The Syndicate

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I should also note that I theorize Light passed his death note to Higuchi recently, which explains the lack of the last kill.

Why would Light want to do that?

FZ. wrote:And I'm still waiting for Bea to come in and reply to Boo's accusations and what he does with it.

I had forgotten about that. I'd like to see what goes on there as well.

To become invincible, and give someone else the kill responsibility. People have been theorizing for days on who would kill SVS and LC. Change the killer, change the kills, change the profile.

Elohcin wrote:I think FZ may be kira. She is my top suspect. I know I have said I have gone back and forth on her, but her posts this day phase really make be thing she may be kira. So...think for a minute. If you were kira and you got this info in the thread from L about someone being a kira sympathizer.....how would you react? She was ready to go jump right on me and follow L no matter what. BR too, now that I think about it. They both TALKED like they were ready to vote me right away. BUT...did they? No. B/c they are probably secretly thinking something like, "Well..what is she IS a kira sympathizer. I want to act like a detective and talk like I am ready to follow L's suggestions right off, but I will hold off voting for her just in case she really is a sympathizer. I will only vote her once others have decided it is best....better to blend."

So....FZ and Black Rock....I suspect them b/c of their reaction to L's thoughts.

lots of linki I'll read in a sec

My reaction? You mean I believe L might be telling the truth?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I should also note that I theorize Light passed his death note to Higuchi recently, which explains the lack of the last kill.

Why would Light want to do that?

FZ. wrote:And I'm still waiting for Bea to come in and reply to Boo's accusations and what he does with it.

I had forgotten about that. I'd like to see what goes on there as well.

To become invincible, and give someone else the kill responsibility. People have been theorizing for days on who would kill SVS and LC. Change the killer, change the kills, change the profile.

Oh, never thought of that. I'm having a real hard time keeping up with the dynamics of this game.

DH, why would you vote for me before I could even respond?

linki: I re-read what I posted and I believe my thoughts were conveyed clearly.

Elohcin wrote:I think FZ may be kira. She is my top suspect. I know I have said I have gone back and forth on her, but her posts this day phase really make be thing she may be kira. So...think for a minute. If you were kira and you got this info in the thread from L about someone being a kira sympathizer.....how would you react? She was ready to go jump right on me and follow L no matter what. BR too, now that I think about it. They both TALKED like they were ready to vote me right away. BUT...did they? No. B/c they are probably secretly thinking something like, "Well..what is she IS a kira sympathizer. I want to act like a detective and talk like I am ready to follow L's suggestions right off, but I will hold off voting for her just in case she really is a sympathizer. I will only vote her once others have decided it is best....better to blend."

So....FZ and Black Rock....I suspect them b/c of their reaction to L's thoughts.

lots of linki I'll read in a sec

You're funny.
Here is my post from earlier today.

FZ. wrote:I, for one, do not intend to ignore TH, because no matter his alignment, he's asking good questions, and I disagree with everyone saying he's doing counter productive things. The only thing he's doing that's problematic is his early voting, and we have too many players doing that.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If Epi wants to suspect me for that, haha, newsflash: Seems you're already suspicious of me, so whatever.

I have no idea what to make of this L thing, but since I wasn't feeling very good about Elo in the first place, this just adds to it. I have no problem voting for her, but if I find a better option, I'll go with that.
I'm still interested in what Bea has to say in reply to Boo. I'd like to see the exchange there.

Perfect fit to what you're saying...or not.
I've been suspicious of you before this day, and what I said is, L saying what he did just adds to it. How was I ready to follow L no matter what? I didn't vote right away because I never do unless I'm sure, and I like to weigh all options before I do.
This is a big fat NO U if I ever saw one

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I should also note that I theorize Light passed his death note to Higuchi recently, which explains the lack of the last kill.

Why would Light want to do that?

FZ. wrote:And I'm still waiting for Bea to come in and reply to Boo's accusations and what he does with it.

I had forgotten about that. I'd like to see what goes on there as well.

To become invincible, and give someone else the kill responsibility. People have been theorizing for days on who would kill SVS and LC. Change the killer, change the kills, change the profile.

