The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:11 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:09 pm pretty sure sig is claiming the ninja for anyone still confused fuck it

meh, I could see why you'd think that, but nope.

Wanna vote for him then?

i thought speedchuck said that what the hell

I don't have a clue about the role claim stuff

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:11 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:09 pm pretty sure sig is claiming the ninja for anyone still confused fuck it

meh, I could see why you'd think that, but nope.

Wanna vote for him then?

Sure, I'd love for him to answer you though. What i've been noticing is that you've got some players who won't give statements that can be lie detected. So we had Juls who wouldn't say if she was good or not and just said I should be able to tell then she flipped mafia. Compared to say Sab who did say she was good. Which is the main reason why I decided to trust her.

Now in theory mafia could have a foil to that role, but I think mafia would just be more careful.

Alllllso it's day 5 and Mac is still alive, can we lynch him soonish?

Also just the simple fact we have a 12 person wagon is bad, it'll give us no info when I flip civ since it's everyone on the wagon.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:16 pm Also just the simple fact we have a 12 person wagon is bad, it'll give us no info when I flip civ since it's everyone on the wagon.

I like counterwagons too. But my last one didn't go so great.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:12 am 1. i know about every item in the game not inherently given to a player or by a player
2. i never died i merely faked my death
3. there is no such item on my list called the Mirror of Truth
4. Why was sig pushing to lynch sabie when i specifically hinted i was gonna use the item i got? it shouldve been obvious i caused my own death (if not prevented it)
5. I'm going to revive nutella as soon as possible
6. I am town and deserving so. I say we stop the random chaos and focus on one target

3. SO no mirror of truth? The one item that Jack was claiming made me bad? I don't care if he switched info that fact he was trying to use fake information to get me lynched is very very bad.

4. Man i've got no clue what's going on, you died and accused Sabie before death it was a logical avenue to pursue.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:16 pm Also just the simple fact we have a 12 person wagon is bad, it'll give us no info when I flip civ since it's everyone on the wagon.

This already happened when you got miraculously saved yesterday and the biggest tell was DDL jumping from your wagon to nova's.

When I said "want to vote for him then?" I thought I was talking to speedchuck about you, lol.

Every reference to the mirror of truth in this game has been a joke.

Lets look at some of these voters shall we?
sabie12: Okay so I was wrong, but her reasoning for tunneling on me is faulty. First she claimed I was making up info which was false and she believed that I hadn't voted twice which was also wrong. She's just been tunneling on me since I accused her.
timmer, Dragon D. Luffy
Both of these two could also be mafia, re the mechanics so it makes sense for them to jump on my wagon since if it isn't me it's one of them which it is.
Dana/LoRab: Been pretty inactive and just kept popping and voting for me, these are more of lazy civ votes.
DharmaHelper: Another case of tunneling/NO U. He wasn't paying attention to me at all until I said we should lynch him, since then he's been on board the lynch sig wagon.
Jackofhearts2005: Some map mombojumbo that could refer to other people.
Tranq: Wasn't he set to be lynched for mafia? What happened to that.
colonialbob:
sprityo:
ColinIsCool,, Enrique, ,

idk about the rest, Colin is a switch from defending me to lynching which would lead me to believe he's mafia looking for some civ credit, but is in the end okay with lynching me.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:20 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:16 pm Also just the simple fact we have a 12 person wagon is bad, it'll give us no info when I flip civ since it's everyone on the wagon.

This already happened when you got miraculously saved yesterday and the biggest tell was DDL jumping from your wagon to nova's.

When I said "want to vote for him then?" I thought I was talking to speedchuck about you, lol.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:15 am that being said im suspicious of both sig and sabie, tranq might be off the hook if he's actually random animal. but i dont trust him still.

people i consider trustworthy are as follows (not in any particular order)

colin
cbob
enrique
epi
jack
lorab
mac

Can the Tranq stuff be explained by an item?

Epignosis has been totally coasting this game. GTH he's bad.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:27 pm Can the Tranq stuff be explained by an item?

Nope.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:27 pm Can the Tranq stuff be explained by an item?

Nope.

A location?

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:30 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:27 pm Can the Tranq stuff be explained by an item?

Nope.

A location?

Nope.

I don't even remember what the tranq stuff is.

Tranq did you darkness Mac?

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:34 pm Tranq did you darkness Mac?

