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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:14 pm
by G-Man
Flavor has been added to the Night 2 post.
Mmm, flavor.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:14 pm
by Hally
fine nook town because yea he probably just is
kill 112/lc/wilgy/epi in some order. 2/3 of them are mafia
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:14 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Yeah I’m having a rough stretch tbh
But one misclear that I admitted might be a misclear isn’t so bad tbh
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:22 pm
by Epignosis
By my count, 112 had more exchanges with our dearly departed friend Tony than anyone else.
If anyone should have the encouragement and excitement to parse Tony's posts, it should be 112.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:26 pm
by Hally
assuming the poe of 112/lc/epi/wilgy is correct
epi is hard unaligned from lc and 112 so if he’s mafia it could only be with wilgy, which is actually possible because he’s tried to shield wilgy in weird ways
lc and 112 are also unaligned with each other if iirc? idr if they have any unalignment with wilgy though
i think possible worlds just based on this are
tony/epi/wilgy
tony/lc/wilgy
tony/112/wilgy
tony/112/lc IF 112/lc are doing some distancing
but like, i think we should just kill wilgy?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:27 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:26 pm
assuming the poe of 112/lc/epi/wilgy is correct
epi is hard unaligned from lc and 112 so if he’s mafia it could only be with wilgy, which is actually possible because he’s tried to shield wilgy in weird ways
lc and 112 are also unaligned with each other if iirc? idr if they have any unalignment with wilgy though
i think possible worlds just based on this are
tony/epi/wilgy
tony/lc/wilgy
tony/112/wilgy
tony/112/lc IF 112/lc are doing some distancing
but like, i think we should just kill wilgy?
"he's tried to shield Wilgy in weird ways"
I stated an opinion. That's it.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:28 pm
by Hally
wilgy/tony have weird af interactions. like can everyone just read through wilgy’s iso looking specifically at tony stuff and tell me what you think. because i honestly cannot tell if the interactions are weird because they’re w/w or so weird that they cant be w/w
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:27 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:26 pm
assuming the poe of 112/lc/epi/wilgy is correct
epi is hard unaligned from lc and 112 so if he’s mafia it could only be with wilgy, which is actually possible because he’s tried to shield wilgy in weird ways
lc and 112 are also unaligned with each other if iirc? idr if they have any unalignment with wilgy though
i think possible worlds just based on this are
tony/epi/wilgy
tony/lc/wilgy
tony/112/wilgy
tony/112/lc IF 112/lc are doing some distancing
but like, i think we should just kill wilgy?
"he's tried to shield Wilgy in weird ways"
I stated an opinion. That's it.
you had weird logic for trying to clear wilgy that didn’t make sense/could be contrived imo
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:28 pm
wilgy/tony have weird af interactions. like can everyone just read through wilgy’s iso looking specifically at tony stuff and tell me what you think. because i honestly cannot tell if the interactions are weird because they’re w/w or so weird that they cant be w/w
You're better than this.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:31 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:27 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:26 pm
assuming the poe of 112/lc/epi/wilgy is correct
epi is hard unaligned from lc and 112 so if he’s mafia it could only be with wilgy, which is actually possible because he’s tried to shield wilgy in weird ways
lc and 112 are also unaligned with each other if iirc? idr if they have any unalignment with wilgy though
i think possible worlds just based on this are
tony/epi/wilgy
tony/lc/wilgy
tony/112/wilgy
tony/112/lc IF 112/lc are doing some distancing
but like, i think we should just kill wilgy?
"he's tried to shield Wilgy in weird ways"
I stated an opinion. That's it.
you had weird logic for trying to clear wilgy that didn’t make sense/could be contrived imo
I never tried to "clear Wilgy."
I stated an opinion about Wilgy.
If you want to call that contrived, then be my guest.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:34 pm
by Epignosis
Fucking yawn.