That is indeed a good theory.

No one listens to my sage counsel that the best defense is a good offense.

Elohcin wrote:DH, why would you vote for me before I could even respond?

linki: I re-read what I posted and I believe my thoughts were conveyed clearly.

You've had ample opportunity to respond since the day began to the allegations against you. Until now (after I've prodded you a second time) your responses have been ho-hums, shrugs, and sighs.

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I should also note that I theorize Light passed his death note to Higuchi recently, which explains the lack of the last kill.

Why would Light want to do that?

FZ. wrote:And I'm still waiting for Bea to come in and reply to Boo's accusations and what he does with it.

I had forgotten about that. I'd like to see what goes on there as well.

To become invincible, and give someone else the kill responsibility. People have been theorizing for days on who would kill SVS and LC. Change the killer, change the kills, change the profile.

That is indeed a good theory.

What happens if they give up the kill? Do they only win together? Can one Kira accidentally kill another? What if the Kira targeted one of the other Kiras and that's why there's no kill?
Sorry for all the questions, but this game is a little overwhelming


linki: Good offense as in "good" not crappy, right?

thellama73 wrote:No one listens to my sage counsel that the best defense is a good offense.

Isn't being ignored just the worst? :P

I'm off to bed. Elo isn't doing anything to convince me she's not bad. Like I said, I'm still waiting to see what Bea has to say,but Elo is a genuine option for me

FZ. wrote: linki: Good offense as in "good" not crappy, right?

Yes, exactly. If people think you're bad from reading your posts, you can't convince them you're good by asking them to read those same posts. You have to build trust through your actions, specifically, finding and lynching baddies. Eloh's attack on you and Black Rock came across as halfhearted and desperate. I'm not buying it at all, although that doesn't mean I think you are good.

linki TH,

FZ. wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think FZ may be kira. She is my top suspect. I know I have said I have gone back and forth on her, but her posts this day phase really make be thing she may be kira. So...think for a minute. If you were kira and you got this info in the thread from L about someone being a kira sympathizer.....how would you react? She was ready to go jump right on me and follow L no matter what. BR too, now that I think about it. They both TALKED like they were ready to vote me right away. BUT...did they? No. B/c they are probably secretly thinking something like, "Well..what is she IS a kira sympathizer. I want to act like a detective and talk like I am ready to follow L's suggestions right off, but I will hold off voting for her just in case she really is a sympathizer. I will only vote her once others have decided it is best....better to blend."

So....FZ and Black Rock....I suspect them b/c of their reaction to L's thoughts.

lots of linki I'll read in a sec

You're funny.
Here is my post from earlier today.

FZ. wrote:I, for one, do not intend to ignore TH, because no matter his alignment, he's asking good questions, and I disagree with everyone saying he's doing counter productive things. The only thing he's doing that's problematic is his early voting, and we have too many players doing that.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If Epi wants to suspect me for that, haha, newsflash: Seems you're already suspicious of me, so whatever.

I have no idea what to make of this L thing, but since I wasn't feeling very good about Elo in the first place, this just adds to it. I have no problem voting for her, but if I find a better option, I'll go with that.
I'm still interested in what Bea has to say in reply to Boo. I'd like to see the exchange there.

Perfect fit to what you're saying...or not.
I've been suspicious of you before this day, and what I said is, L saying what he did just adds to it. How was I ready to follow L no matter what? I didn't vote right away because I never do unless I'm sure, and I like to weigh all options before I do.
This is a big fat NO U if I ever saw one

I am embarrassed FZ. I am so sorry. How I keep getting you and Zomb mixed up I don't know. It was her and Black rock that were ready to come at me. Maybe its the Z, I don't know.

thellama73 wrote:No one listens to my sage counsel that the best defense is a good offense.

Still waiting on part 2 of your sage counsel, though, on how to possibly point at a better suspect when you are the most likely, worst looking, most damning suspect of all (especially early in the game, I might add, though not the case here).

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I should also note that I theorize Light passed his death note to Higuchi recently, which explains the lack of the last kill.

Why would Light want to do that?

