Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Do you believe Hawk’s claim? (Did I miss where you talked about this?)Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:39 pmMy town pocket. (the other pocket is just for food storage.) Thank you for pointing it out.
I did a little bit in response to guillos questioning, but I'm not sure if I still feel the same today after the whole healer claim dealActvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:40 pmDid you already explain why you don’t think Hawk is scum? If not, can you?
It's possible TMI from her to assume Galvian would kill JJJ last night, which is only possible if JJJ was exactly mafia. Im not accusing her of TMI for the healers.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:59 pmYou know that me and Jay and possibly others also essentially came to the same possibility about two healers, one of each alignment, all before Alison did?Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:56 pmThis is Alison's second TMI post in the game. If Alison is mafia, then there are two hypothesis;Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:42 pmThis is only possible if Gavial scumread JJJ. Did Gavial scumread JJJ?Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:35 pmDo you think there was a decent chance Gavial would have killed JJJ on the date?Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:31 pmWhy should the mafia try to kill JJJ when there's a decent chance Gavial would kill him on the date anyway?Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:40 pm Martin, if JJJ flips mafia I'm having you hang.
There is no way JJJ does not get killed by mafia last night when they have the chance, I'm telling you this as someone whose very effective at being a wolf, I kill loud voices with thread clout over claimed roles, I would have killed JJJ last night after watching that EoD, no questions asked.
The only way JJJ does not die is if he is Mafia.
Why?
1) There is a 3rd Party poisoner and two healers, one from mafia and one from town.
or
2) There are two poisoners, one mafia aligned and one town aligned and a town healer and Alison was fake poisoned to spew her town. Maybe.
It's Alison the crazy gambit type? The problem with this second one is that... there are no two poisoned players announced, anywhere.
Either way. Martin and Hawk claims gotta be resolved and I'm inclined to yeet Hawkt not only for contradicting claims, but for her terrible EoD1 vote as well.
Call me crazy or mad set up speccing all you want.
Why is it TMI for her, but not us?
Did you see my post to Hawk? I asked her some questions and brought up some things that don’t make sense to me. Can you make sense of my concerns?orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:51 pm I'm kind of flipping back and forth between current day and reading back
My thoughts on the healer thing is that I don't see any reason we can't have multiple healers when we now know that there have been multiple poisons, that obviously doesn't mean anything for the alignment of each one so that's an important thing to remember
The one thing that sticks out is 1-shot and 2-shot claims. I have no real reason for thinking this but I think they would both be 1 or both be 2 OR are different Alignments if both real. It just seems kinda random to give town a 1 shot and a 2 shot of the same role instead of just two 1 shots or a 3 shot. Maybe it's my ocd lol
Anyway I'm more concern with Gnome and Mac at the current times
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:58 pmYah except i dont know you, tnis is the first time i play with you, so i dont know how great or bad you are.
Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:49 am The way nutella pushes Owner is very bad. nutella has a stubbornness and conviction when she is town that is not present in her push of Owner. I believe she wants the thread to see her pushing Owner but without actually lending bite to the push. Furthermore when she came under heavy fire she immediately amplified the theatricality of her Owner push ("say something game related or die"). But when an alternative push that isn't Owner comes up (Lost Monkey) she jumps straight onto it, while also winking and nodding at the suggestion that LoMo has TMI'd Owner to be town.
I think they are very compatible as buddies. You can call this preflip association if you want, but both of them have been individually scummy and nutella's progression on Owner doesn't make sense.
And?Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:02 pmGuillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:58 pmYah except i dont know you, tnis is the first time i play with you, so i dont know how great or bad you are.Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:49 am The way nutella pushes Owner is very bad. nutella has a stubbornness and conviction when she is town that is not present in her push of Owner. I believe she wants the thread to see her pushing Owner but without actually lending bite to the push. Furthermore when she came under heavy fire she immediately amplified the theatricality of her Owner push ("say something game related or die"). But when an alternative push that isn't Owner comes up (Lost Monkey) she jumps straight onto it, while also winking and nodding at the suggestion that LoMo has TMI'd Owner to be town.
I think they are very compatible as buddies. You can call this preflip association if you want, but both of them have been individually scummy and nutella's progression on Owner doesn't make sense.
Who? I'd like to take a look cause it sounds like people trying to discredit someone with a redcheck. Dont you think?
Nobody is discrediting Gavial's redcheck. In fact everyone who has said he was a loose cannon who might shoot JJJ or refuse to cooperate has voted the person he has a redcheck on.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:05 pmWho? I'd like to take a look cause it sounds like people trying to discredit someone with a redcheck. Dont you think?
