Re: Dr. Who Mafia - Day 8
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:33 pm
Sabie was the fifth voter for Enrique, Made had 4 votes at the time. Sabie had voted for Made in two previous lynches. She still has not addressed this satisfactorily, IMO.
Dom, I want to ensure that we understand each other. Because honestly, other than me feeling you are forcing reason to vote for me, I didn't think you were bad. I felt that you were hunting baddies. We just seem to have a fog between us that makes us misunderstand each other.Chris, you want to accuse people of pulling NO Us. As Epig just pointed out, you now suspect the people who have voted for you. How can you be in this state of cognitive dissonance? If you can explain this to me, I'd be willing to have a discussion about who to vote for instead, but you have continually refused to do this.
I didn't realize it was tied at the time she voted...Turnip Head wrote:Sabie was the fifth voter for Enrique, Made had 4 votes at the time. Sabie had voted for Made in two previous lynches. She still has not addressed this satisfactorily, IMO.
I'm sorry.Dom wrote:This is already the longest Mafia thread by post count on the site, holy cow
mp and zeek started it.Chris wrote:I'm sorry.Dom wrote:This is already the longest Mafia thread by post count on the site, holy cow
Sabie was voting for Made, who couldn't be lynched. I maintain that as a Cyber, her team role checked Made BEFORE the lynch vote, and switched their efforts to someone who can be lynched. Rico. They all did it. Made was still lynched though, and we found out he was unlynchable. Then he gets NKed, and Rico gets lynched next.Dom wrote:So, Chris, this is what I don't understand-- what would Sabie, as a Cyberman, have to gain from stopping to vote for Made? I can see what she would have to gain as a Dalek, but not a Cyberman. I think you've made an excellent case that Sabie is a Dalek-- but she is not.
Can I get a rezz to continue building the count?Hedgeowl wrote:mp and zeek started it.Chris wrote:I'm sorry.Dom wrote:This is already the longest Mafia thread by post count on the site, holy cow
Why would the Cybermen do this?Chris wrote:Sabie was voting for Made, who couldn't be lynched. I maintain that as a Cyber, her team role checked Made BEFORE the lynch vote, and switched their efforts to someone who can be lynched. Rico. They all did it. Made was still lynched though, and we found out he was unlynchable. Then he gets NKed, and Rico gets lynched next.Dom wrote:So, Chris, this is what I don't understand-- what would Sabie, as a Cyberman, have to gain from stopping to vote for Made? I can see what she would have to gain as a Dalek, but not a Cyberman. I think you've made an excellent case that Sabie is a Dalek-- but she is not.
See? They seemed to know to move on to Rico before they were SUPPOSED to know to go to Rico.
It doesn't.Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
He's saying that Sabie switched her vote from Enri to Made because she knew Made wouldn't be lynched. Sh had originally placed her vote for Enri to distance herself from him in the (at the time) likely event of his lynch. Of course, the Dalek team has been detroyed.Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
*It WASN'TChris wrote:It wasn't a distancing vote keys. It was a change from someone who couldn't be lynched, to someone who could.
Didn't I make that clear?
The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
You think pretty much an entire team did the exact same, traceable thing that would damn them?Chris wrote:DOm: Like TH said, it could have tied up the lynch for two days on Made if they had lynched Rico instead.
Or they just wanted to lynch someone who could be lynched. I don't know. But you've got to admit, it's fucking odd that she switched her vote like she did. That they all did it.
Epig, Sabie, and Snow all switched from Made to Rico.
On the same day.
I think the Daleks would have wanted to delay it, yes. But I think that if the Cybers knew that they couldn't kill Made with a lynch, they knew they could kill Rico. So they all switched to Rico. If they had managed to lynch Rico the day Made was lynched, then we tried to lynch Made the next day, Strax wouldn't be able to NK him, and we'd waste another lynch on Made.Dom wrote:The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
WHY?Chris wrote:I think the Daleks would have wanted to delay it, yes. But I think that if the Cybers knew that they couldn't kill Made with a lynch, they knew they could kill Rico. So they all switched to Rico. If they had managed to lynch Rico the day Made was lynched, then we tried to lynch Made the next day, Strax wouldn't be able to NK him, and we'd waste another lynch on Made.Dom wrote:The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
Or, like I said before, they could have just wanted to lynch someone who can die...
Well roxy voted for made between him and enri, so if the cybers really knew the roles and knew made would survive lynches then i could see why she would vote enri later. Early on the cybers would not necassiroly have checked Made, so that may have just been due to thread suspicions of him and going with the flow. I do find her voting strangely preditive based on what Chris pointed out. My initial concern of her was her seeming knowledge of made and Enrique being teammates yet apparently being very busy. It seemed like she had deeper or intuitive knowledge more than was warrented. Her tone and responses as several have noted have not made me feel better about her tbh.Dom wrote:So, Chris, this is what I don't understand-- what would Sabie, as a Cyberman, have to gain from stopping to vote for Made? I can see what she would have to gain as a Dalek, but not a Cyberman. I think you've made an excellent case that Sabie is a Dalek-- but she is not.
