?

Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.

If Mac turns out to be bad, then Russ' theory could be true. I agree that Epi has been less confident this game. He himself said he was being more "observant". But didn't Epi go after Mac as being the SK first and try to get him lynched for that? I don;t think that would be smart move on Epi's part b/c he wold be untrusted once Mac was proved to not be the SK.

And now I will vote Mac. His responses to the accusations against him continue to ping me.

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You wanted Sorsha's head for information.

What information do you have?

That you missed a kill last night.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote: WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?

Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.

If Mac turns out to be bad, then Russ' theory could be true. I agree that Epi has been less confident this game. He himself said he was being more "observant". But didn't Epi go after Mac as being the SK first and try to get him lynched for that? I don;t think that would be smart move on Epi's part b/c he wold be untrusted once Mac was proved to not be the SK.

And now I will vote Mac. His responses to the accusations against him continue to ping me.

No. I think MacDougall is a co-conspirator with Long Con. I don't think serial killers can be caught in the first half of a game outside of luck, so I don't bother hunting them until Mafia are eliminated.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac had a pretty obvious reason for responding to Epi in that way. Why are you not acknowledging it?

Ricochet wrote:JJJ, you said we had 3 mislynches and we're headed for #4. The previous 3 were more or less following the same path of judgement, the one I'm proposing is on the different side of the spectrum. If you are saying paths A and B are wrong, then give me path C or D of hunting LC's teammates, the six of them. Give me logical, if logical is what you stand for.

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac had a pretty obvious reason for responding to Epi in that way. Why are you not acknowledging it?

He still has to justify a previous case or plead, it's not just about Epi. Why do evasive maneuvers so much, if you are claiming to be civvie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:JJJ, you said we had 3 mislynches and we're headed for #4. The previous 3 were more or less following the same path of judgement, the one I'm proposing is on the different side of the spectrum. If you are saying paths A and B are wrong, then give me path C or D of hunting LC's teammates, the six of them. Give me logical, if logical is what you stand for.

There is no uniform path. Everything is contextual.

Sometimes baddies defend their team mates. Sometimes baddies bus their team mates. Sometimes baddies ignore their team mates.

The job of the townie is to judge all of those things within the proper thread context and determine which one happens when. The correct answer is not A or B or C or D, it is all of the above.

I do think one or more of LC's team mates bussed him, or at least created distance. I don't think it was an elaborate, organized operation, but I'd imagine someone on his team opposed him at some point.

I don't think the evidence supports Mac being that person.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mac had a pretty obvious reason for responding to Epi in that way. Why are you not acknowledging it?

He still has to justify a previous case or plead, it's not just about Epi. Why do evasive maneuvers so much, if you are claiming to be civvie?

Why quit and get modkilled if you are civvie?

Why ignore accusations if you are civvie?

Why act indignant if you are civvie?

Why be sarcastic if you are civvie?

This crap happens in every game. Townies do them all. So do scum. Meh.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, what convinced you to lynch MacDougall over BR today?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:DrWilgy and JaggedJimmyJay: did you fellows gain or learn anything that you are permitted to share from being elected as (assistants to the) CEO?

RadicalFuzz wrote:The main reason to lynch Mac, for me, is because he wanted to lynch Sorsha to get information either way, as Rico said. However, he never actually said what kind of information he would get from the lynch. His reactions to Matt's SK accusation read town to me. That's enough for me to hesitate. In the meantime I'm pursuing Wilgy, and that's gotten nowhere. Mac, I believe it was, who asked me to put in effort on post analysis, had nothing to say. Wilgy had pretty much nothing to say. Nobody cares about Wilgy. That makes me feel marginally worse about Wilgy.

RadicalFuzz wrote:The main reason to lynch Mac, for me, is because he wanted to lynch Sorsha to get information either way, as Rico said. However, he never actually said what kind of information he would get from the lynch. His reactions to Matt's SK accusation read town to me. That's enough for me to hesitate. In the meantime I'm pursuing Wilgy, and that's gotten nowhere. Mac, I believe it was, who asked me to put in effort on post analysis, had nothing to say. Wilgy had pretty much nothing to say. Nobody cares about Wilgy. That makes me feel marginally worse about Wilgy.

