The Syndicate

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ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:43 pm Epignosis is good enough to fool me but I really struggle to see him being scum here.

I do not understand this perspective. Of all of the players in this game, none of them are easier for me to see as a mafioso than Epignosis. He is doing nothing while he's being served up on a platter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:43 pm Epignosis is good enough to fool me but I really struggle to see him being scum here.

I do not understand this perspective. Of all of the players in this game, none of them are easier for me to see as a mafioso than Epignosis. He is doing nothing while he's being served up on a platter.

And you think that indicates he’s scum?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:43 pm Epignosis is good enough to fool me but I really struggle to see him being scum here.

I do not understand this perspective. Of all of the players in this game, none of them are easier for me to see as a mafioso than Epignosis. He is doing nothing while he's being served up on a platter.

I did a little thing and you voted me for it.

The way I see it, if we hit a wolf here, it's because
1. They are both wolves
2. Wolves are all on the opposing train train

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:13 pm

Spoiler: show

Epignosis
5
36%


Voters: Hally, nutella, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KitsuShel

I'd say these people are as lost as I am.

.........Live together die alone?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:43 pm Epignosis is good enough to fool me but I really struggle to see him being scum here.

I do not understand this perspective. Of all of the players in this game, none of them are easier for me to see as a mafioso than Epignosis. He is doing nothing while he's being served up on a platter.

I did a little thing and you voted me for it.

I cannot credit that as a "thing", sorry.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:43 pm Epignosis is good enough to fool me but I really struggle to see him being scum here.

I do not understand this perspective. Of all of the players in this game, none of them are easier for me to see as a mafioso than Epignosis. He is doing nothing while he's being served up on a platter.

And you think that indicates he’s scum?

I've seen it before. I will definitely not say it indicates that he's a civilian.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:43 pm Epignosis is good enough to fool me but I really struggle to see him being scum here.

I do not understand this perspective. Of all of the players in this game, none of them are easier for me to see as a mafioso than Epignosis. He is doing nothing while he's being served up on a platter.

And you think that indicates he’s scum?

I've seen it before. I will definitely not say it indicates that he's a civilian.

Do you know off the top of your head where you’ve seen that?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:13 pm

Spoiler: show

Epignosis
5
36%


Voters: Hally, nutella, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KitsuShel

I'd say these people are as lost as I am.

.........Live together die alone?

#23

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:56 pm Do you know off the top of your head where you’ve seen that?

It isn't all that atypical for Epignosis to play like a player who is caught when he is caught. He understands well that even getting chopped doesn't lose him the game if he has handled his business appropriately. I believe it was Assassin's Creed when he promptly stopped doing anything and only at a certain point outed himself for a laugh. I believe he had mechanical evidence against him there, so it probably promoted a more blatant example of this behavior.

I'm never giving someone a pass stuff like this. I'm just not doing it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:00 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:56 pm Do you know off the top of your head where you’ve seen that?

It isn't all that atypical for Epignosis to play like a player who is caught when he is caught. He understands well that even getting chopped doesn't lose him the game if he has handled his business appropriately. I believe it was Assassin's Creed when he promptly stopped doing anything and only at a certain point outed himself for a laugh. I believe he had mechanical evidence against him there, so it probably promoted a more blatant example of this behavior.

I'm never giving someone a pass stuff like this. I'm just not doing it.

I’ll check that game out.

alison gets yeeted and epi gets wisped. he is softing a character that would be town

If Epi is scum, then what of this post:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:29 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:18 pm at this stage in the game I am not going to believe any late miller claims. anyone who hasn't claimed miller yet will be assumed to not be a miller and any red checks on them by SD will be treated as legitimate

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:59 am PoE, ordered from most to least preferred exes

Colin > epi > TSP > nutella

Just realized that we should probably focus investigates on the nonmiller slots so SD and Wisp can both be on them. I can't remember if Epi claimed miller - he would be a good investigation target if not.

I am not a miller. I can be checked, as you've noted. Why are you voting for me?