Epig was voting for Rico the whole time. So that wouldn't stick out. Then Sabie went from voting for Made on days 2 and 3 to voting Rico on day 4, before anyone knew Made couldn't be lynched.Dom wrote:You think pretty much an entire team did the exact same, traceable thing that would damn them?Chris wrote:DOm: Like TH said, it could have tied up the lynch for two days on Made if they had lynched Rico instead.
Or they just wanted to lynch someone who could be lynched. I don't know. But you've got to admit, it's fucking odd that she switched her vote like she did. That they all did it.
Epig, Sabie, and Snow all switched from Made to Rico.
On the same day.
Chris wrote: Maybe The Daleks Cybermen figured they'd NK Made, and lynch Rico?
Why Sabie & not Epi? I will do it, because I think you are not bad. But the people you are asking to move their votes are Epi voters.Chris wrote:LC, I hope you come back and change your vote to Sabie.
So this is all predicated on Epig being bad... right?Chris wrote:Epig was voting for Rico the whole time. So that wouldn't stick out. Then Sabie went from voting for Made on days 2 and 3 to voting Rico on day 4, before anyone knew Made couldn't be lynched.Dom wrote:You think pretty much an entire team did the exact same, traceable thing that would damn them?Chris wrote:DOm: Like TH said, it could have tied up the lynch for two days on Made if they had lynched Rico instead.
Or they just wanted to lynch someone who could be lynched. I don't know. But you've got to admit, it's fucking odd that she switched her vote like she did. That they all did it.
Epig, Sabie, and Snow all switched from Made to Rico.
On the same day.
Why would she do that? Just why? Ask yourself that.
Then Snow Dog, who was voting for Made the day he was lynched, day 3, comes back on day 4, and votes for Rico.
Again, why?
They knew Made couldn't be lynched. They joined their teammate Epig in his campaign against Rico. Maybe The Daleks figured they'd NK Made, and lynch Rico?
I actually had the same question. Why didn't you ask me and juliets to switch our votes to Epi?S~V~S wrote:I moved it, but your push away from Epi, whom you say you also suspect, to Sabie, when there was no clear vote majority, is making me a bit nervous, tbh.
Dom wrote:WHY?Chris wrote:I think the Daleks would have wanted to delay it, yes. But I think that if the Cybers knew that they couldn't kill Made with a lynch, they knew they could kill Rico. So they all switched to Rico. If they had managed to lynch Rico the day Made was lynched, then we tried to lynch Made the next day, Strax wouldn't be able to NK him, and we'd waste another lynch on Made.Dom wrote:The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
Or, like I said before, they could have just wanted to lynch someone who can die...
Why wouldn't the Cybermen want to leave the thread mired in useless Made lynches?
This is the part that I am not following at all?
I feel the same way.Hedgeowl wrote:Dom wrote:WHY?Chris wrote:I think the Daleks would have wanted to delay it, yes. But I think that if the Cybers knew that they couldn't kill Made with a lynch, they knew they could kill Rico. So they all switched to Rico. If they had managed to lynch Rico the day Made was lynched, then we tried to lynch Made the next day, Strax wouldn't be able to NK him, and we'd waste another lynch on Made.Dom wrote:The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
Or, like I said before, they could have just wanted to lynch someone who can die...
Why wouldn't the Cybermen want to leave the thread mired in useless Made lynches?
This is the part that I am not following at all?
I think the important point is that Roxy a dalek voted for. Made over enri because he would survive. If sabie is a cyber and knew made AND enri's role then she would vote Enri necause he would actaully get lynched and have a role reveal, then the evidence would point to made again who had been defending him. Thats the theory that makes some sense to me. I am not totally convinced Epi might be a cyber, because of his initial suspicion of enri as epi. 1.0. I feel better about a sabie vote at this pojnt.
Linki i am wondering the same. Why not just want to lynch epi chris?
So is Sabie being bad predicated on Epig being bad?Chris wrote:TH, you didn't say that you'd move it. And LC said he wasn't dead set on Epig. He's just voting for who he thinks is bad. If you're willing to switch your vote, great! And juliets may not come back.
Like I said, I am concerned (perhaps unnecessarily) that there are going to be unseen votes on me. I really don't want to die. I'm fighting my ass off here. (And I'm having fun)
Dom, maybe that's a problem I have. But in my head, it seems crystal clear. I guess I have trouble trying to look at it from someone else's POV?
But really, it's crystal clear.