The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:19 am**

I feel like we're looking in the wrong places and information overload messes us up.

push low posters to post more villager-y, don't push high posters on things that look scummy but don't make them more likely to flip scum.

the larger the information > the more complex thoughts > the scummier you post. It's not complicated, you post a lot, you'll have more posts that look scummy in a vacuum.

not sure if those things make 112 a wolf though. her gameplay would have to be going butt in on all sorts of progressions that she can barely defend, with the purpose of...being town read because they're completely opposite in meta?

idk if I buy it

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:26 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:19 am I feel like we're looking in the wrong places and information overload messes us up.

push low posters to post more villager-y, don't push high posters on things that look scummy but don't make them more likely to flip scum.

the larger the information > the more complex thoughts > the scummier you post. It's not complicated, you post a lot, you'll have more posts that look scummy in a vacuum.

not sure if those things make 112 a wolf though. her gameplay would have to be going butt in on all sorts of progressions that she can barely defend, with the purpose of...being town read because they're completely opposite in meta?

idk if I buy it

Ted, are you out of your wolf range?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:27 am**

i've been out of my wolf range ever since I made the reads list

never make that shit in a game where the PoE is this big

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:29 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:27 am i've been out of my wolf range ever since I made the reads list

never make that shit in a game where the PoE is this big

Not sure I like this answer. I don't think I believe that you wouldn't or couldn't make a reads list as a wolf.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:29 am**

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:29 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:27 am i've been out of my wolf range ever since I made the reads list

never make that shit in a game where the PoE is this big
Not sure I like this answer. I don't think I believe that you wouldn't or couldn't make a reads list as a wolf.

you can fact check

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:32 am**

I don't think I even need to check. I think it's just unbelievable on its face.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:32 am**

i don't have to make a reads list here and I just skate easily

i'm making the game harder for myself as a wolf by forcing myself to trip up when nobody demands reads from me and I can appear villagery by doing other stuff like just poasting thoughts

never ever made a reads list as a wolf, maybe like a few leans but i never took a stance on the entire lobby

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:33 am**

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:32 am I don't think I even need to check. I think it's just unbelievable on its face.

that's how you play the game correctly tbh

vote ahead

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:35 am**

prob the easiest way to clear me in this game with this game state and all you have to do is check my past wolf games

not that complicated if it'll help you get off me

the only real counter to this is also that "I set up loop holes in my wolf game in order to come up with excuses like this" which lol you if you think this is what I'm doing here.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:39 am**

Spoiler: show

quoting this for myself, I'm curious to see how correct this is because it feels prettay good but I have no idea who the scum are in that PoE

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:42 am**

i have like 32 pages to skim for uni and other earthly matters to attend to

see y'all in the dp ; trying to preserve the posting discipline that I think I've been doing fine with until now

also, Nanook's point is good, high posters, cut on your posts please, or put more thoughts into a single post and condense the information, I'll do so too from now on

thread suffers from information overload ; let low poasters post

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:42 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:35 am prob the easiest way to clear me in this game with this game state and all you have to do is check my past wolf games

not that complicated if it'll help you get off me

the only real counter to this is also that "I set up loop holes in my wolf game in order to come up with excuses like this" which lol you if you think this is what I'm doing here.

I'm not even "on" you. I'm just checking my existing clears to see which ones might have been bad. You seem to be feeling a level of pressure that I'm not trying to apply.

It may well be the case that you've not posted reads lists as a wolf previously. It's just hard for me to accept clearing you for doing something so simple.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:46 am**

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:42 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:35 am prob the easiest way to clear me in this game with this game state and all you have to do is check my past wolf games

not that complicated if it'll help you get off me

the only real counter to this is also that "I set up loop holes in my wolf game in order to come up with excuses like this" which lol you if you think this is what I'm doing here.
I'm not even "on" you. I'm just checking my existing clears to see which ones might have been bad. You seem to be feeling a level of pressure that I'm not trying to apply.

It may well be the case that you've not posted reads lists as a wolf previously. It's just hard for me to accept clearing you for doing something so simple.