FZ. wrote:And I'm still waiting for Bea to come in and reply to Boo's accusations and what he does with it.

I had forgotten about that. I'd like to see what goes on there as well.

To become invincible, and give someone else the kill responsibility. People have been theorizing for days on who would kill SVS and LC. Change the killer, change the kills, change the profile.

That is indeed a good theory.

What happens if they give up the kill? Do they only win together? Can one Kira accidentally kill another? What if the Kira targeted one of the other Kiras and that's why there's no kill?
Sorry for all the questions, but this game is a little overwhelming

Light cannot be killed if Misa targets him with her DN.
Misa can be killed by Light, except if for more secrets on that or if they establish BTSC so that Light doesn't target her by accident.
Higuchi cannot be killed until receiving DN.
Mikami can be killed by anyone possessing a DN.

Ricochet wrote:

thellama73 wrote:No one listens to my sage counsel that the best defense is a good offense.

Still waiting on part 2 of your sage counsel, though, on how to possibly point at a better suspect when you are the most likely, worst looking, most damning suspect of all (especially early in the game, I might add, though not the case here).

You don't expect me to give away all my secrets, do you?

Elohcin wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think FZ may be kira. She is my top suspect. I know I have said I have gone back and forth on her, but her posts this day phase really make be thing she may be kira. So...think for a minute. If you were kira and you got this info in the thread from L about someone being a kira sympathizer.....how would you react? She was ready to go jump right on me and follow L no matter what. BR too, now that I think about it. They both TALKED like they were ready to vote me right away. BUT...did they? No. B/c they are probably secretly thinking something like, "Well..what is she IS a kira sympathizer. I want to act like a detective and talk like I am ready to follow L's suggestions right off, but I will hold off voting for her just in case she really is a sympathizer. I will only vote her once others have decided it is best....better to blend."

So....FZ and Black Rock....I suspect them b/c of their reaction to L's thoughts.

lots of linki I'll read in a sec

You're funny.
Here is my post from earlier today.

FZ. wrote:I, for one, do not intend to ignore TH, because no matter his alignment, he's asking good questions, and I disagree with everyone saying he's doing counter productive things. The only thing he's doing that's problematic is his early voting, and we have too many players doing that.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If Epi wants to suspect me for that, haha, newsflash: Seems you're already suspicious of me, so whatever.

I have no idea what to make of this L thing, but since I wasn't feeling very good about Elo in the first place, this just adds to it. I have no problem voting for her, but if I find a better option, I'll go with that.
I'm still interested in what Bea has to say in reply to Boo. I'd like to see the exchange there.

Perfect fit to what you're saying...or not.
I've been suspicious of you before this day, and what I said is, L saying what he did just adds to it. How was I ready to follow L no matter what? I didn't vote right away because I never do unless I'm sure, and I like to weigh all options before I do.
This is a big fat NO U if I ever saw one

I am embarrassed FZ. I am so sorry. How I keep getting you and Zomb mixed up I don't know. It was her and Black rock that were ready to come at me. Maybe its the Z, I don't know.

I think there is a difference with an initial reaction and the follow through don't you? Yes I had an initial reaction but I did not jump on it and have given you time to talk your way out of it. This doesn't make me feel better about you, seems like a desperate turn around on a simple reaction.

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

thellama73 wrote:No one listens to my sage counsel that the best defense is a good offense.

Still waiting on part 2 of your sage counsel, though, on how to possibly point at a better suspect when you are the most likely, worst looking, most damning suspect of all (especially early in the game, I might add, though not the case here).

You don't expect me to give away all my secrets, do you?

Nope, only to refrain from giving advices to players who can't use them successfully one bit.

Ricochet wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

thellama73 wrote:No one listens to my sage counsel that the best defense is a good offense.

Still waiting on part 2 of your sage counsel, though, on how to possibly point at a better suspect when you are the most likely, worst looking, most damning suspect of all (especially early in the game, I might add, though not the case here).

You don't expect me to give away all my secrets, do you?

Nope, only to refrain from giving advices to players who can't use them successfully one bit.

Never gonna happen.

