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Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm
by Esooa
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm If Michelle is town (a) fuck me I just suck then and (b) Ellie is still probably mafia and (c) maybe spf
yup, possibly Alison too

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm
by nutella
Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:05 pm
by Esooa
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more
in the case michelle is town, and LC was town, you've also been scum siding more just saying LMSAO

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:06 pm
by nutella
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:05 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more
in the case michelle is town, and LC was town, you've also been scum siding more just saying LMSAO
Yeah but I feel like spf's progression is more genuine either way

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:07 pm
by staypositivefriend
@esooa -i think that you're town. if you're gonna go down the route of pushing on me, then i would kindly ask you to give my ISO another readthrough in good faith and point out anything that you find suspicious. i can't do much w/"vibes", and i would hate to get trapped in a town v town tunnel

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
by Esooa
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:07 pm @esooa -i think that you're town. if you're gonna go down the route of pushing on me, then i would kindly ask you to give my ISO another readthrough in good faith and point out anything that you find suspicious. i can't do much w/"vibes", and i would hate to get trapped in a town v town tunnel
I'm not gonna tunnel you or lynch you today. I just wanted to vote you cause I like giving u attention :hug:

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more
I really feel like we've been pretty damn in sync this game. Maybe not 100% perfection, but in sync. Be like Mac and search your soul to find me within.

I should be just as obvious as you are frankly

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
by nutella
Ngl I started to be a little afraid when I noticed Michelle's postcount


But I won't shake I am still voting her over anyone else today

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
by Esooa
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm Ngl I started to be a little afraid when I noticed Michelle's postcount


But I won't shake I am still voting her over anyone else today
what do you think about the thing I said

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more
I really feel like we've been pretty damn in sync this game. Maybe not 100% perfection, but in sync. Be like Mac and search your soul to find me within.

I should be just as obvious as you are frankly
Not when you entered today and felt bad about the gamestate instead of excited that I caught obvious mafia.

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
by staypositivefriend
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:07 pm @esooa -i think that you're town. if you're gonna go down the route of pushing on me, then i would kindly ask you to give my ISO another readthrough in good faith and point out anything that you find suspicious. i can't do much w/"vibes", and i would hate to get trapped in a town v town tunnel
I'm not gonna tunnel you or lynch you today. I just wanted to vote you cause I like giving u attention :hug:
ok i'll take it :P

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:10 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more
I really feel like we've been pretty damn in sync this game. Maybe not 100% perfection, but in sync. Be like Mac and search your soul to find me within.

I should be just as obvious as you are frankly
Not when you entered today and felt bad about the gamestate instead of excited that I caught obvious mafia.
just like I wasn't "excited" when Mac caught obvious mafia Esooa

y'all chill

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:10 pm
by nutella
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm Ngl I started to be a little afraid when I noticed Michelle's postcount


But I won't shake I am still voting her over anyone else today
what do you think about the thing I said
About her coming-back-to-the-thread-from-sleep tell? It is a thing yeah and I see what you mean that she really wants us to be open to the possibility of her flipping green. That can be a mindgame tho

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm
by Esooa
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm Ngl I started to be a little afraid when I noticed Michelle's postcount


But I won't shake I am still voting her over anyone else today
what do you think about the thing I said
About her coming-back-to-the-thread-from-sleep tell? It is a thing yeah and I see what you mean that she really wants us to be open to the possibility of her flipping green. That can be a mindgame tho
but it wasn't a simple question either, she also posted an okay amount of reads

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Why is Made town

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:10 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:08 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:04 pm Actually maybe jay before spf, I mindmeld with spf a lot more
I really feel like we've been pretty damn in sync this game. Maybe not 100% perfection, but in sync. Be like Mac and search your soul to find me within.

