The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:40 pm**

Like for every reason to TR someone, you can make the argument “yeah but maybe they’re just scum that are hunting.” So. I’m not super committed to more than a couple reads and even those are subject to change.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:41 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:38 pm Tbh I don’t have strong feelings on most players. It’s better than D1 obviously but multiball and games this big are both kinda stupid so

This is a mood tbh

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:41 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:37 pm When I think about lynching Jack I

It would be funny tho. He'd be all :surprised pikachu face:

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:43 pm**

I scanned Jack's posts for interactions with sabie and Radishes. He treated radishes similarly to sig and sabie, with lots of shrugging and kicking up dirt:

Spoiler: show

He kept some distance from sabie early but hopped on board the suspicion as it was mounting Night 2. It doesn't look terrible, but it's not convincing enough to tell me he can't be on this team.

I'll try to inspect the other end of that relationship later. Not about to do that this late in the day.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:45 pm**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:58 pm In looking through Jack's ISO his initial posts on nutella seemed pretty iffy but it quickly turned into his main suspicion. I know he was right about her before and I don't see how scum jack benefits from going after nutella because if she flips town that's going to look bad on him. I think nutella may have been a little more confident in the Australian game because she knew she'd show as town if checked. Too bad I figured out she was bad even after checking her.
We do have another 24 hours til end of day. Putting my vote on nutella [VOTE: nutella] aubergine I must go sleep.

I glanced over sabie's treatment of Jack. One difference I observe between her handling of Radish and her handling of Jack can be seen in this post. She took some sort of stance on Jack (she said nothing at all about Radish that could be called a stance): that as mafia she doesn't see his benefit in going after nutella. That's a roundabout civilian read or something like it. There's a hint of setup in that highlighted bit -- Jack is aligned to take flak if/when his nutella read proves incorrect. I think that's decent for him.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:49 pm**

I'm locked onto sig, i think.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:53 pm**

At the doctor now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:54 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:53 pm At the doctor now.

u ok?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:57 pm**

Ugh. Nonzero chance sig is lassie, but I don’t want to reward hinting (cause what’s the fucking point of playing a no reveals game if we can just soft it anyways).

I’m probably moving my vote I kinda think he is tbh. Or this’ll be the second time here that scum has hinted at being a cop and gotten me to move off them

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:57 pm**

Calling a Mac vote obviously

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:58 pm**

Ok Mac I read sabie. She draws the conclusion that Jack is good and votes nutella it seems without a lot of evaluation. She mentions that she will read through both their ISOs but indicates she read through Jack's and then voted for nutella (I saw nothing about her reading Nutella's ISO). When he changes his mind about nutella she says she's not surprised and she knows he sometimes does that for reaction, he's tricky like that. I'll stop there but say that I definitely see how she sides with Jack without giving due diligence to nutella.

So I do see some evidence that they are connected but I don't think it's overwhelming and it's too late in the day for me to evaluate Jack's ISO. I'm going to stay on sig today.

linki - wait did sig hint he was Lassie?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:01 pm**

Hang on I’ll find the post and quote it

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:02 pm**

what'd I miss?

mac is viable lynch option again or naw?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:03 pm**

[VOTE: Jackie] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:03 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo
You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?
Yes and got told to switch to them on this-2 junk.

Funny people seem able to figure out that role but not any other info ones.

[mention]Juliet[/mention] this reads like a lassie post to me, I think.

I mean I’ve been wrong before (elephant in inception) so I’m not gonna yell at people for disagreeing, but yeah that’s what I see.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:04 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo
You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?
Yes and got told to switch to them on this-2 junk.

Funny people seem able to figure out that role but not any other info ones.
@Juliet this reads like a lassie post to me, I think.

I mean I’ve been wrong before (elephant in inception) so I’m not gonna yell at people for disagreeing, but yeah that’s what I see.

I’m unmoved.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 pm**

I may be in a tunnel at this stage though.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:06 pm**

Yeah, I mean, normal game I’d be pushing this, syndicate no claims game means I’m not cause it’s just...it’s a lot more tenuous and easily abused as scum. But it’s what my gut says so I’m going with it

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:09 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo
You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?
Yes and got told to switch to them on this-2 junk.

Funny people seem able to figure out that role but not any other info ones.
@Juliet this reads like a lassie post to me, I think.