The shitty thing is that if- if- someone convinces others to vote elsewhere today, and that lynch yields unfavorable results, the mentality will be "See, we should have lynched Eloh." And then the eye will be on the person who convinced others to vote elsewhere.

Very little incentive for anyone to make a big push elsewhere today.

I like the case on Made and think the best option for Eloh to defend herself and survive this lynch would be to circle the wagons on that front.

One more defense I thought of just now. Most of you know how I play Mafia. Don't you think if I were a kira sympathizer I would play it cool and quiet like so many other players are in this game? Especially since as a kira sympathizer I would at least start out with no BTSC. Why would I be so vocal if I were not a detective. Talking only puts attention onto myself.

linki, so why did you vote me already, DH?

Epi's right. Please don't be afraid NOT to vote me just b/c you think that seems to be the easy way out.

Elohcin wrote:One more defense I thought of just now. Most of you know how I play Mafia. Don't you think if I were a kira sympathizer I would play it cool and quiet like so many other players are in this game? Especially since as a kira sympathizer I would at least start out with no BTSC. Why would I be so vocal if I were not a detective. Talking only puts attention onto myself.

linki, so why did you vote me already, DH?

Because I like the case on you as well.

Epignosis wrote:The shitty thing is that if- if- someone convinces others to vote elsewhere today, and that lynch yields unfavorable results, the mentality will be "See, we should have lynched Eloh." And then the eye will be on the person who convinced others to vote elsewhere.

Very little incentive for anyone to make a big push elsewhere today.

Fortunately for me, that didn't happen after Day 2.

Elohcin wrote:One more defense I thought of just now. Most of you know how I play Mafia. Don't you think if I were a kira sympathizer I would play it cool and quiet like so many other players are in this game? Especially since as a kira sympathizer I would at least start out with no BTSC. Why would I be so vocal if I were not a detective. Talking only puts attention onto myself.

linki, so why did you vote me already, DH?

I think you have been playing it cool and quiet. You only have two pages of posts, and most are non-controversial.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The shitty thing is that if- if- someone convinces others to vote elsewhere today, and that lynch yields unfavorable results, the mentality will be "See, we should have lynched Eloh." And then the eye will be on the person who convinced others to vote elsewhere.

Very little incentive for anyone to make a big push elsewhere today.

Fortunately for me, that didn't happen after Day 2.

L also hadn't just called you out.

FZ. wrote:And I'm still waiting for Bea to come in and reply to Boo's accusations and what he does with it.

I worked a 15 hour day yesderday and started.today @.7.am too. I responded.to his.first.post. should be.easy.enough.to.find. I'm still at work and will be for quite some time. I don't think a made up scenario is at all likechanneling svs though for what its worth. If there is something I have not addressed please let me know and I will attend to it as soon as I can - pizza land is always busy on the weekend and I'm at the tail end of a record breaking week

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DharmaHelper wrote:

Elohcin wrote:One more defense I thought of just now. Most of you know how I play Mafia. Don't you think if I were a kira sympathizer I would play it cool and quiet like so many other players are in this game? Especially since as a kira sympathizer I would at least start out with no BTSC. Why would I be so vocal if I were not a detective. Talking only puts attention onto myself.

linki, so why did you vote me already, DH?

Because I like the case on you as well.

Can you tell me what this CASE you are talking about is? No one has built a case against me. I'd call it an accusation, not a case.

thellama73 wrote:
I think you have been playing it cool and quiet. You only have two pages of posts, and most are non-controversial.

I have to disagree. I have been more talkative than most, I believe. I am now going to go back an see who has been quieter than me to see if I am right.

^Pissing matches never make you look better. I should know.

Do you think Elohcin is innocent, Epi?