I should be just as obvious as you are frankly
Not when you entered today and felt bad about the gamestate instead of excited that I caught obvious mafia.
just like I wasn't "excited" when Mac caught obvious mafia Esooa

y'all chill
Still, the vibes from you have been ever so slightly off from what I expect and I didn't really agree with some of your interactive chart conclusions. But those are all things that have happened when you're town. I'm not *feeling* the scumjay *feeling* yet so u good

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Why is Ellie town

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:12 pm
by Esooa
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
who are these questions to and for what?

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:12 pm
by staypositivefriend
Michelle wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:32 pm You know what i like now? How mafia is playing with sweet words and relaxing when they have granted a new mislynch.
No one cares about solving. No one.
tbf i did find it a little odd that michelle was so concerned about ~no one~ solving the game when she had already solved the game from her perspective. she seemed pretty confident about a me/esooa/nutella scumworld, and she seemed pretty content to tell people to sheep her reads if she flipped green

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:13 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
who are these questions to and for what?
Absolutely anybody.

I have no satisfying answers. Thus kill them

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:13 pm
by Esooa
[VOTE: Ellie] aubergine

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Michelle can still be mafia by analytic reduction. There's a part of me that wants to run the hell away from "it hurt my feelings", but I am not allowed to make hard emotion reads anymore

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 pm
by Esooa
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 pm Michelle can still be mafia by analytic reduction. There's a part of me that wants to run the hell away from "it hurt my feelings", but I am not allowed to make hard emotion reads anymore
idk what this means

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:16 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Made town
Idfk. There's a decently large chance he's not, and yet I have an inexplicable feeling deep in my gut that won't let me vote for him (at least before Michelle and proooobably not before Ellie but that's more in flux). I think it's just something about his tone and how I see his nature as a player, that I think his contrarian takes can come from a town perspective-- idk the more I think about this the dumber it sounds, of course his content can be from scum. So I can't explain it and you probably should disregard this whole post

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 pm Michelle can still be mafia by analytic reduction. There's a part of me that wants to run the hell away from "it hurt my feelings", but I am not allowed to make hard emotion reads anymore
idk what this means
My interactive reviews make Michelle a valid candidate and POE member. People I read as town have wanted her slaughtered. I can see much of the argument against her even if I don't share quite the same bloodlust.

Earlier I said I didn't give a crap whether we chop Michelle, Made, or Ellie. Michelle said that hurt her feelings. I am allergic to that. I often town read that. It often makes me look stupid. I'm not allowed to judge that.

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
by Made
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
for me it's mostly tone, she read like a vaguely new-to-mafia player who seems to be playing in a way that doesn't really and for a while--beside on me--we were on the same wave length.

I also don't like how yesterday thread from lc to her to lc, and then lc flips town. I feel like mafia would want to not get their hands dirty with LC, so they needed to go somewhere and that someone ended up being Ellie. Then when they realized everyones hands would be dirty cuz hammer they followed through with the lc lynch, and now they have a strategy for the next 3 or so days. bake ellie, bake me, and now im starting to see a world where esooa is green and they bake her as well

if ellie were bad, i feel like they wouldn't of hammered

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
She's not


Tbh at this point I'm probably almost equally okay baking her today as Michelle

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm
by Made
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
for me it's mostly tone, she read like a vaguely new-to-mafia player who seems to be playing in a way that doesn't really have an agenda and for a while--beside on me--we were on the same wave length.

I also don't like how yesterday thread from lc to her to lc, and then lc flips town. I feel like mafia would want to not get their hands dirty with LC, so they needed to go somewhere and that someone ended up being Ellie. Then when they realized everyones hands would be dirty cuz hammer they followed through with the lc lynch, and now they have a strategy for the next 3 or so days. bake ellie, bake me, and now im starting to see a world where esooa is green and they bake her as well

if ellie were bad, i feel like they wouldn't of hammered

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm
by nutella
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:12 pm
Michelle wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:32 pm You know what i like now? How mafia is playing with sweet words and relaxing when they have granted a new mislynch.
No one cares about solving. No one.
tbf i did find it a little odd that michelle was so concerned about ~no one~ solving the game when she had already solved the game from her perspective. she seemed pretty confident about a me/esooa/nutella scumworld, and she seemed pretty content to tell people to sheep her reads if she flipped green
Yeah this is the most reassuring stuff to me that she'll just flip red -- whenever you bring up how she keeps framing that solve, I just cannot comprehend a world where she actually believes it lol