Godfather? Crossing your fingers that the checker gets blocked? I am genuinely asking for theories, not making a specific argument.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:15 pm alison gets yeeted and epi gets wisped. he is softing a character that would be town

k

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

That may follow from this guy:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:53 pm I'm not getting lynched bo.

I feel like Epi will be the one to shepherd us all to victory!

Wait

Bo

JACK?

JACKson?

Bo knows Mafia

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:19 pm I feel like Epi will be the one to shepherd us all to victory!

*Shephard.

I read Epi in Assassins Creed and obviously without context it’s hard to make too many judgments, but he seemed a lot more adamant about self-defense there than he has been here. I think I did glean a moment where he kind of stopped, but until that point he fought the vote vigorously.

Actual last post before I go to bed: Colin is scummier than Epi right now. Every one of his posts in this EoD, from the attempts to divert onto TSP, to the awful tinfoil, to this defense of Epi, are bad. Get rid of him tomorrow and investigate Epi tonight.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:43 pm Actual last post before I go to bed: Colin is scummier than Epi right now. Every one of his posts in this EoD, from the attempts to divert onto TSP, to the awful tinfoil, to this defense of Epi, are bad. Get rid of him tomorrow and investigate Epi tonight.

People keep saying the things I’m doing are bad. They don’t say why or explain why scum me would do these things.

If I’m bad and you’re not, why do I try to divert onto TSP? If he’s good I’m a bungler and led a horrible decision. If he’s bad (and I’m bad) I’d have no reason to draw attention to him or execute a bus.

If I’m bad, why am I talking about “awful tinfoil”? Making others appear suspicious, maybe, I’ll spot you that ... but I didn’t even do that. Tony made a good point that a post I made would necessitate a weird scumteam. I haven’t encouraged the point I made further after realizing that, so this is a blatant misrepresentation of what I’ve done.

If I’m bad, why defend Epi? If he’s good I gain nothing. If he’s bad then I’m defending a teammate but, again, to what end? If you’re town and we collude to chop you because we’re bad, then it’s incredibly likely that we are together signing a death sentence once you flip town, because one of us probably gets chopped tomorrow and the other definitely right after that.

None of what you said makes sense, as individual indicators of my “scumminess” or together in one coherently scummy whole.

i’m fine with alison yeet

haven’t actually read up though

I'm headed home now

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:01 pm If I’m bad, why defend Epi? If he’s good I gain nothing. If he’s bad then I’m defending a teammate but, again, to what end?

this means literally nothing lol...

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:15 pm alison gets yeeted and epi gets wisped. he is softing a character that would be town

??? what are you talking about

actually Idk if you should answer that, is this flavor related?

feel like Epi is just open wolfing at points, but w/e, the PoE is still a thing
the wolves can't stop both our checks

actually
[VOTE: Epi hmmmm] aubergine

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:24 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:01 pm If I’m bad, why defend Epi? If he’s good I gain nothing. If he’s bad then I’m defending a teammate but, again, to what end?

this means literally nothing lol...

If I am bad, I am defending Epi with an ulterior motive to the rest of the thread.

If, in the above scenario, Epi is good, I don’t gain anything by defending him. He’s as deep in POEland as can be and keeping him alive does nothing for me. Worse, I’m probably TMIing all over the place to accomplish ... nothing.

If, in the above (above) scenario, Epi is bad, I defend him and we it soon spells to everybody (because in this scenario, Alison is good and I risk everything to destroy her) I’m bad as hell, Epi is bad as hell, whole thing falls apart.

It makes no sense. It’s a nonsense reason to be up-in-arms with me that has no logical explanation.

I mean if Epi is good, you defend a good person and you still kill another good person in town!Alison worlds?
If he is bad, you are saving your partner, because bussing is garbage?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] what is your character?

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:40 pm I mean if Epi is good, you defend a good person and you still kill another good person in town!Alison worlds?
If he is bad, you are saving your partner, because bussing is garbage?

Defending a good person in and of itself doesn’t help me accomplish my wincon if I’m scum. Saving my partner does in a vacuum, but the circumstances of this game and this phase all point to Epi and I being big targets if Alison is good so I don’t think that’d be a very smart course of action to take. I don’t think I ever said bussing is “garbage”, just that I prefer not to do it (and it can be rude to whomever gets bussed if you don’t get their consent).

am I being bam-boozled somewhere?
Are these both V/V?
where are the voices...

