Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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hahahahahaMovingPictures07 wrote:Vote juliets
Let's see what happens.
Yeah, I think so.juliets wrote:I will probably do the same (heavy sigh)
I should just go ahead and do it and get it over with
The game ends no matter what right? If he's bad it ends and if he's good speedchuck wins -
Welcome to the land of the dead Dizzy!Dyslexicon wrote:I had fun, thanks, Sprit!
juliets wrote:Ok MP, I'm starting to think it might be speed. If he made up that third name, he then told me it wasn't me to get me to believe him. If he made the name up it's none of us, including Wilgy.
I need to think some more. I wish Strawhenge would come to the thread.
Ok thanks for telling me.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'll unvote. Let's decide tomorrow. I'll be busy until the evening though, just so you know.
unvote
Yeah, 6-7PM EST is likely. I won't be able to work until 9:00-10:00.juliets wrote:MP just to clarify, when you say evening do you mean like 6:00 EST or later than that? Hopefully you don't mean like 9:00 or 10:00.
Cool. Lets end it tomorrow evening. That will give time for post game if anyone is here.MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, 6-7PM EST is likely. I won't be able to work until 9:00-10:00.juliets wrote:MP just to clarify, when you say evening do you mean like 6:00 EST or later than that? Hopefully you don't mean like 9:00 or 10:00.
juliets wrote:Cool. Lets end it tomorrow evening. That will give time for post game if anyone is here.MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, 6-7PM EST is likely. I won't be able to work until 9:00-10:00.juliets wrote:MP just to clarify, when you say evening do you mean like 6:00 EST or later than that? Hopefully you don't mean like 9:00 or 10:00.
sprityo, take note!
Well, I haven't played a great game, so...juliets wrote:No, its not me. Its either Straw or speed and whichever one it is has played a great game.
Well, there has never been a backup doctor or backup anything else that I can think of on the syndicate or revolution or the piano or lostpedia and MP has played with me at all those places. It's really not me. It may be speed though. Thanks for answering the question about not being Bellic.Strawhenge wrote:Well, I haven't played a great game, so...juliets wrote:No, its not me. Its either Straw or speed and whichever one it is has played a great game.
Speedchuck's assessment of why MP wasn't lying seems really reasonable to me. Which crosses MP off my list.
So it comes down to speedchuck and juliets. I've already stated why speedchuck could be the rogue, but what about juliets? What did juliets claim? Backup doctor? Someone (I think speedchuck) said they didn't believe juliets would make a claim she'd never heard about before. I think that's kind of funky reasoning, but... Do we have any evidence that juliets's claim is true?
Also, from what I recall, the only thing I remember seeing about why juliets isn't the rogue is, 'Well it can't be juliets because it can't be.' I think speedchuck and Dyslexicon both said something to that effect. I too said that, but from a perspective of drowning in text and having no juliets-related pings.
I still have a strong gut feeling that it's speedchuck, but can I get some reasoning on why it can't be juliets? Because right now, if it's not juliets, it's fuggin speedchuck and we should lynch him.
I was kinda given a raw deal with an unprovable role, surviving this late in the game. Whichever of you is the rogue, you've been clever and creative with your claims. If I wind up getting lynched, it will be that cleverness and creativity on which you may rest your laurels. But I implore you all: I am not the rogue. I am not scum. I am a town-aligned revenge killer.
linki: No.
Strawhenge wrote:I have a date*.
read: exercise in futility that will likely result in, at best, a weekend comprised of long stretches of video games in the dark, plus bourbon
I am on one of those. But with my wife. Enjoy, and godspeed.Strawhenge wrote:Also I'm going to be taking off for the night in about 20 minutes. I have a date*.
read: exercise in futility that will likely result in, at best, a weekend comprised of long stretches of video games in the dark, plus bourbon
Strawhenge wrote:juliets, would you mind just briefly breaking down for me what your role is, who you targeted, and what the result(s) was/were?
