Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Sometimes it can be implied from investigative actions yielding non-results.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:32 pm Question: Do roleblocked players get a result that they got roleblocked here? Because that usually does not happen.
depends the game, but in my experience most of the time, yeahGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:32 pm Question: Do roleblocked players get a result that they got roleblocked here? Because that usually does not happen.
lol so the remaining mafia are act, hawk and one of those 2?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:33 pmNot officially to my knowledge. Kito/Owner is disproven. Allcrab/lost monkey is alive.
Allcrab could definitely have TMI on bad bunny.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:34 pmlol so the remaining mafia are act, hawk and one of those 2?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:33 pmNot officially to my knowledge. Kito/Owner is disproven. Allcrab/lost monkey is alive.
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Implied is a different animal than getting mod confirmation though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:34 pmSometimes it can be implied from investigative actions yielding non-results.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:32 pm Question: Do roleblocked players get a result that they got roleblocked here? Because that usually does not happen.
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Why did you make a fake red check? And, if you didn't target Actv, who did you target?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:18 pmOkay, I believe you and I rescind my redcheck.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:16 pmI’m not scum. And I didn’t do shit last night so idk man, but from where I’m standing either you were given wrong information or you’re straight up lying.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:13 pmScum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:11 pmWhat if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:09 pmWell, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:06 pmUnless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.
I didn't target Actv. I know this comes as a huge surprise to everyone.
I wanted to see how Actv and others reacted. Sometimes people who get redchecked make their alignment really clear, either by responding in a super towny way, or responding in a super scummy way. I think Actv's response was okay. I wouldn't clear her over it, but she didn't look bad from it at all.Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:36 pmWhy did you make a fake red check? And, if you didn't target Actv, who did you target?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:18 pmOkay, I believe you and I rescind my redcheck.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:16 pmI’m not scum. And I didn’t do shit last night so idk man, but from where I’m standing either you were given wrong information or you’re straight up lying.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:13 pmScum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:11 pmWhat if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:09 pmWell, if someone claims they redirected me, we can yeet whomever they redirected me to. Otherwise, you're it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:06 pm
Unless mafia went into full blown deep wolf mode by straight up bussing Owner out of no where (which I don’t think happened), you were given wrong information. I don’t see why else you’d make this up. Please consider that before you start pushing for my yeet. I literally just posted a bunch of Golden Girls gifs in my discord.
I didn't target Actv. I know this comes as a huge surprise to everyone.
That's so romantic!JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pmHe was a darling. We just stayed up late and gossiped about all of you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pmI mean like what was he like did he buy you flowers did u see a move what movie was it did u kithJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 pmCliffs:
Gavial and I had to decide who dies, either or both of us. He took the sacrifice like a hero. Mafia didn't try to kill me N1. hawkataine block serious.
All right, that's helpful. I have taken my (impulsive vote) off of Actv.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:39 pmI wanted to see how Actv and others reacted. Sometimes people who get redchecked make their alignment really clear, either by responding in a super towny way, or responding in a super scummy way. I think Actv's response was okay. I wouldn't clear her over it, but she didn't look bad from it at all.Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:36 pmWhy did you make a fake red check? And, if you didn't target Actv, who did you target?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:18 pmOkay, I believe you and I rescind my redcheck.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:16 pmI’m not scum. And I didn’t do shit last night so idk man, but from where I’m standing either you were given wrong information or you’re straight up lying.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:13 pmScum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:11 pmWhat if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.
I didn't target Actv. I know this comes as a huge surprise to everyone.
I'd rather not say who I targeted yet.
this is a good point, hes getting no pressure but only seems to get villagery night actions like watchers and cupid shot from mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pmMartin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:37 pmGulio you have to realize at some point not every game follows the Holy Book of Mafia Roles authored by Mafia Universe.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pmThis does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pmThe entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!
Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.
Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.
If it were that simple they would've posted the role-cards. But they haven't.
Maybe it's because of things such as the Cupid having secret effects after their death, such as the Date.
There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.
@Sloonei will just have to explain as he sees fit. I don't much care until that happens (or doesn't).Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:41 pm "When an X-Shot role is blocked, the shot is not refunded; the player still counts as having "paid for" their role use, but the actual role is otherwise considered to not have happened (so, e.g., Trackers and Watchers will not be able to see the blocked role being used). The blocked player will not normally be told that they have been blocked (unless they used an investigative role and thus were expecting a results PM, in which case the moderator will let them know that their action failed)."
Or wolves could set up another wolf in the date to make it seem that wayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
Right now Gavial blocking Hawk N1 seems the most likely reason there wasn't a N1 kill, and that points to Hawk being scum. It is possible this is wrong and something else happened N1, but Hawk has not inspired a lot of confidence otherwise, so it seems reasonable to be there.Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:41 pmAll right, that's helpful. I have taken my (impulsive vote) off of Actv.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:39 pmI wanted to see how Actv and others reacted. Sometimes people who get redchecked make their alignment really clear, either by responding in a super towny way, or responding in a super scummy way. I think Actv's response was okay. I wouldn't clear her over it, but she didn't look bad from it at all.Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:36 pmWhy did you make a fake red check? And, if you didn't target Actv, who did you target?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:18 pmOkay, I believe you and I rescind my redcheck.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:16 pmI’m not scum. And I didn’t do shit last night so idk man, but from where I’m standing either you were given wrong information or you’re straight up lying.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:13 pmScum wouldn't redirect me onto scum since they don't know the extent of my powers.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:11 pm
What if the person who redirected you is scum? Why in that case would they claim? They’re watching me die because of whatever they did to make you think I killed Kito.
I didn't target Actv. I know this comes as a huge surprise to everyone.
I'd rather not say who I targeted yet.