Nope.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:04 pm Dragon D. Luffy would lynching you benefit the town?

No. I'm a civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:41 pm Kylemii's Avatars Mafia [HEIST]

don't play with my heart like this :'(

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm Epignosis has been totally coasting this game.

Yep.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm GTH he's bad.

Nope.

Tbh it was suspicious of him to claim the item he did, which doesn’t exist

But if the theory serves true that he is random animal then we essentially can lynch him or not because random animal is an Indy with changing win cons

I assume if he dies he either loses all together or wins with whatever role’s alignment he died as

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:56 pm You're using Sig not paying attention to claims = mafia, so is my entire team not paying attention or helping? Otherwise I'm pretty sure they'd be keeping me updated. Unless ofc you're trying to say I'm and indy which is just so silly.

Why is that silly?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:02 pm If the civs can't figure it out then they deserve to have me lynched. Teach y'all another lesson about mislynching poor little ole sig.

Not a civvy mindset. If you’re town, pursue your wincon by not letting yourself be lynched.

Like I think you’re bad but don’t act like it’s everyone but you’s problem when you get mislynched.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:02 pm If the civs can't figure it out then they deserve to have me lynched. Teach y'all another lesson about mislynching poor little ole sig.

If you get lynched as a civ after refusing to claim in a game where claiming is allowed, it's 100% your fault.

Right?

What is the purpose of hinting but not claiming?

1) Breadcrumbing for later cred

2) Role playing

3) As scum so town doesn’t call you out for claiming someone’s else’s role

4) To evaluate if town deserves to avoid a mislynch or not based on hint catching abilities

Surely you can give us a juicy bit of information?

Psionic ninja can lie detect one post a day up to 30 minutes after it’s posted so I mean if that’s you let us hear what’s true what’s not

I would think lie detect is really useful to counter people role claiming too?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:12 pm Anytime I see "It's your fault if we lynch you" I get the heebie geebies

It needs to be said at some point to players who get mislynched a lot.

If he’s scum, it doesn’t matter. He won’t gooj free. If he’s town, maybe he takes it to heart.

I get you though. “Maybe DDL knows he’s town.” But even if DDL is scum, he doesn’t know that.

Lack of opposition was concerning but seems that's changing now.

COUGH cough cough sorry!

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:19 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:12 am 1. i know about every item in the game not inherently given to a player or by a player
2. i never died i merely faked my death
3. there is no such item on my list called the Mirror of Truth
4. Why was sig pushing to lynch sabie when i specifically hinted i was gonna use the item i got? it shouldve been obvious i caused my own death (if not prevented it)
5. I'm going to revive nutella as soon as possible
6. I am town and deserving so. I say we stop the random chaos and focus on one target

3. SO no mirror of truth? The one item that Jack was claiming made me bad? I don't care if he switched info that fact he was trying to use fake information to get me lynched is very very bad.

4. Man i've got no clue what's going on, you died and accused Sabie before death it was a logical avenue to pursue.

There is a recurring joke in this thread about made up mirrors.

That’s not why I think you’re bad. That’s not why you’re being lynched.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:19 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:12 am 1. i know about every item in the game not inherently given to a player or by a player
2. i never died i merely faked my death
3. there is no such item on my list called the Mirror of Truth
4. Why was sig pushing to lynch sabie when i specifically hinted i was gonna use the item i got? it shouldve been obvious i caused my own death (if not prevented it)
5. I'm going to revive nutella as soon as possible
6. I am town and deserving so. I say we stop the random chaos and focus on one target

3. SO no mirror of truth? The one item that Jack was claiming made me bad? I don't care if he switched info that fact he was trying to use fake information to get me lynched is very very bad.

4. Man i've got no clue what's going on, you died and accused Sabie before death it was a logical avenue to pursue.

There is a recurring joke in this thread about made up mirrors.

That’s not why I think you’re bad. That’s not why you’re being lynched.

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 pm Lack of opposition was concerning but seems that's changing now.

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Why would that be concerning and what is significant about that "changing now?"

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm Epignosis has been totally coasting this game. GTH he's bad.

True.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:41 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm Epignosis has been totally coasting this game. GTH he's bad.

True.

Let me get btsc with Epi, I’ll prove if he’s bad or not

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:41 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:29 pm Epignosis has been totally coasting this game. GTH he's bad.

True.