Ricochet wrote: -- This entire thing is fairly decontextualized, given lack of Day specifications and such. Matt's example below will be sort of proof of this decontextualization.
-- Sorsha is confirmed civ, I think we can stop suspecting her.
-- Eloh's votes range from non-committal vibe (left-field late Sorsha vote on D2, amidst the b24-LC wagon; solo very early vote on Zebra D3) to suddenly making an impact D4 (7th vote for the main wagon, pushing it further). Today she's contributing to a wagon, as well. Stats-wise, I'd say this pings.
-- Matt's appearences are made to look the worst, but it's actually more drumming on Sorsha until he finally helped mislynched her. Don't know what to make of this, if he's bad, the votes feel like dormant until the momentum finally came for a mislynch. Similar to Eloh, in fact. Would either/both of team take such risks, on D4, knowing they would contribue to a mislynch.
-- Diiny's D4 vote is either a total stinkbomb, for a civ, or a blunder, for a baddie.
-- Sig's votes make the bad vibes return, especially recalling his D1 BWT vote on partial grounds of being "most suspicious" (when in fact his posts would inspire more the idea that LC, a confirmed mafia, would be his "most suspicious" at that point). D2 he's very quickly back on track there with the vote on LC. Now there's also his D3 Golden vote, which I specifically remember it being a switch from me, because of suddenly finding me genuine in my defense fight. I'm damn well civ, so "suddenly"? Hmm.

Question is, though, what are your ideas coming out of this.

Diiny wrote:Wilgy only casing LC before the deadline makes me feel uneasy. My tinfoil is gently screaming into my ear that it could be a bus. It does seem at least somewhat of an original, well phrased and thought through read/case, though, so that's making me feel better. I feel ambivilent about his use of questions; on one hand they suggest a Wilgy who is keen to let a townie long con have a chance to defend himself, but at the same time they're very close to the deadline to the point that their effectiveness at doing so is severely diminished.

Wilgy puts a lot of effort into, as I accused epi of doing earlier, doing the work. That is, objective, stats based work that doesn't require putting out reads per se, letting you appear civ/involved without actually making you liable for any bad shit that happens.

Plus I don't even think he's a real doctor.

cure my overactive scumroid gland if you think that's the case, Wilgy, and give me a read on RadicalFuzz so far, even though it's difficult to read him.

RadicalFuzz wrote:The reversed question also applies to Wilgy. Ignoring the possibility of J3 being lynched, what night phase do you think he will get killed?

Choutas wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Only responses to 4 things to go! Holy shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:How many players are in RYM games normally?

15-22 or so. This is the biggest game in RYM mafia history.

Hooray for records!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Football is about to happen, and the undefeated Cincinnati Bengals are more important than this headache. BBL. :P

You like Swedish women AND the Bengals? Are we the same person??

Choutas wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Mac, Matt, Fuzz and Floyd, who did you target last night?

We had a fail kill and no psycho killer. Chances are one of y'all intervined, possibly in both, and y'all should know how. JJJ you should know as well.

I will explain everything as soon as I'm back from the renaissance festival.

JJJ, no beef, got much love for ya.

MacDougall wrote:It should be rather obvious who I would target Wilgy...

DrWilgy wrote:Does that count? As far as I'm concerned you could be lying.

You stating who you targeted is not 100% truth. Nor is it revealed by any role powers, simply actions that happened over tge course of the night. MODS HELP.

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:How did missing your night kill make you feel?

Mac, how sure of this are you?

Floyd, Fuzz, or Matt, did epi miss a night kill?

MacDougall wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:How did missing your night kill make you feel?

Mac, how sure of this are you?

Floyd, Fuzz, or Matt, did epi miss a night kill?

I am very sure.

This is mafia interaction calling it. Mac and Wilgy are in this together It wouldn't surprise me if all four are a mafia team. TheProfessional had done something similar on rym(the nation game?)

Choutas, can you clarify? I agree that the whole interaction is very weird and makes little sense. You're saying Mac, Wilgy, Floyd, Fuzz, and Matt are all bad, and they're subtly dropping info into the thread because they somehow know Epi is the SK, and want to get the thread onto him instead of themselves?

Again, I'm just not sure how or why that would happen, just trying to get clarification on what people's thoughts on this are.

Choutas wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:How many players are in RYM games normally?

15-22 or so. This is the biggest game in RYM mafia history.

This game needs at least half an hour every day to catch up. It began with 34 players and 48 hours dayphases. There's just too much stuff to process and it's so much that I can't seem to get anything by it. The vocal players are hidden between thousands upon thousands of words. Seriously let's go back to the old days people.

To reiterate:

Whew! With that I am caught up. Sorry again for the multiposts.