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:48 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:40 pm I mean if Epi is good, you defend a good person and you still kill another good person in town!Alison worlds?
If he is bad, you are saving your partner, because bussing is garbage?

Defending a good person in and of itself doesn’t help me accomplish my wincon if I’m scum. Saving my partner does in a vacuum, but the circumstances of this game and this phase all point to Epi and I being big targets if Alison is good so I don’t think that’d be a very smart course of action to take. I don’t think I ever said bussing is “garbage”, just that I prefer not to do it (and it can be rude to whomever gets bussed if you don’t get their consent).

lmao you act like its the easiest thing in the world to give decent reasons as to why someone is a wolf if you know they are town, that's what you are overlooking, it's not against your win-con, you can't just call everyone wolfy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:47 pm @Epignosis what is your character?

Jack Shephard.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:50 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:48 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:40 pm I mean if Epi is good, you defend a good person and you still kill another good person in town!Alison worlds?
If he is bad, you are saving your partner, because bussing is garbage?

Defending a good person in and of itself doesn’t help me accomplish my wincon if I’m scum. Saving my partner does in a vacuum, but the circumstances of this game and this phase all point to Epi and I being big targets if Alison is good so I don’t think that’d be a very smart course of action to take. I don’t think I ever said bussing is “garbage”, just that I prefer not to do it (and it can be rude to whomever gets bussed if you don’t get their consent).

lmao you act like its the easiest thing in the world to give decent reasons as to why someone is a wolf if you know they are town, that's what you are overlooking, it's not against your win-con, you can't just call everyone wolfy

Considering that Epignosis has half the game looking for his head today, I think I’d be able to find a reason ...

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:49 pm am I being bam-boozled somewhere?
Are these both V/V?
where are the voices...

I'm here. I've said all the words. These two are suspects of mine for essentially opposite reasons (can't town read a lack of stuff, or actively suspicious of the presence of stuff).

[mention]nutella[/mention] were you interpreting that #23 thing as a soft claim? I dunno what it is

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:47 pm @Epignosis what is your character?

Jack Shephard.

oh

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:51 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:50 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:48 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:40 pm I mean if Epi is good, you defend a good person and you still kill another good person in town!Alison worlds?
If he is bad, you are saving your partner, because bussing is garbage?

Defending a good person in and of itself doesn’t help me accomplish my wincon if I’m scum. Saving my partner does in a vacuum, but the circumstances of this game and this phase all point to Epi and I being big targets if Alison is good so I don’t think that’d be a very smart course of action to take. I don’t think I ever said bussing is “garbage”, just that I prefer not to do it (and it can be rude to whomever gets bussed if you don’t get their consent).

lmao you act like its the easiest thing in the world to give decent reasons as to why someone is a wolf if you know they are town, that's what you are overlooking, it's not against your win-con, you can't just call everyone wolfy

Considering that Epignosis has half the game looking for his head today, I think I’d be able to find a reason ...

lol, but those wouldn't be "your" reads
guess we will see what happens

Mafia get fakes, so why is this of importance? I don't mean to sound incredulous; I am utterly clueless about flavor.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:47 pm @Epignosis what is your character?

Jack Shephard.

oh

Know that I resisted the urge to clown you.

i think alison should be the yeet here over epi because miller claim?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:59 pm i think alison should be the yeet here over epi because miller claim?

when all else fails sure

glgl

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 pm Mafia get fakes, so why is this of importance? I don't mean to sound incredulous; I am utterly clueless about flavor.

Because if I'm telling a story, I get exposed in the morning Tribune.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 pm Mafia get fakes, so why is this of importance? I don't mean to sound incredulous; I am utterly clueless about flavor.

Because if I'm telling a story, I get exposed in the morning Tribune.

Like those old broadcaster roles? Okay

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 pm Mafia get fakes, so why is this of importance? I don't mean to sound incredulous; I am utterly clueless about flavor.

it's probably a fakeclaim actually yeah