Oh sorry Strawhenge I didn't see this.Strawhenge wrote:Strawhenge wrote:juliets, would you mind just briefly breaking down for me what your role is, who you targeted, and what the result(s) was/were?
linkispeedchuck wrote:If MP is telling the truth, Golden lied about his target. If MP is lying, Golden lied about being driven. Let's look at these cases:juliets wrote: speedchuck, since you think it's strawhenge as opposed to MP, are you thinking Golden just lied about his targeting JJJ and getting Fred? Thats the only way I see MP's targets making sense. Also, did you find your third name last night (if you want to say)?
And for all, should we push this lynch off until tomorrow morning at 11:00 am? speedchuck are you in a time zone where that wouldn't work?
MP is telling the truth case: Golden did not lie about where he went, but did lie about his target. I do not know why he told us anything at all, but hiding his target is reasonable. Why? His target was Fredwood. Mafia watchers often target teammates so that they can know whether townies are bluffing against them and whether they should distance or bus. He didn't want us to know that he targeted Fredwood.
If MP is lying, and is actually the marker: Golden lied about being busdriven at all. This makes no sense, and there's no reason for MP to corroborate it. Furthermore, Golden saw MP/Eloh target Freddie. I assume that this is true, because if it wasn't, both Golden and MP are asking for a lynch. If MP/Eloh targeted Freddie, and Jack didn't, then Fred would have been marked. He didn't die in the first explosion.
Long-winded stuff, but even with Golden's pointless lie, MP was telling the truth. Unless we've gotten a ton more misinformation than we thought, it isn't really possible for MP to be lying. Fred would have died earlier, or Golden would have been lying about even seeing Eloh, which would get Golden insta-lynched. Occam's razor says that MP is truthful. MP lying is tinfoil.
speed, for whatever reason I can't find where strawhenge refers to the above, allowing for a visit when tracked. Can you refresh my memory as to what he said about this or point me to the post where he explained it?speedchuck wrote:
Strawhenge, a guy whose roleclaim screams "don't you try to kill me, scum" and allows for a visit when tracked, which most revengekill roles do not do. A revengekill role also fits less in the setup if Quin was town. Mafia just doesn't have enough survivability for us to have a vigilante, and for mafia to be handing out guns to us, and for there to be a revengekill, and for there to be a marker. It felt like the doc was there to offset the vig, but man, a revengekill too, and no doc? Hrm. Plus a town doctor for town survivability...
Actually, if you check JJJ's metagame post, I'm pretty much always analytic, especially recently. I've actually been less analytic this game than normal. In addition, scum meta doesn't really apply to 3P meta. Which is unfortunate, because I feel like I've played a great town game, but that doesn't clear me.juliets wrote:speed, have you any logic to apply to your situation to show you are not the rogue? It seems to me you are probably Jeremy Bellic. You also said you tend to be more analytic when bad and you've been very analytic this game. Whatever you have to say, please say it. This is a hard decision.
Strawhenge wrote:That is what I wanted to know, yes, thankyew.
I don't mean this as an implication of suspicion; I'm just trying to cover the bases. But hey speedchuck and MP/KoFM, why do you find juliets's claim believable?
The inconvenience of her claim, which only made sense after Quin and Fredwood flipped. No 3P would make a claim so inconvenient and non-sensical, and then I doubt coincidence would intervene like this.speedchuck wrote: Juliets just went from my most questionable read to my most town read. I had a townread on Quin all game, and for him to be forged by Fred to show up as a bad guy makes sense. Backup roles are a thing, and I doubt Juliets would fakeclaim something she apparently didn't know about, while being perfectly consistent, and also be claiming a role that required two flips that didn't make sense without each other.
juliets wrote:speed, for whatever reason I can't find where strawhenge refers to the above, allowing for a visit when tracked. Can you refresh my memory as to what he said about this or point me to the post where he explained it?speedchuck wrote: Strawhenge, a guy whose roleclaim screams "don't you try to kill me, scum" and allows for a visit when tracked, which most revengekill roles do not do. A revengekill role also fits less in the setup if Quin was town. Mafia just doesn't have enough survivability for us to have a vigilante, and for mafia to be handing out guns to us, and for there to be a revengekill, and for there to be a marker. It felt like the doc was there to offset the vig, but man, a revengekill too, and no doc? Hrm. Plus a town doctor for town survivability...