I think they think they wasted a shot because Alison was already healed by Martin so they both healed the same person which would mean one shot was wasted.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:58 pmDid you see my post to Hawk? I asked her some questions and brought up some things that don’t make sense to me. Can you make sense of my concerns?orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:51 pm I'm kind of flipping back and forth between current day and reading back
My thoughts on the healer thing is that I don't see any reason we can't have multiple healers when we now know that there have been multiple poisons, that obviously doesn't mean anything for the alignment of each one so that's an important thing to remember
The one thing that sticks out is 1-shot and 2-shot claims. I have no real reason for thinking this but I think they would both be 1 or both be 2 OR are different Alignments if both real. It just seems kinda random to give town a 1 shot and a 2 shot of the same role instead of just two 1 shots or a 3 shot. Maybe it's my ocd lol
Anyway I'm more concern with Gnome and Mac at the current times
And now you are getting overly defensive and insult me.Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:06 pmNobody is discrediting Gavial's redcheck. In fact everyone who has said he was a loose cannon who might shoot JJJ or refuse to cooperate has voted the person he has a redcheck on.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:05 pmWho? I'd like to take a look cause it sounds like people trying to discredit someone with a redcheck. Dont you think?
You need to put down the crack pipe.
Honestly, I'm not sure. There were claims that Hawk was carrying the scum kill but she was blocked. So I'm not sure what to believe right now.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:41 pmDo you believe Hawk’s claim? (Did I miss where you talked about this?)Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:39 pmMy town pocket. (the other pocket is just for food storage.) Thank you for pointing it out.Dana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:36 pmThe town pocket...? But not yours?Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:30 pmI left snacks for you in the town pocket. I hope that you enjoyed them!
I also expressed something that was essentially the same as that.
Why?
I have another possible explanation for the lack of a kill on Night 1. It is equally likely as Gavial blocking Hawk from killing JJJ.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.
The only active explanation available for the lack of a Night 1 kill is hawkataine.
You, Nanook, are lock town. Don't ever let anyone say differently, even if I'm... you know if things don't...NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 pm Ok Jay is lock town, no arguments allowed
This man does not represent me.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:59 pm I wanna ask the healer to not heal LongCon. We need to solve that slot
It seems unlikely that the poisoner can poison every night, and there's only one 1-shot healer though, right? That's not very balanced.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:24 pm It seems pretty unlikely theres two healers doesn't it
No, absolutely not, I don't agree with that. I still have a lot to give.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:27 pm Also I think it's best that Long Con pass on to the next world. I appreciate you @Long Con, it's just about coming to a solve. If you can't be healed anyway then you can leave with the heroic reads I know you bear deep within.
Why would Hawk claim hawkward healer at that time, after you already did? Is she scum with a cool plan, and just... couldn't... alter it in time before it hit the thread? She could have told any story... and being a healer isn't even a good fake story. It's *provable*. I think she's telling the truth.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?
I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.
Stop, go to bed or something.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:59 pm I almost never care about "testing claims" in role madness. If someone can find me a great alternative suspect then go for it. I also think it might be pro-town to let Long Con die.
I'll still take it. Hit me up wit' dat AstraZeneca goodness!Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:34 pm Oh, so like... probably... Hawk is actually a mafia 1-shot healer, and didn't use their shot yesterday on Alison so they still have it, and thought they might be able to clear themselves by healing LC today, but then if Hawk claimed 1-shot healer, there would have been serious questions about why he still had a shot left, so they had to claim 2-shot.
Just saw this and it actually makes a lot of sense to me in regard to my doubt about the shot discrepancySeanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:34 pm Oh, so like... probably... Hawk is actually a mafia 1-shot healer, and didn't use their shot yesterday on Alison so they still have it, and thought they might be able to clear themselves by healing LC today, but then if Hawk claimed 1-shot healer, there would have been serious questions about why he still had a shot left, so they had to claim 2-shot.
Does your possible explanation come with a lead on who is scum?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm First, I'm loving Guillo's sureness about how roles must work. I think his brain would explode if he looked at some of the past games here. Poisoners in my games aren't even fatal, I have specially refined poisons in store. Guillo, I don't know how things work where you're from, but there are no such rules about those roles here, and you need to toss those preconceptions out the window immediately, because they will not lead you to the truth here.
I have another possible explanation for the lack of a kill on Night 1. It is equally likely as Gavial blocking Hawk from killing JJJ.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:32 pm Anyway this is all moot. If I was town before Gavial died there's no reason I'm not still town. Let's solve.
The only active explanation available for the lack of a Night 1 kill is hawkataine.