AceofSpaces - 69 posts
Bass_the_Clever - 32 posts
bea - 128 posts
Black Rock - 86 posts
boo - 194 posts
Boomslang - 36 posts
DharmaHelper - 461 posts
DisgruntledPorcupine - 29 posts
Elohcin - 84 posts
Epignosis - 396 posts
FZ. - 230 posts
juliets - 87 posts
Made - 71 posts
Matahari - 66 posts
Metalmarsh89 - 441 posts
Ricochet - 294 posts
Russtifinko - 25 posts
Spacedaisy - 25 posts
thellama73 - 409 posts
Turnip Head - 570 posts
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1 - not sure how to do this here....but zeek - 60 posts and Roxy - 5 posts
Zomberella12 - 292 posts


do with this what you will. I have posted more than nine others.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

Elohcin wrote:I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

An anyway....I think I might win. I drink like 60-70 ounces of water a day

AceofSpaces wrote:Do you think Elohcin is innocent, Epi?

I don't think she's bad, and even if she is, she's not a direct threat or of central importance (according to L).

Part of her defense is literally listing how many times people have posted. That's one rank above copying into the thread what was in this morning's newspaper.

Elohcin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

An anyway....I think I might win. I drink like 60-70 ounces of water a day

Um...do you know whom you married?

Elohcin wrote:AceofSpaces - 69 posts
Bass_the_Clever - 32 posts
bea - 128 posts
Black Rock - 86 posts
boo - 194 posts
Boomslang - 36 posts
DharmaHelper - 461 posts
DisgruntledPorcupine - 29 posts
Elohcin - 84 posts
Epignosis - 396 posts
FZ. - 230 posts
juliets - 87 posts
Made - 71 posts
Matahari - 66 posts
Metalmarsh89 - 441 posts
Ricochet - 294 posts
Russtifinko - 25 posts
Spacedaisy - 25 posts
thellama73 - 409 posts
Turnip Head - 570 posts
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1 - not sure how to do this here....but zeek - 60 posts and Roxy - 5 posts
Zomberella12 - 292 posts


do with this what you will. I have posted more than nine others.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

An anyway....I think I might win. I drink like 60-70 ounces of water a day

Um...do you know whom you married?

I thought you meant a pissing match with llama. And are you insulting me about posting number of posts

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

An anyway....I think I might win. I drink like 60-70 ounces of water a day

Um...do you know whom you married?

I thought you meant a pissing match with llama. And are you insulting me about posting number of posts

No, I meant a pissing match with everybody else in this. Nobody really cares how many times you posted. I mean, Jesus, look at Russ.

well...then players are just trying to pick me apart when there is nothing really there. I don't know how to come at that. Do I yell and scream and curse you all? Of course not. If I were in your situation, I would have to think long and hard. But, please people....don't call me out on things that really aren't there just because finding a reason to vote for me is what is best for you personally. Think about what is good for the whole group of detectives.

Epignosis wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:Do you think Elohcin is innocent, Epi?

I don't think she's bad, and even if she is, she's not a direct threat or of central importance (according to L).

Part of her defense is literally listing how many times people have posted. That's one rank above copying into the thread what was in this morning's newspaper.

And about 4 ranks above copying into the thread the potential English words for ~~~~~.

MM, why did you say that DH's theory about the Death Note being passed was surprising?

Turnip Head wrote:MM, why did you say that DH's theory about the Death Note being passed was surprising?

I don't think Light would give up the kill if he wasn't under pressure. Sure he would become invincible, but he loses control of achieving his win condition.

Aside from Made or maybe FZ, I can't think of anyone who's received that kind of pressure lately.

I've sure been under that kind of pressure recently. Odd that you would leave me out of that category.

Turnip Head wrote:I've sure been under that kind of pressure recently. Odd that you would leave me out of that category.

You would have to be Light. I don't think you are.

Why not, if I may ask?

Turnip Head wrote:Why not, if I may ask?

Because Light is probably sitting back and playing from the sidelines. You are not.

Can you think of a good reason why Light would want to give up the notebook (unless he had to because he was under a lot of pressure)?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Why not, if I may ask?

Because Light is probably sitting back and playing from the sidelines. You are not.

Who fits that profile, in your opinion?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Can you think of a good reason why Light would want to give up the notebook (unless he had to because he was under a lot of pressure)?

No.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Why not, if I may ask?

Because Light is probably sitting back and playing from the sidelines. You are not.

Who fits that profile, in your opinion?

AceofSpaces
bea
Black Rock
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
juliets
Made
Matahari
Ricochet
Spacedaisy
zeek