Now I have to go through Hally's posts with regard to TSP.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:35 pm
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:28 pm
wilgy/tony have weird af interactions. like can everyone just read through wilgy’s iso looking specifically at tony stuff and tell me what you think. because i honestly cannot tell if the interactions are weird because they’re w/w or so weird that they cant be w/w
You're better than this.
clearly not
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:37 pm
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:27 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:26 pm
assuming the poe of 112/lc/epi/wilgy is correct
epi is hard unaligned from lc and 112 so if he’s mafia it could only be with wilgy, which is actually possible because he’s tried to shield wilgy in weird ways
lc and 112 are also unaligned with each other if iirc? idr if they have any unalignment with wilgy though
i think possible worlds just based on this are
tony/epi/wilgy
tony/lc/wilgy
tony/112/wilgy
tony/112/lc IF 112/lc are doing some distancing
but like, i think we should just kill wilgy?
"he's tried to shield Wilgy in weird ways"
I stated an opinion. That's it.
you had weird logic for trying to clear wilgy that didn’t make sense/could be contrived imo
I never tried to "clear Wilgy."
I stated an opinion about Wilgy.
If you want to call that contrived, then be my guest.
your opinion was that wilgy was town. that’s trying to clear him. you’re playing with semantics
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:37 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:28 pm
wilgy/tony have weird af interactions. like can everyone just read through wilgy’s iso looking specifically at tony stuff and tell me what you think. because i honestly cannot tell if the interactions are weird because they’re w/w or so weird that they cant be w/w
You're better than this.
clearly not
I don't think you're mafia anyhow. Your treatment of Tony looks honest. I'm fine with you.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 pm
by Epignosis
My advice to you would be to get some rest, come back refreshed, and exploit an exposed mafia member as you would.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 pm
by Hally
epi why do you care that i link you to wilgy if you think wilgy is town? or has your read changed?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:42 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 pm
epi why do you care that i link you to wilgy if you think wilgy is town? or has your read changed?
Because you have an exposed mafia member in Tony. Comparing me to Wilgy is Day 2 shit. Do better.
Hell, I defended Tony in one post if you want to go there. I don't understand why you're going elsewhere though.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:43 pm
by Epignosis
As for me, I'm confident 112 is mafia.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:47 pm
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:42 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 pm
epi why do you care that i link you to wilgy if you think wilgy is town? or has your read changed?
Because you have an exposed mafia member in Tony. Comparing me to Wilgy is Day 2 shit. Do better.
Hell, I defended Tony in one post if you want to go there. I don't understand why you're going elsewhere though.
i don’t understand what you object to. i took tony’s flip and created a poe of four that i believe contains both mafia. you and wilgy are in it. then i tried to think of possible teams assuming my poe is correct. you/wilgy is not a pair i can rule out based on your interactions with each other, and could even be w/w because i know you like to protect teammates if at all possible. so i stated that tony/you/wilgy is a world that i can see but i would always kill wilgy first. what is the issue with my process?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:48 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:42 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 pm
epi why do you care that i link you to wilgy if you think wilgy is town? or has your read changed?
Because you have an exposed mafia member in Tony. Comparing me to Wilgy is Day 2 shit. Do better.
Hell, I defended Tony in one post if you want to go there. I don't understand why you're going elsewhere though.
i don’t understand what you object to. i took tony’s flip and created a poe of four that i believe contains both mafia. you and wilgy are in it. then i tried to think of possible teams assuming my poe is correct. you/wilgy is not a pair i can rule out based on your interactions with each other, and could even be w/w because i know you like to protect teammates if at all possible. so i stated that tony/you/wilgy is a world that i can see but i would always kill wilgy first. what is the issue with my process?
Well honey I'll make it simple for you. Here is what I object to:
you and wilgy are in it.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:50 pm
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:42 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:39 pm
epi why do you care that i link you to wilgy if you think wilgy is town? or has your read changed?
Because you have an exposed mafia member in Tony. Comparing me to Wilgy is Day 2 shit. Do better.