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:20 pm
by DaughterOfOmega
Ellie cfd would be my prerogative

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:20 pm
by staypositivefriend
i relate to jagged in the sense that michelle made me feel guilty on d1 and her ate has been one of the few things about her that i've found towny

if i could find an example of michelle ATE'ing like that as scum, it'd prolly be helpful

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm
by nutella
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
for me it's mostly tone, she read like a vaguely new-to-mafia player who seems to be playing in a way that doesn't really and for a while--beside on me--we were on the same wave length.

I also don't like how yesterday thread from lc to her to lc, and then lc flips town. I feel like mafia would want to not get their hands dirty with LC, so they needed to go somewhere and that someone ended up being Ellie. Then when they realized everyones hands would be dirty cuz hammer they followed through with the lc lynch, and now they have a strategy for the next 3 or so days. bake ellie, bake me, and now im starting to see a world where esooa is green and they bake her as well

if ellie were bad, i feel like they wouldn't of hammered
hm

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm
by DaughterOfOmega
I will kill Michelle over Made, but don't prefer that situation

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
for me it's mostly tone, she read like a vaguely new-to-mafia player who seems to be playing in a way that doesn't really have an agenda and for a while--beside on me--we were on the same wave length.

I also don't like how yesterday thread from lc to her to lc, and then lc flips town. I feel like mafia would want to not get their hands dirty with LC, so they needed to go somewhere and that someone ended up being Ellie. Then when they realized everyones hands would be dirty cuz hammer they followed through with the lc lynch, and now they have a strategy for the next 3 or so days. bake ellie, bake me, and now im starting to see a world where esooa is green and they bake her as well

if ellie were bad, i feel like they wouldn't of hammered
Two+ questions:

1) You don't think Ellie's desire to rip your head off represents an agenda?

2) If the Long Con chop frightened mafia regarding "getting their hands dirty", wouldn't a chop of town Ellie do the same thing? Who among those who moved to Ellie do you suspect?

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm
by Esooa
I am town reading Michelle and her AtE has read as fluff posting to me

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:23 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
for me it's mostly tone, she read like a vaguely new-to-mafia player who seems to be playing in a way that doesn't really have an agenda and for a while--beside on me--we were on the same wave length.

I also don't like how yesterday thread from lc to her to lc, and then lc flips town. I feel like mafia would want to not get their hands dirty with LC, so they needed to go somewhere and that someone ended up being Ellie. Then when they realized everyones hands would be dirty cuz hammer they followed through with the lc lynch, and now they have a strategy for the next 3 or so days. bake ellie, bake me, and now im starting to see a world where esooa is green and they bake her as well

if ellie were bad, i feel like they wouldn't of hammered
Two+ questions:

1) You don't think Ellie's desire to rip your head off represents an agenda?

2) If the Long Con chop frightened mafia regarding "getting their hands dirty", wouldn't a chop of town Ellie do the same thing? Who among those who moved to Ellie do you suspect?
Not to answer for him, but for part 2 I understood his meaning as the scum wanting to be off wagon with LC still being the chop, not to actually make Ellie the chop. But I could be wrong as Ellie was very much a viable wagon for a chunk of time.

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm
by Esooa
VCA speculation doesn't really help without vote movements

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm
by Esooa
like who did what

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm
by DkKoba
spf are u susceptible to being pocketed when u roll town? genuine questuion

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm
by DkKoba
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm I am town reading Michelle and her AtE has read as fluff posting to me
took u long enough

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:25 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Michelle had tallies saved. Lemme fetch.