I mean I’ve been wrong before (elephant in inception) so I’m not gonna yell at people for disagreeing, but yeah that’s what I see.

Ok I see. I read it as sig saying he's got an info role but I didn't see it as specifically Lassie. Maybe he is an info role but that's also the only way he can defend against Dizzy's logic. Also, I was taken in by Elephant as well lol, so I'm no better judge than you!

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:12 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:52 pm Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Lolololol

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:13 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo
You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?
Yes and got told to switch to them on this-2 junk.

Funny people seem able to figure out that role but not any other info ones.
@Juliet this reads like a lassie post to me, I think.

I mean I’ve been wrong before (elephant in inception) so I’m not gonna yell at people for disagreeing, but yeah that’s what I see.
Ok I see. I read it as sig saying he's got an info role but I didn't see it as specifically Lassie. Maybe he is an info role but that's also the only way he can defend against Dizzy's logic. Also, I was taken in by Elephant as well lol, so I'm no better judge than you!

Lmao yeah, that was unfortunate!

I read it as a lassie hint, but idk.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:14 pm**

popping in between drive now only posting at stoplights. :P

If I wind up making it I'll respond to the janky sloonie case against me more in depth midterms are over tomorrow so will have plenty of times if people are still 100% convinced and wanna mislynch me whatever. But, I'm positive they wont be.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:15 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 pm I may be in a tunnel at this stage though.

Bwey much so. Weve played enough games together at this point ones where I'm mafia, 3p and town this is going down like all my civ lunches not 3p or baddie

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:15 pm**

I mean shit even the past few GoC happened this way.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:17 pm**

Again main points here.
1. Weak slip foundation of many reads
2. Meh reasoning for others and tunneling.
3m votes that make no sense mainly doms here. You dont flip like that if your a civ.
4. Multiple giant ass holes in dizzy case which is foundation of everyone but sloonie.
5. Classic sig mislynch going on, which again you'd think most people would notice.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:17 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 pm I may be in a tunnel at this stage though.
Bwey much so. Weve played enough games together at this point ones where I'm mafia, 3p and town this is going down like all my civ lunches not 3p or baddie

Idk man this has nothing to do with meta for me. This is almost entirely based on interactive reads and your responses to that.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:17 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:52 pm Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Shit I'll cfd to Jack to keep me around, but Mac is still mafia.

Of course you will cause you’re mafia. There there.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm**

Mac currently leads by 1.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:05 pm I may be in a tunnel at this stage though.
Bwey much so. Weve played enough games together at this point ones where I'm mafia, 3p and town this is going down like all my civ lunches not 3p or baddie
Idk man this has nothing to do with meta for me. This is almost entirely based on interactive reads and your responses to that.

I do get that and it sucks I haven't had time to properly respond. Though overall minus the I never appernelty gave thoughts on radish thing I dont see much teammate compatibility especially with sabie who end of day 2 had been booted down

If she hadn't been nigjtkilled I'd be on that.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm Mac currently leads by 1.

G Man moved his vote

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:52 pm Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Shit I'll cfd to Jack to keep me around, but Mac is still mafia.
Of course you will cause you’re mafia. There there.

Your still less likely to. Bee mafia then mac is for sure, but I knew I wasn't mafia so makes sense.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:20 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:58 pm Ok Mac I read sabie. She draws the conclusion that Jack is good and votes nutella it seems without a lot of evaluation. She mentions that she will read through both their ISOs but indicates she read through Jack's and then voted for nutella (I saw nothing about her reading Nutella's ISO). When he changes his mind about nutella she says she's not surprised and she knows he sometimes does that for reaction, he's tricky like that. I'll stop there but say that I definitely see how she sides with Jack without giving due diligence to nutella.

So I do see some evidence that they are connected but I don't think it's overwhelming and it's too late in the day for me to evaluate Jack's ISO. I'm going to stay on sig today.

linki - wait did sig hint he was Lassie?

*furious notetaking*

All of my suspected Mac teammates doing what I expect of them, which doesn’t really narrow shit down but whatever.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:20 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm Mac currently leads by 1.
G Man moved his vote

nanook too, but he called it out

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:21 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm Mac currently leads by 1.
G Man moved his vote

That's kinda sketchy but I'm not really able to complain.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:21 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm Mac currently leads by 1.
G Man moved his vote

Oh, you noticed.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:21 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:21 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 pm Mac currently leads by 1.
G Man moved his vote
Oh, you noticed.

why?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:22 pm**

SVS and dom are the oddest votes on me.