Hell, I defended Tony in one post if you want to go there. I don't understand why you're going elsewhere though.
i don’t understand what you object to. i took tony’s flip and created a poe of four that i believe contains both mafia. you and wilgy are in it. then i tried to think of possible teams assuming my poe is correct. you/wilgy is not a pair i can rule out based on your interactions with each other, and could even be w/w because i know you like to protect teammates if at all possible. so i stated that tony/you/wilgy is a world that i can see but i would always kill wilgy first. what is the issue with my process?
Well honey I'll make it simple for you. Here is what I object to:
you and wilgy are in it.
do you believe the team is exactly tony/lc/112?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 pm
by Epignosis
I don't have a firm belief on an exact team. I don't do that.
I looked through 112's posts and found some pretty damning shit with regarding to Tony. That's where I am. If people want to disagree with what I found, there's a big post they can yell about.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:54 pm
by Epignosis
Again, my biggest problem with 112 is Tony died and 112 has clammed up. Nothing. Tony's death was unexpected, and 112 cannot bounce off a teammate. To me that's very telling.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
by 112
i haven't clammed up mfw
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
by 112
just busy with stuff
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 pm
I don't have a firm belief on an exact team. I don't do that.
I looked through 112's posts and found some pretty damning shit with regarding to Tony. That's where I am. If people want to disagree with what I found, there's a big post they can yell about.
but you scum read both 112 and lc, right?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:57 pm
by Epignosis
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
i haven't clammed up mfw
Great to hear.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:36 pm
You fools.
My mind is open. Why am I a fool?
I'm town.
Excellent. A mafia member has just been exposed. Where are you voting and why?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:58 pm
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 pm
I don't have a firm belief on an exact team. I don't do that.
I looked through 112's posts and found some pretty damning shit with regarding to Tony. That's where I am. If people want to disagree with what I found, there's a big post they can yell about.
but you scum read both 112 and lc, right?
If I said yes, of what significance is that to you?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:00 am
by 112
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:57 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
i haven't clammed up mfw
Great to hear.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:36 pm
You fools.
My mind is open. Why am I a fool?
I'm town.
Excellent. A mafia member has just been exposed. Where are you voting and why?
I don't know where I'm voting yet.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:02 am
by Epignosis
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:00 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:57 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
i haven't clammed up mfw
Great to hear.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:36 pm
You fools.
My mind is open. Why am I a fool?
I'm town.
Excellent. A mafia member has just been exposed. Where are you voting and why?
I don't know where I'm voting yet.
Par for the course then.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 am
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:58 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 pm
I don't have a firm belief on an exact team. I don't do that.
I looked through 112's posts and found some pretty damning shit with regarding to Tony. That's where I am. If people want to disagree with what I found, there's a big post they can yell about.
but you scum read both 112 and lc, right?
If I said yes, of what significance is that to you?
because 112 and lc are both in my poe so if they’re your two biggest scum reads i don’t get why you’re like “hally go to sleep and try again” and giving me a hard time about my poe as though you think im wildly off base
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 am
by Epignosis
Who is Tony's teammate? Find that out and vote there please.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:04 am
by 112
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 am
Who is Tony's teammate? Find that out and vote there please.
Why don't you do it for me?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:07 am
by Epignosis
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:58 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 pm
I don't have a firm belief on an exact team. I don't do that.
I looked through 112's posts and found some pretty damning shit with regarding to Tony. That's where I am. If people want to disagree with what I found, there's a big post they can yell about.
but you scum read both 112 and lc, right?
If I said yes, of what significance is that to you?
because 112 and lc are both in my poe so if they’re your two biggest scum reads i don’t get why you’re like “hally go to sleep and try again” and giving me a hard time about my poe as though you think im wildly off base
All I meant was "if you think I'm bad with Wilgy, try again tomorrow, because I'm not bad and you have Tony who was revealed as bad, so why are you comparing me with Wilgy?"
No, I don't think you're wildly off base.
I am sorry for the confusion there.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:07 am
by Epignosis
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 am
Who is Tony's teammate? Find that out and vote there please.
Why don't you do it for me?