Let me get btsc with Epi, I’ll prove if he’s bad or not

I didn't want to say this but I found the mirror of truth last night and it told me Epi is bad.

Mafia: A World Asunder? More like Mafia: The Mirrors of Deceit

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:38 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 pm Lack of opposition was concerning but seems that's changing now.

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Why would that be concerning and what is significant about that "changing now?"

Concerning because mafia won't oppose a civ lynch, right?

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:38 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 pm Lack of opposition was concerning but seems that's changing now.

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Why would that be concerning and what is significant about that "changing now?"

Concerning because mafia won't oppose a civ lynch, right?

COUGH cough cough sorry!

I've made a career out of doing that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:16 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:38 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 pm Lack of opposition was concerning but seems that's changing now.

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Why would that be concerning and what is significant about that "changing now?"

Concerning because mafia won't oppose a civ lynch, right?

COUGH cough cough sorry!

I've made a career out of doing that.

What do you mean?

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:47 pm I didn't want to say this but I found the mirror of truth last night and it told me Epi is bad.

That's impossible because

I've got a Christmas Party to attend so imma be out for a bit, but I was reading over DDL he has to go. Ik for a fact i'm not mafia he was within the area that Jack saw, plus ik I was targeted to be killed and he was within the same area based off what we know. DDL is mafia, read over his posts and it becomes clear.

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:16 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:38 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 pm Lack of opposition was concerning but seems that's changing now.

COUGH cough cough sorry!

Why would that be concerning and what is significant about that "changing now?"

Concerning because mafia won't oppose a civ lynch, right?

COUGH cough cough sorry!

I've made a career out of doing that.

What do you mean?

COUGH cough cough sorry!

When I mean is that quite often, I have defended civilians when I am bad. There's a lot of reasons to do that. I also defend people when I'm good too, but for obviously different reasons.

My issue here is that there are two mafia teams, meaning both teams have a party they can go after in earnest. At this juncture, with sig being the blood everyone has been thirsting for because ACTUAL INFO, do you believe that sig's teammates would speak up for him?

If sig is bad, his team has given up on him. That's my assessment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:02 pm If the civs can't figure it out then they deserve to have me lynched. Teach y'all another lesson about mislynching poor little ole sig.

If you get lynched as a civ after refusing to claim in a game where claiming is allowed, it's 100% your fault.

Right?

What is the purpose of hinting but not claiming?

1) Breadcrumbing for later cred

2) Role playing

3) As scum so town doesn’t call you out for claiming someone’s else’s role

4) To evaluate if town deserves to avoid a mislynch or not based on hint catching abilities

There is nothing wrong with hinting during the game. But this is a EoD situation we are talking about. If you are given a way out through claiming and still refuse to do it because you want to spite the civilian faction, then I can't blame anyone but you. You had a choice to win the game and you opted out of it due to spite. Sig seems like he just wants to spite the civilian faction, according to his last reply to me.

That said, maybe his role doesn't really save him even when claimed. If this game is truly balanced, then roles themselves don't indicate much and claiming won't actually save most people from a lynch. After seeing juliets's role, I think that's the case. But Sig seemed to imply that his hinting meant something. If he thinks it does, he should put it on the table at once.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:21 pm I've got a Christmas Party to attend so imma be out for a bit, but I was reading over DDL he has to go. Ik for a fact i'm not mafia he was within the area that Jack saw, plus ik I was targeted to be killed and he was within the same area based off what we know. DDL is mafia, read over his posts and it becomes clear.

You need to get your facts again. I'm not in Jack's PoE. I'm only in that Sloonei 5.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:02 pm If the civs can't figure it out then they deserve to have me lynched. Teach y'all another lesson about mislynching poor little ole sig.

If you get lynched as a civ after refusing to claim in a game where claiming is allowed, it's 100% your fault.

Right?

What is the purpose of hinting but not claiming?

1) Breadcrumbing for later cred

2) Role playing

3) As scum so town doesn’t call you out for claiming someone’s else’s role

4) To evaluate if town deserves to avoid a mislynch or not based on hint catching abilities

Hinting is very valuable without ever claiming. Mafia frequently searches for claims in my experiences then they target either by night kill or lynch said person. Plus TS is usually a no claiming zone so little hints are all I usually give. Could I role claim right now? Yes, would it stop my lynch maybe, but would I wind up being useless probably. Plus claiming is boring and I often won't claim even when it's allowed.