I assume, since there is targeting, that a visit/target occurs during the night.Strawhenge wrote:Okay, I'm a revenge-killer. Choose someone every night and if I get NK'd, they die too.
My targets:
N1 Jay (you'd said some lowkey shady shit, sorry)
N2 (missed the night phase)
N3 Long Con
N4 Quin
N5 Fred
I am a seeker/conditional doublevoter. I have been given the 'names' of three roles, and if I manage to visit them at night, I will have a doublewvote the next day.Strawhenge wrote:Actually, same inquiries:
speedchuck and MP: quick summary of your claims and the results of such claims, por favor?
And then speed and juliets say why they feel MP's claim is believable, and MP and juliets say why speed's is believable.
Not going to be around as much during the day today, but I will be around for the hours leading up to deadline.speedchuck wrote: If MP is telling the truth, Golden lied about his target. If MP is lying, Golden lied about being driven. Let's look at these cases:
MP is telling the truth case: Golden did not lie about where he went, but did lie about his target. I do not know why he told us anything at all, but hiding his target is reasonable. Why? His target was Fredwood. Mafia watchers often target teammates so that they can know whether townies are bluffing against them and whether they should distance or bus. He didn't want us to know that he targeted Fredwood.
If MP is lying, and is actually the marker: Golden lied about being busdriven at all. This makes no sense, and there's no reason for MP to corroborate it. Furthermore, Golden saw MP/Eloh target Freddie. I assume that this is true, because if it wasn't, both Golden and MP are asking for a lynch. If MP/Eloh targeted Freddie, and Jack didn't, then Fred would have been marked. He didn't die in the first explosion.
Long-winded stuff, but even with Golden's pointless lie, MP was telling the truth. Unless we've gotten a ton more misinformation than we thought, it isn't really possible for MP to be lying. Fred would have died earlier, or Golden would have been lying about even seeing Eloh, which would get Golden insta-lynched. Occam's razor says that MP is truthful. MP lying is tinfoil.
Ok for some reason I'm not grasping this. As a revenge killer my understanding is Straw just picks someone every night to die if he gets night killed. I'm not understanding where the visit comes in or the notification of a person. Who gets notified and what do they get notified of? Who get's visited? Take his night 1 target JJJ for example. Who would have gotten notified and of what using that example? Who got "visited"? I know this is simpler than I'm making it and I don't know why I'm not understanding. I apologize.speedchuck wrote:juliets wrote:speed, for whatever reason I can't find where strawhenge refers to the above, allowing for a visit when tracked. Can you refresh my memory as to what he said about this or point me to the post where he explained it?speedchuck wrote: Strawhenge, a guy whose roleclaim screams "don't you try to kill me, scum" and allows for a visit when tracked, which most revengekill roles do not do. A revengekill role also fits less in the setup if Quin was town. Mafia just doesn't have enough survivability for us to have a vigilante, and for mafia to be handing out guns to us, and for there to be a revengekill, and for there to be a marker. It felt like the doc was there to offset the vig, but man, a revengekill too, and no doc? Hrm. Plus a town doctor for town survivability...I assume, since there is targeting, that a visit/target occurs during the night.Strawhenge wrote:Okay, I'm a revenge-killer. Choose someone every night and if I get NK'd, they die too.
My targets:
N1 Jay (you'd said some lowkey shady shit, sorry)
N2 (missed the night phase)
N3 Long Con
N4 Quin
N5 Fred
Most revengekill roles only notify the person, then ask him to select a target.
Strawhenge do you know what speed is talking about when he says this:Strawhenge wrote:As far as I understand a revenge killer role, they don't count as a 'visit'. It's like the mafia comes to kill them, and they panic and shoot someone with a shotgun as they die. Maybe sprityo works it differently, but unless someone tracked me, I'm not seeing the relevance.