Nutella was flip flopping alot so whatever

But don was solidly anti mac until for some reason he wasnt

Svs had me ad a top civ read and protected me from nk

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:22 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:58 pm Ok Mac I read sabie. She draws the conclusion that Jack is good and votes nutella it seems without a lot of evaluation. She mentions that she will read through both their ISOs but indicates she read through Jack's and then voted for nutella (I saw nothing about her reading Nutella's ISO). When he changes his mind about nutella she says she's not surprised and she knows he sometimes does that for reaction, he's tricky like that. I'll stop there but say that I definitely see how she sides with Jack without giving due diligence to nutella.

So I do see some evidence that they are connected but I don't think it's overwhelming and it's too late in the day for me to evaluate Jack's ISO. I'm going to stay on sig today.

linki - wait did sig hint he was Lassie?
*furious notetaking*

All of my suspected Mac teammates doing what I expect of them, which doesn’t really narrow shit down but whatever.

Maybe you didn't notice but I said there wasn't enough evidence for me to jump to you without evaluating you through your ISO. Are you unhappy with that?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:23 pm**

Overall, I’d rather not hear Mac ranting against the world for another day. Plus, if he’s on the team that has a full roster right now, then we should pare them back a little. Don’t want them getting overconfident.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:24 pm**

If I die I'll be a really salty ghost but again lynch dom for sure given his flop and sprortpu also mac I'm still pretty sure he's mafia

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:24 pm**

well i hope you guys are right about mac.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:24 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:23 pm Overall, I’d rather not hear Mac ranting against the world for another day. Plus, if he’s on the team that has a full roster right now, then we should pare them back a little. Don’t want them getting overconfident.

And sig isn't mafia*

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm**

Inb4 mac is actually anti-monitor member

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm**

I can't believe I fell for that manipulative crap from G Man. I'm a fool.

@sig I changed my mind based on the reads May and Sloonei did and on Dizzys case. I still think it makes sense for you to be bad.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:26 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm Inb4 mac is actually anti-monitor member

Wait fuck if he is I could atill be lynched if I'm lynching dont be dumb get mac next then dom who was probably just distancing given his vote

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:26 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:58 pm Ok Mac I read sabie. She draws the conclusion that Jack is good and votes nutella it seems without a lot of evaluation. She mentions that she will read through both their ISOs but indicates she read through Jack's and then voted for nutella (I saw nothing about her reading Nutella's ISO). When he changes his mind about nutella she says she's not surprised and she knows he sometimes does that for reaction, he's tricky like that. I'll stop there but say that I definitely see how she sides with Jack without giving due diligence to nutella.

So I do see some evidence that they are connected but I don't think it's overwhelming and it's too late in the day for me to evaluate Jack's ISO. I'm going to stay on sig today.

linki - wait did sig hint he was Lassie?
*furious notetaking*

All of my suspected Mac teammates doing what I expect of them, which doesn’t really narrow shit down but whatever.
Maybe you didn't notice but I said there wasn't enough evidence for me to jump to you without evaluating you through your ISO. Are you unhappy with that?

Nooooo. I purposely pushed to have as close to tie wagons as possible and none of my suspected Mac teammates voted Mac.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:26 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm I can't believe I fell for that manipulative crap from G Man. I'm a fool.

@sig I changed my mind based on the reads May and Sloonei did and on Dizzys case. I still think it makes sense for you to be bad.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Buuuuut your wrong. Dizzy case is fundmentally flawed. Sloonie case has some merit but is still wrong.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:28 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm I can't believe I fell for that manipulative crap from G Man. I'm a fool.

@sig I changed my mind based on the reads May and Sloonei did and on Dizzys case. I still think it makes sense for you to be bad.

Oh stop. You know I love causing a little drama whether I’m civ or baddie. My big post is all still 100% true. Engaging in an emotional end-around like that is beneath me.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:30 pm**

My radar is batting zero this game, walking away for tonight.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:30 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:45 pm And the reason to vote Sig over Mac is like...to show moral support for ghost Dizzy or because Mac is your teammate or whatever.
And if you lynch him and he flips town?

Then I’ll be one of a dozen wrong players.

And we’ll know you’re the antimonitor.

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