Can you tell me why you voted Hawk?
this line of thinking is near outingbad bunny wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:43 pmOr wolves could set up another wolf in the date to make it seem that wayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
Half the value of goofy stuff like this is that it leaves the door open for people to wonder.bad bunny wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:43 pmOr wolves could set up another wolf in the date to make it seem that wayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
I'm mildly suspicious of JJJ, but if I tried to put myself in Mafia's shoes in the case where JJJ was town, I think given that it is a closed setup with a huge group, I would perhaps not target JJJ with a kill N1 since JJJ is a likely doc target. The cupid thing would go through even with a doc block, and setting JJJ with Gav might be a reasonable way to have a decent chance of killing him N2 while still being able to use the N2 shot on someone else.bad bunny wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:42 pmthis is a good point, hes getting no pressure but only seems to get villagery night actions like watchers and cupid shot from mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pmMartin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:37 pmGulio you have to realize at some point not every game follows the Holy Book of Mafia Roles authored by Mafia Universe.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:33 pmThis does not say that only you two could target each other for a kill, it says that you are both jailkept and only can be targeted for kills.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:26 pmThe entire mechanical design of the date was that Gavial and I both had "killing power", at least that could amount to a vote. So that's what this is meant to convey -- the only thing that can happen to us in there is death. The source of that death would have to be ourselves.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm Gavial and JaggedJimmyJay will be going on a date this night phase.
They are both effectively jail kept and can only be targeted by killing actions.
We hope the date will go splendidly!
Gavial ate it pridefully, and Kito was likely the standard mafia kill.
Hilariously convenient that you could not be investigated, protected etc etc, but you could be killed but you are not killed, YOU! Who has been townread.
Also I know for a fact that when a cupid dies the loverized players become unloverized, so this action of you two being jailkept had to be independent from that, something like a Torturer action.
If it were that simple they would've posted the role-cards. But they haven't.
Maybe it's because of things such as the Cupid having secret effects after their death, such as the Date.
There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.
Hi I was trying to leave this game alone for tonightJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:37 pm hawk just dramatically throws her hands up at the fates for her misfortune, and doesn't stop for half a second to question whether or not Martin is bullshitting his heal claim
but this post made me angry so I’m backWhy don't you let him out his thoughts anyways instead of trying to intimidate him with comments like this? If he is wolf we'd love all info he could give us. If he is town he is going against the grain to provide a different point of view. Win-win, don't you think Mac?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:45 pmthis line of thinking is near outingbad bunny wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:43 pmOr wolves could set up another wolf in the date to make it seem that wayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:43 pmThe whole point of the date was to try to get us both killed. Why else do you think they chose GavialGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm Ok. If we lose to this I get to tell you "I told you so" after game.
I've no desire to make you angry, but I'm sorry that I just don't believe this. You should continue to post when you feel like doing so, and I won't just assume everything you say is b/s immediately. But I will make judgments, and this is currently my judgment. It isn't a "joke", and that attitude doesn't really suit the persona you've adopted elsewhere even when under pressure. I sense the box closing around you.hawkataine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:48 pmHi I was trying to leave this game alone for tonightJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:37 pm hawk just dramatically throws her hands up at the fates for her misfortune, and doesn't stop for half a second to question whether or not Martin is bullshitting his heal claim
What a joke to say I haven’t thought about something, especially when I explicitly said that I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else had the healer role and also healed Alison
What a joke to think anyone would believe me over Martin given the gamestate, in the unlikely event they took a minute to genuinely think about my position in the first place
What a joke to think I want to potentially force Martin into the exact situation I was in yesterday by assuming things about this game’s mechanics if he’s town
By all means consider this possibility. Please consider this possibility. But I’m not about to start pointing fingers given how shitty my day was yesterday.
Too realJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:46 pmYou have a nice conversation, laugh together about the absurdity of life, enjoy a walk along a path surrounded by lush overgrowth, say goodbye, and then get ghosted.
......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?
If you want us to verify Hawk's claim, why are you voting her?
Because if there is only one poisoner specially if it's a 3P like you said, then the 3P has no way of winning when his target can be healed by two people, it's bad game set up. Do you think Dizzy and Marmot don't know better?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:51 pm Why is it so clear there aren't two healers? If the poisoner is an infinite shot and the healers are limited shot, it wouldn't be too crazy, especially if it was something like a 3p poisoner and one of the healers was mafia.
There have been a lot of evidence of duplicate roles, and it fits the flavor, so it seems to kind of be the gimmick of this game.
On a cold september, after his great adventures, Made was wondering what to do that week. He had picked up his life from where he left it and wanted to make something from it. Then all the sudden a strange woman appeared on Made's doorstep. She was hiden beneath a long cloak and had long brown nails on her fingers. Her dirty hair fluished down from beneath the cloak and she had glowing eyes!MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:41 pm You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Made and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another mafia player, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add JaggedJimmyJay to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because JaggedJimmyJay KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Made, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Made, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
My vote is on him
But if there is a 1-shot and a 2-shot as claimed, they're out of shots by D2, so poisoner just becames SK. With a reasonable wincon, they could have a fine chance.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:59 pmBecause if there is only one poisoner specially if it's a 3P like you said, then the 3P has no way of winning when his target can be healed by two people, it's bad game set up. Do you think Dizzy and Marmot don't know better?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:51 pm Why is it so clear there aren't two healers? If the poisoner is an infinite shot and the healers are limited shot, it wouldn't be too crazy, especially if it was something like a 3p poisoner and one of the healers was mafia.
There have been a lot of evidence of duplicate roles, and it fits the flavor, so it seems to kind of be the gimmick of this game.
With poisoners how it works is that, there has to be two and one healer, so the healer has to choose to save one while the other inevitably dies.
She isn't claiming 2 shot healer?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?
I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.