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:25 pm
by staypositivefriend
DkKoba wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm spf are u susceptible to being pocketed when u roll town? genuine questuion
absolutely. i got pocketed pretty hard by emblaze in chosen mafia, to give a recent example

usually if the game goes on for long enough i end up getting paranoid and re-evaluating all of my reads, though

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:26 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tally from when Long Con and Ellie were tied 5-5
Michelle wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:43 pm [VOTE: Ellie ] aubergine
Spoiler: show
Who would you like to bake today?
Poll runs till Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
0
No votes
Voters: None
DkKoba
0
No votes
Voters: None
EllieDelight
5
31%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Michelle, Esooa, Long Con, Alison
Esooa
1
6%
Voters: MacDougall
Grogu
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
5
31%
Voters: staypositivefriend, nutella, EllieDelight, Made, DaughterOfOmega
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Made
1
6%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Michelle
1
6%
Voters: Grogu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
1
6%
Voters: DkKoba
No Bake
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
1
6%
Voters: tutuu
I'm a gluten fiend (Host, Mods, Nonplayers)
1
6%
Voters: Marmot
Total votes: 16
Just tied wagons again

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:26 pm
by Esooa
oh yeah also michelle keeping vote counts is mega towny lmfao

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:26 pm
by Made
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:21 pm
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm
Made wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 pm Why is Ellie town
for me it's mostly tone, she read like a vaguely new-to-mafia player who seems to be playing in a way that doesn't really have an agenda and for a while--beside on me--we were on the same wave length.

I also don't like how yesterday thread from lc to her to lc, and then lc flips town. I feel like mafia would want to not get their hands dirty with LC, so they needed to go somewhere and that someone ended up being Ellie. Then when they realized everyones hands would be dirty cuz hammer they followed through with the lc lynch, and now they have a strategy for the next 3 or so days. bake ellie, bake me, and now im starting to see a world where esooa is green and they bake her as well

if ellie were bad, i feel like they wouldn't of hammered
Two+ questions:

1) You don't think Ellie's desire to rip your head off represents an agenda?

2) If the Long Con chop frightened mafia regarding "getting their hands dirty", wouldn't a chop of town Ellie do the same thing? Who among those who moved to Ellie do you suspect?
1. i didn't consider that-- but assumed she just thought i was wolf cuz i was "pocketing her"/"trying to make her look like were were teammates"
2. it's a half dirty & half clean vs all clean situation. if hammer, we--the whole town-- kill LC. If it were a podrace between ellie and LC, assuming t/t on d1, before ellie eventually flips green, all voters on LC wagon would of been looked into further...i'll have to go back and check who switched.

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 pm
by Esooa
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:25 pm
DkKoba wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm spf are u susceptible to being pocketed when u roll town? genuine questuion
absolutely. i got pocketed pretty hard by emblaze in chosen mafia, to give a recent example

usually if the game goes on for long enough i end up getting paranoid and re-evaluating all of my reads, though
I wanna pocket u it'll be nice and comfy and cozy and cute

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
@Made, the living players who voted Ellie, at least up to five votes, were myself, Esooa, Alison, and Michelle.

Who d'you figure may have been the mafia avoiding dirty hands?

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 pm
by nutella
Anyone have any idea when Nanook moved to Made??? Wtf

I'm triggered bc like, he was defending Michelle and only jumped on her wagon last night when I was going hard against her and it seemed that she was beyond sure to be the chop

And now that Made is a viable counter again he jumped over there without announcing it in thread

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 pm
by staypositivefriend
Esooa wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:25 pm
DkKoba wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm spf are u susceptible to being pocketed when u roll town? genuine questuion
absolutely. i got pocketed pretty hard by emblaze in chosen mafia, to give a recent example

usually if the game goes on for long enough i end up getting paranoid and re-evaluating all of my reads, though
I wanna pocket u it'll be nice and comfy and cozy and cute
tbh u definitely already have :omg:

Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:28 pm
by DkKoba
esooa what changed ur mind on michelle