Firstly that Wilgy and Mac might be pulling shit together. Wilgy bringing his scummate into question that is really staged up. Secondly questioning the other scummers in a web of interaction that could be used later on as ""I brought him into question" etc.
I won't lie it's a very ballsy move to make and I don't have the TS crew as RYM G's staging crazy ass gambits.
I'll be voting only so I can watch the results without clicking show results everytime.

Matt F wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy - What are your thoughts on Floyd, Bullzeye, and Strawhenge? If you've made a recent post about them, you can direct me there.

I honestly have not looked into them, nor have I cared to do so. I get a dangerous tone vibe from Floyd due to the lack of relevant posting.

Matt F wrote:

Dr Wilgy - If you did with Floyd what I know you did with me and what I'm guessing you did with MacD (considering MacD utterly believes Epig is a killer now)...why Floyd? Why pick the player who has had "trouble" following the game and "doesn't know how to play" ?

That is very strange to me.

Okay, I swear, I'm gonna do this Strawhenge thing now...

DrWilgy wrote:Epi

Based upon what I have seen and what I have been doing, I believe Mac and Matt they says that Epi is the SK. Fuzz stated nothing that would change my mind, I am still looking as to what Floyd thinks Epi is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

Are you going to say Mac is bad next?

@Epi, I'm back on phone now and don't have time to quote pull. The reason I believe is because role blocks exist in this game. Psycho killer, can't submit a night action if they don't have one.

Mac, stating that you are SK on a night were there is no psycho kill, and him being a scummy scummertston, fufill all the conditions for him to either be baddie roleblocker, or in btsc with baddie roleblocker. Matt's statement of Mac is bad and Epi is SK help confirm my thoughts, and russ stating that you are most likely SK may place him in the btsc with Mac.

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:also, I thought the most obnoxious post in the game deserved a gif.

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

Are you going to say Mac is bad next?

@Epi, I'm back on phone now and don't have time to quote pull. The reason I believe is because role blocks exist in this game. Psycho killer, can't submit a night action if they don't have one.

Mac, stating that you are SK on a night were there is no psycho kill, and him being a scummy scummertston, fufill all the conditions for him to either be baddie roleblocker, or in btsc with baddie roleblocker. Matt's statement of Mac is bad and Epi is SK help confirm my thoughts, and russ stating that you are most likely SK may place him in the btsc with Mac.

Ricochet wrote:Eloh, make sure to vote in the poll.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Are my thoughts wrong Epi? Do tell.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt F wrote:HOSTS - If the Mafia or Serial Killer is prevented from making a kill for whatever reason, do you still show their kill attempt in the Night Post? If the Mafia or Serial Killer simply don't make an attempt, do you completely ignore them in the Night Post?

Thank you

Yes to both questions.

DrWilgy wrote:I thought the ruling was a role blocked player cannot use thier power, meaning a psycho can't submit a kill, and even if they did, the submission of the kill would fail, not the kill itself.

I thought a kill failing, would happen if the kill was submitted without block, and they hapen to run into some sort of immunity. I.e. protection.

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Are my thoughts wrong Epi? Do tell.

Triply so.

First, as you've by now realized, you misrepresented what Matt F said.

Second, if I were Psycho Killer and blocked, and someone came into the thread calling me out, would I want that person lynched so everyone can see why he or she was saying that? No. I'd have to take care of that bidness at Night.

Third, there was no mention of a Psycho Killer kill at all in the host post Night 5, meaning there was no attempt made at all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt F wrote:HOSTS - If the Mafia or Serial Killer is prevented from making a kill for whatever reason, do you still show their kill attempt in the Night Post? If the Mafia or Serial Killer simply don't make an attempt, do you completely ignore them in the Night Post?

Thank you

Yes to both questions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

You think you are seeing mafia Metalmarsh89? Interesting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If you elect me, I will vocaroo myself singing multiple Talking Heads songs. *crickets*

Hahaha, too good. I know it would put us at a tie, but you earned my vote Jay.

seaside wrote:to people (strawhenge and matt f i think) who were wondering about my floyd read earlier i said it was a joke, i haven't mentioned him much properly because what is there to really say? he's new and he isn't posting much. i haven't mentioned many posters tbh. i haven't interacted with many either.

Strawhenge wrote:Quick note: Seaside responded on the previous page that his confidence in Floyd was 'a joke, bruv'.

shit, you have even posted this yourself strawhenge and you are still pressuring me on this?