I won't spoon feed you but I'll tell you that this is really good self-meta and very clearing if you apply it in the context of the game

you just have to realise why it's good

even giving this info out severely damages my wolf game which should be enough in and of it's own to lean me town kek

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 am**

I've already posted about 50% less than I did on day 2, proportionally... I think so, anyway.
I don't think what Ash said makes 112 scum. If anything, it makes her progression difficult to keep track of, which is not necessarily a mafia trait. I had the same issue with TSP and I'm currently doubting TSP.
I just want a Wilgy yeet at this point, really, and I dislike the fact he keeps getting saved by sudden flashwagons appearing at EoD. It's happened twice now. I'm going to feel silly if it was town saving him both times, and/or if Wilgy is town, but yeah.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 am**

Than I did on day 1, not day 2.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am**

I'd be ok with a Wilgy wagon.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 am I've already posted about 50% less than I did on day 2, proportionally... I think so, anyway.
I don't think what Ash said makes 112 scum. If anything, it makes her progression difficult to keep track of, which is not necessarily a mafia trait. I had the same issue with TSP and I'm currently doubting TSP.
I just want a Wilgy yeet at this point, really, and I dislike the fact he keeps getting saved by sudden flashwagons appearing at EoD. It's happened twice now. I'm going to feel silly if it was town saving him both times, and/or if Wilgy is town, but yeah.

I'm somewhat sus of both LC and dunyagnosis, because I seem to remember both of them being involved in the "saving wagon arrivals," maybe even both times.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am**

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am I'd be ok with a Wilgy wagon.

Did you vote Wilgy yesterday, when I posted the "call to vote for Wilgy?"

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:00 am**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am I'd be ok with a Wilgy wagon.
Did you vote Wilgy yesterday, when I posted the "call to vote for Wilgy?"

I voted LC.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:01 am**

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:00 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am I'd be ok with a Wilgy wagon.
Did you vote Wilgy yesterday, when I posted the "call to vote for Wilgy?"
I voted LC.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:25 am**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 am I've already posted about 50% less than I did on day 2, proportionally... I think so, anyway.
I don't think what Ash said makes 112 scum. If anything, it makes her progression difficult to keep track of, which is not necessarily a mafia trait. I had the same issue with TSP and I'm currently doubting TSP.
I just want a Wilgy yeet at this point, really, and I dislike the fact he keeps getting saved by sudden flashwagons appearing at EoD. It's happened twice now. I'm going to feel silly if it was town saving him both times, and/or if Wilgy is town, but yeah.
I'm somewhat sus of both LC and dunyagnosis, because I seem to remember both of them being involved in the "saving wagon arrivals," maybe even both times.

That really misrepresents both my votes. My vote was on Tony on day one, and on day one I spoke out against chopping a low poster. On day two it was me or Michelle. And Michelle was already leading in votes by the time my vote was cast on her. Despite some jumping around at the last minute, I think, I'm not really sure because votes stopped being posted in the thread for some reason Maybe? It was confusing to read and I wasn't sure what I would see on the poll the next time I looked.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:26 am**

And wasn't dunya voting off the two main wagons on day one?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:31 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:25 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 am I've already posted about 50% less than I did on day 2, proportionally... I think so, anyway.
I don't think what Ash said makes 112 scum. If anything, it makes her progression difficult to keep track of, which is not necessarily a mafia trait. I had the same issue with TSP and I'm currently doubting TSP.
I just want a Wilgy yeet at this point, really, and I dislike the fact he keeps getting saved by sudden flashwagons appearing at EoD. It's happened twice now. I'm going to feel silly if it was town saving him both times, and/or if Wilgy is town, but yeah.
I'm somewhat sus of both LC and dunyagnosis, because I seem to remember both of them being involved in the "saving wagon arrivals," maybe even both times.
That really misrepresents both my votes. My vote was on Tony on day one, and on day one I spoke out against chopping a low poster. On day two it was me or Michelle. And Michelle was already leading in votes by the time my vote was cast on her. Despite some jumping around at the last minute, I think, I'm not really sure because votes stopped being posted in the thread for some reason Maybe? It was confusing to read and I wasn't sure what I would see on the poll the next time I looked.

'That's not true! I voted for suspicious.player on D1 and spoke out against chopping in a pool we're not sure contains maf or not! Last night, in case you didn't remember, it was me or Michelle! And Michelle was already leading by the time I got here, so I had no part in it! I'm not sure on the rest and don't want to say anything definitive!'

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:35 am**

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:31 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:25 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 am I've already posted about 50% less than I did on day 2, proportionally... I think so, anyway.
I don't think what Ash said makes 112 scum. If anything, it makes her progression difficult to keep track of, which is not necessarily a mafia trait. I had the same issue with TSP and I'm currently doubting TSP.
I just want a Wilgy yeet at this point, really, and I dislike the fact he keeps getting saved by sudden flashwagons appearing at EoD. It's happened twice now. I'm going to feel silly if it was town saving him both times, and/or if Wilgy is town, but yeah.
I'm somewhat sus of both LC and dunyagnosis, because I seem to remember both of them being involved in the "saving wagon arrivals," maybe even both times.
That really misrepresents both my votes. My vote was on Tony on day one, and on day one I spoke out against chopping a low poster. On day two it was me or Michelle. And Michelle was already leading in votes by the time my vote was cast on her. Despite some jumping around at the last minute, I think, I'm not really sure because votes stopped being posted in the thread for some reason Maybe? It was confusing to read and I wasn't sure what I would see on the poll the next time I looked.
'That's not true! I voted for suspicious.player on D1 and spoke out against chopping in a pool we're not sure contains maf or not! Last night, in case you didn't remember, it was me or Michelle! And Michelle was already leading by the time I got here, so I had no part in it! I'm not sure on the rest and don't want to say anything definitive!'