You, Nanook, are lock town. Don't ever let anyone say differently, even if I'm... you know if things don't...NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 pm Ok Jay is lock town, no arguments allowed
You refer those jerks back to This Post, and remind them that you're lock town.
This man does not represent me.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:59 pm I wanna ask the healer to not heal LongCon. We need to solve that slot
It seems unlikely that the poisoner can poison every night, and there's only one 1-shot healer though, right? That's not very balanced.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:24 pm It seems pretty unlikely theres two healers doesn't it
I actually like the theory that the poisoner is 3p, and the mafia and town each have a healer. However, it makes far more sense for the mafia to have the one-shot, and the town to have the two-shot.
If @hawkataine would please heal me today, it's very likely that she is town.
No, absolutely not, I don't agree with that. I still have a lot to give.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:27 pm Also I think it's best that Long Con pass on to the next world. I appreciate you @Long Con, it's just about coming to a solve. If you can't be healed anyway then you can leave with the heroic reads I know you bear deep within.
And I don't trust your date story nearly as much as most of these people seem to.
Why would Hawk claim hawkward healer at that time, after you already did? Is she scum with a cool plan, and just... couldn't... alter it in time before it hit the thread? She could have told any story... and being a healer isn't even a good fake story. It's *provable*. I think she's telling the truth.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:55 pm......Are people going to ignore the fact that Hawk is claiming 2-shot healer and the easiest way to test this is to see if Long Con dies or not?
I bet my slot that Long Con dies. I strongly believe my 1-shot capability implies there's no fake poisons. And since the only other Healer claim is Hawk at this point, I think that fact is even more likely. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, If you somehow believe Hawk (or just simply think I'm not town) then the correct action here is to delete me a day later.
Stop, go to bed or something.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 5:59 pm I almost never care about "testing claims" in role madness. If someone can find me a great alternative suspect then go for it. I also think it might be pro-town to let Long Con die.
I'll still take it. Hit me up wit' dat AstraZeneca goodness!Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:34 pm Oh, so like... probably... Hawk is actually a mafia 1-shot healer, and didn't use their shot yesterday on Alison so they still have it, and thought they might be able to clear themselves by healing LC today, but then if Hawk claimed 1-shot healer, there would have been serious questions about why he still had a shot left, so they had to claim 2-shot.
Well, I'm trying to stay positive, but I guess you're right. I gave someone a bulletproof vest on Night 1.
Now I just need to figure out which of you is my true love.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:34 pm So like...
We have two claimed watchers (allcrab/LoMo)
We have one claimed gift giver and two claimed gift recievers (Kito->Guillo, ???->Sloon)
We have a dead roleblocker who couldn't have roleblocked last night and someone claiming they were roleblocked (Gav-> Hawk, ??->Sloonei).
We are in a game where the theme is a 2-person date.
We are almost assurely almost all twinzies.
There are almost assuredly two healers, and I strongly guess one is mafia. Hawk, I totally believe your claim... well for the most part.
Well im glad he proved you and JJJ wrong.
Correct. OR that person still has the vest, and hawk tried to kill JJJ.
Well then, our path forward is clear. We shoot the person you gave the vest to and see if they die. This is the strategy with the most +EV, right?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:51 pmCorrect. OR that person still has the vest, and hawk tried to kill JJJ.
It's... the only way... *slowly raises gun with blank expressionless face*Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:53 pmWell then, our path forward is clear. We shoot the person you gave the vest to and see if they die. This is the strategy with the most +EV, right?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:51 pmCorrect. OR that person still has the vest, and hawk tried to kill JJJ.
I have been waiting for my one true love, but right now, I don't have a clue. All I know is that my true love is out there and seems to be shy.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:38 pmNow I just need to figure out which of you is my true love.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:34 pm So like...
We have two claimed watchers (allcrab/LoMo)
We have one claimed gift giver and two claimed gift recievers (Kito->Guillo, ???->Sloon)
We have a dead roleblocker who couldn't have roleblocked last night and someone claiming they were roleblocked (Gav-> Hawk, ??->Sloonei).
We are in a game where the theme is a 2-person date.
We are almost assurely almost all twinzies.
There are almost assuredly two healers, and I strongly guess one is mafia. Hawk, I totally believe your claim... well for the most part.
???????Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:56 pmIt's... the only way... *slowly raises gun with blank expressionless face*Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:53 pmWell then, our path forward is clear. We shoot the person you gave the vest to and see if they die. This is the strategy with the most +EV, right?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:51 pmCorrect. OR that person still has the vest, and hawk tried to kill JJJ.