Can't vote for you twice.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:07 am
by Hally
all i really want to hear from people is if there’s anyone in the following list who you don’t think should be clear:
poison
ash
arete
ted
nook
if you don’t object to these names as town, the game is essentially solved and the poe becomes 112/lc/wilgy/epi and you can even throw me in if you want
just focus on this
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:09 am
by Hally
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:07 am
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:58 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:51 pm
I don't have a firm belief on an exact team. I don't do that.
I looked through 112's posts and found some pretty damning shit with regarding to Tony. That's where I am. If people want to disagree with what I found, there's a big post they can yell about.
but you scum read both 112 and lc, right?
If I said yes, of what significance is that to you?
because 112 and lc are both in my poe so if they’re your two biggest scum reads i don’t get why you’re like “hally go to sleep and try again” and giving me a hard time about my poe as though you think im wildly off base
All I meant was "if you think I'm bad with Wilgy, try again tomorrow, because I'm not bad and you have Tony who was revealed as bad, so why are you comparing me with Wilgy?"
No, I don't think you're wildly off base.
I am sorry for the confusion there.
i don’t think you’re mafia with wilgy. or more accurately i think it’s one of a handful of possibilities but im not pushing you/wilgy as the exact world. im just considering it
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:13 am
by Epignosis
I'd destroy 112 and LC yes.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:13 am
by 112
I had Tony in my PoE yesterday. Epi's presenting a false narrative.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:15 am
by Epignosis
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:13 am
I had Tony in my PoE yesterday. Epi's presenting a false narrative.
Ouch.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:24 am
by Epignosis
112, who is mafia?
You've accused me but you haven't voted for me.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 2]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:34 am
by DrWilgy
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime succumbed to the virus.
He was Ilya Skoblin, an Russian intelligence agent in disguise as an escaped political prisoner.
It is now Day 3.
You have 48 hours to eliminate someone.
Hahahahahahahaha
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:36 am
by DrWilgy
Hally next.
Hally's indecision while TSP was the lead wagon is the scumtell. Hally waited until I proposed a yeet other than TSP to cling onto.
LETS GOOOOOO
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:43 am
by Hally
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:36 am
Hally next.
Hally's indecision while TSP was the lead wagon is the scumtell. Hally waited until I proposed a yeet other than TSP to cling onto.
LETS GOOOOOO
i don’t even know what you’re referring to with this but whatever
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:51 am
by tedxtr
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:50 pm
I CAUGHT A WOLF DAY ONE AND YOU PEOPLE DIDN’T BELIEVE ME
same
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:51 am
by tedxtr
[VOTE:
Nanook ] aubergine
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:55 am
by tedxtr
No wait
[VOTE:
Arete ] aubergine
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:59 am
by Hally
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:55 am
No wait
[VOTE:
Arete ] aubergine
no
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 2]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:59 am
by tedxtr
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:25 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:14 pm
Like why would Arete be nervous about a wolf read flipping town? Makes no sense, feels performative.
If you don't get the reasoning, then ask for it. TSP's defenders didn't even give a solid reason as to why he's town, they just said "lol this isn't TSP's scum game lol"
that's why I felt like her coming back at EoD was to defend either wilgy who got wagonned like crap or potentially TSP. I don't know the order of events.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:16 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:14 pm
Like why would Arete be nervous about a wolf read flipping town? Makes no sense, feels performative.
especially when people that are defending him don't give you anything to work with other than "this is his town meta"
I don't find it likely that a villager would drop their vote just because a bunch of nulls are saying he's town, I would be nervous if like TSP was a PR or something, but she had no reason to question her read there unless it was fake in the first place or she's trying to save someone.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:18 pm
I feel like Arete's EoD is very agenda driven and I'm waiting for thoughts.
ask yourselves, if you're in a position of being a villager, you have no idea why people are town reading someone, does it make sense for you that you'd be "scared" of your scum read flipping town when :
1) Nobody gives you a reason why
2) An hour ago you had no idea why they town read him
3) It's D1 and you only had a scum read for the entire phase
you don't think this points to an agenda at all?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 3]
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:01 am
by Hally
no