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:36 am**

I suppose I should have used a gender-neutral GIF. Sorry.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:37 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:36 am I suppose I should have used a gender-neutral GIF. Sorry.

lol it's fine

i'll take my cookie, thanks

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:42 am**

Long Con is right, FWIW. He voted with Vulgard D1 and self preserved onto Michelle D2 (after sitting on a vanity Epi wagon for a long time). Characterising him as protecting Tony/Wilgy is objectively false.

I don't think Wilgy ever even got to be a leading wagon so characterising him as being "saved" doesn't seem accurate to me. If anyone was saved D2, it was Long Con.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 am**

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:42 am Long Con is right, FWIW. He voted with Vulgard D1 and self preserved onto Michelle D2 (after sitting on a vanity Epi wagon for a long time). Characterising him as protecting Tony/Wilgy is objectively false.

I don't think Wilgy ever even got to be a leading wagon so characterising him as being "saved" doesn't seem accurate to me. If anyone was saved D2, it was Long Con.

Thank you. Why did you say I "voted with Vulgard" on day 1?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:52 am**

Did a Wilgy wagon start to take off at some point on Day 2?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:13 pm**

*dabs*

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:14 pm**

Wikgy's ISO leaves lots to be desired.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:32 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:07 am This marks the second time you guys go against my wishes when I'm asleep and unable to influence the events.
It's starting to genuinely annoy me, especially since you didn't even have a good reason.

solution

stop sleeping

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:36 pm**

can someone who's played with him before confirm Ted's claim that he would never make a readlist as scum

it is not a claim I find particularly believable but if it's actually true I'll take the free clear

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:59 pm**

I was scum with Ted just last game, and he did not make a read list, I was surprised to see. Sample size of one, definitely could use some more research.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:01 pm**

technically it's an easy fix, I'll just not do it the next time as a villager or any time for that matter but I know how to clear myself

i am basically unyeetable

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:05 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:01 pm technically it's an easy fix, I'll just not do it the next time as a villager or any time for that matter but I know how to clear myself

i am basically unyeetable

Isn't this a form of angleshooting?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:06 pm**

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:05 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:01 pm technically it's an easy fix, I'll just not do it the next time as a villager or any time for that matter but I know how to clear myself

i am basically unyeetable
Isn't this a form of angleshooting?

no? how's this angleshooting

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:08 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:06 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:05 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:01 pm technically it's an easy fix, I'll just not do it the next time as a villager or any time for that matter but I know how to clear myself

i am basically unyeetable
Isn't this a form of angleshooting?
no? how's this angleshooting

not sure angleshooting is the right term, but purposely giving yourself a tell you only do as one alignment affects game integrity

we had one guy on my homesite who would only say a certain phrase when he was town and it got shot down as some sort of out-of-game-influence

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:10 pm**

I mean I didn't craft it specifically for this game or any game lol

it's basically meta

I just thought about the context of the game and within this context, this is pretty clearing

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:14 pm**

unless someone makes me a graph I refuse to accept "does not make read lists as scum" as evidence.

ted's still town though

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:29 pm**

I don't think it's wrong to try and leverage your own meta to conceal your wolfiness. With so many people referring to meta to make cases, how could it be wrong?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:19 pm**

dead thread

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:20 pm**

no one voting for pushkin is a tragedy

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:28 pm**

i honestly think my presence this game has been a net negative for town because im spamming like 100s of posts with no clear direction and its really not good

so im probably just like... not gonna post anymore until something happens that makes me feel i should post more

glgl

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:35 pm**

Long Con
Vulgard
Arete
Hally
tedxtr
Poison Chan
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy
Ash Lael
Epignosis
112

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:36 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:35 pm Long Con
Vulgard
Arete
Hally
tedxtr
Poison Chan
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy
Ash Lael
Epignosis
112

big-time scummy list right here

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:37 pm**

remember: I'm the mischop the mafia need.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:37 pm**

Oh yeah. I scummed it up real good.

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:38 pm**

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:37 pm remember: I'm the mischop the mafia need.

How do you figure?

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:41 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:38 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:37 pm remember: I'm the mischop the mafia need.
How do you figure?

With two townies gone in a row, they're running out of ones to yeet.

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