Whaddya think of my very first post in the game?Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:08 pmI have been waiting for my one true love, but right now, I don't have a clue. All I know is that my true love is out there and seems to be shy.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:38 pmNow I just need to figure out which of you is my true love.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:34 pm So like...
We have two claimed watchers (allcrab/LoMo)
We have one claimed gift giver and two claimed gift recievers (Kito->Guillo, ???->Sloon)
We have a dead roleblocker who couldn't have roleblocked last night and someone claiming they were roleblocked (Gav-> Hawk, ??->Sloonei).
We are in a game where the theme is a 2-person date.
We are almost assurely almost all twinzies.
There are almost assuredly two healers, and I strongly guess one is mafia. Hawk, I totally believe your claim... well for the most part.
The more people tell me to not look into that, the more i will because of the resistance.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm First, I'm loving Guillo's sureness about how roles must work. I think his brain would explode if he looked at some of the past games here. Poisoners in my games aren't even fatal, I have specially refined poisons in store. Guillo, I don't know how things work where you're from, but there are no such rules about those roles here, and you need to toss those preconceptions out the window immediately, because they will not lead you to the truth here
Guillo, under no circumstances should you admit to being mafia if you are mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:12 pmThe more people tell me to not look into that, the more i will because of the resistance.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm First, I'm loving Guillo's sureness about how roles must work. I think his brain would explode if he looked at some of the past games here. Poisoners in my games aren't even fatal, I have specially refined poisons in store. Guillo, I don't know how things work where you're from, but there are no such rules about those roles here, and you need to toss those preconceptions out the window immediately, because they will not lead you to the truth here
Im like a rebellious kid, the more you tell me no, the more i will do it.
This is just one time though, you have to like... keep doing it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:16 pmGuillo, under no circumstances should you admit to being mafia if you are mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:12 pmThe more people tell me to not look into that, the more i will because of the resistance.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm First, I'm loving Guillo's sureness about how roles must work. I think his brain would explode if he looked at some of the past games here. Poisoners in my games aren't even fatal, I have specially refined poisons in store. Guillo, I don't know how things work where you're from, but there are no such rules about those roles here, and you need to toss those preconceptions out the window immediately, because they will not lead you to the truth here
Im like a rebellious kid, the more you tell me no, the more i will do it.
No. Guillo, you absolutely cannot claim mafia if you are mafia.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:20 pm Guillotine you do whatever you like. It’s a free thread.
It's not an order, I just thought you'd like to make decisions based on reality.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:12 pmThe more people tell me to not look into that, the more i will because of the resistance.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm First, I'm loving Guillo's sureness about how roles must work. I think his brain would explode if he looked at some of the past games here. Poisoners in my games aren't even fatal, I have specially refined poisons in store. Guillo, I don't know how things work where you're from, but there are no such rules about those roles here, and you need to toss those preconceptions out the window immediately, because they will not lead you to the truth here
Im like a rebellious kid, the more you tell me no, the more i will do it.
"You do you" as the kids say.Step 1: don't yeet her, I think she's town. If it were my decision, that's the decision I'd make. I believe her story and I have a very reasonable alibi for her.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:15 pm @Long Con what do you think should be the way forward with respect to hawkataine?
[VOTE: Martin] aubergineLong Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:27 pmIt's not an order, I just thought you'd like to make decisions based on reality.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:12 pmThe more people tell me to not look into that, the more i will because of the resistance.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:24 pm First, I'm loving Guillo's sureness about how roles must work. I think his brain would explode if he looked at some of the past games here. Poisoners in my games aren't even fatal, I have specially refined poisons in store. Guillo, I don't know how things work where you're from, but there are no such rules about those roles here, and you need to toss those preconceptions out the window immediately, because they will not lead you to the truth here
Im like a rebellious kid, the more you tell me no, the more i will do it.
Step 1: don't yeet her, I think she's town. If it were my decision, that's the decision I'd make. I believe her story and I have a very reasonable alibi for her.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:15 pm @Long Con what do you think should be the way forward with respect to hawkataine?
The user will not know if this vest is used up.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:33 pm Armorsmith
Role Description:
The Armorsmith may each night give a player a Bulletproof vest. The vest will protect the target from one kill, and the target will be informed that they received the vest (and also when they lose it). The Armorsmith may not self-target.
Notes:
To be clear, the vest will not protect the receiver from being lynched. The Armorsmith is often not allowed to target the same person on consecutive nights - and sometimes they are not even allowed to ever target the same person twice. Other common ways of limiting this role's power is to only allow one active vest to be in play at any time, or restricting the Armorsmith to only being allowed to give out one vest per game.
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