The Syndicate

Dom, why did you lie about me being near the Tribunal?

Why did you allow LoRab to be lynched?
Why did you lie to Matt?
Why didn't you want the Master Thief role to be revealed?
Why didn't you vote Turnip Head Day 13?
Why didn't you vote Turnip Head on the Night 11 poll? http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 47#p205695
Why didn't you vote Timmer Day 10?
Why haven't you named a single Circle suspect unless you're being forced to?
Why haven't you actively pursued those suspects?
Name 1 single Circle suspect still alive.
Name 2. From your POV, there would need to be 2 alive.

You're bad. Sorsha recruited you.

Dom wrote:You have been linked to two NKs. You ignore the fact that there was an attempted NK on me by the Circle. You ignore that SVS is obviously bad. You are likely bad as well and I refuse to let you continue to manipulate this thread to your needs.

I haven't ignored any of this. You ignore the fact that there was a successful NK on me by the Cabal. I'll say it once again. The Circle "tried to NK you" because they likely had no other targets, knowing you'd survive. I've been travelling with SVS for the last couple of phases. I was with her when she tried to NK fingersplints, i was with her when she NK'd Sorsha. I am not with her atm. I told her to meet up at a certain square today, but i ran the other way. I assume this is why she hasn't voted for you yet today. I know she wants you dead. How can you say i ignore SVS is obviously bad when i've addressed that very thing in almost every other post?

Seriously, i can't be the only one seeing this. Who else is the remaining Circle?

Draconus wrote:Quad post!!

@Host - I'm okay with going to 24 hour days now if Golden is. I thought today would require more discussion

Me too. Sorry, this is my only post today. About to head down to the parents for Christmas, but I have nothing else to add but what I have anyway.

@ LC: I'm voting no against 24h. This Day needs all the discussion it can get.

Tranq wrote:@ LC: I'm voting no against 24h. This Day needs all the discussion it can get.

I'm fine with this, too.

this thread makes me sad

Tranq wrote:Dom, why did you lie about me being near the Tribunal?

Why did you allow LoRab to be lynched?

You or SVS know the answer to that question and to pose it to me is both misleading and manipulative.

Tranq wrote:Why did you lie to Matt?

I didn't lie to Matt. I never lied to Matt. Matt and I shared BTSC around Day 5. I had not yet been recruited. Matt tinfoiled his way into a total stinkhole of a situation.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you want the Master Thief role to be revealed?

I wanted the Trickster to be revealed. I didn't think LC would so obviously manipulate those results too.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you vote Turnip Head Day 13?

Because I wanted SVS... someone who I am 100% positive is bad... out of the game.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you vote Turnip Head on the Night 11 poll? http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 47#p205695

Because I wasn't suspicious of TH-- I was wrong about that, but I wasn't suspicious of him.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you vote Timmer Day 10?

I missed the vote because I work retail + Thanksgiving. Read my posts, please, Tranq.

Tranq wrote:Why haven't you named a single Circle suspect unless you're being forced to?

Until quite recently I didn't classify my suspicions by team. I have had plenty of suspicions that I wasn't certain about which team they were on. FS is a good example of this.

Tranq wrote:Why haven't you actively pursued those suspects?

Becaues I am not sure about them but am about SVS-- something you keep conveniently forgetting I am saying.

Tranq wrote:Name 1 single Circle suspect still alive.

FS.
I have done this so many times. Get a grip.

Tranq wrote:Name 2. From your POV, there would need to be 2 alive.

No there doesn't, but okay. Interesting that you talk about it like there isn't.
Perhaps it's you-- I don't really know. You and SVS are bad and I'm so done with being complacent about both of your total manipulations of the thread.

Tranq wrote:

Dom wrote:You have been linked to two NKs. You ignore the fact that there was an attempted NK on me by the Circle. You ignore that SVS is obviously bad. You are likely bad as well and I refuse to let you continue to manipulate this thread to your needs.

I haven't ignored any of this. You ignore the fact that there was a successful NK on me by the Cabal. I'll say it once again. The Circle "tried to NK you" because they likely had no other targets, knowing you'd survive. I've been travelling with SVS for the last couple of phases. I was with her when she tried to NK fingersplints, i was with her when she NK'd Sorsha. I am not with her atm. I told her to meet up at a certain square today, but i ran the other way. I assume this is why she hasn't voted for you yet today. I know she wants you dead. How can you say i ignore SVS is obviously bad when i've addressed that very thing in almost every other post?

If you know SVS is bad, then why aren't you lynching her? Right. Your secret deal that everyone should just trust you on-- riiiiiiiiight.

Lynch Tranq. He was rezzed for reasons unknown. He is 100% bad. He thinks the Circle wasted a NK on me on a night I know they could have targeted LoRab becaues she was on the same square as me. They had other targets people, Tranq is just trying to paint me into a role I am not. I think my relationship with Lorab is plain to see.

You think Splints is the last Circle?

And I would not describe your game to date as"complacent".

You & Sorsha killed Metalmarsh. I KNOW she did. KNOW. I believe you did as well. Tranq may be bad, but the Circle killed Metalmarsh for NO REASON.

*Dom*

Dom, if you are SO SURE a role is going to turn out bad, and you have been pointing & screaming "TRICKSTER'" and "BAD BAD BAD BAD" at me for days, yet you needed to see the role revealed? And when it came up not bad, you did not believe it anyhow. The HOST is being manipulative now,not just me, but the HOST.

Such Bullshit.And you accuse me of being full of shit. Lol.

Maybe LC is the last member of the Circle.

S~V~S wrote:You think Splints is the last Circle?

And I would not describe your game to date as"complacent".

You & Sorsha killed Metalmarsh. I KNOW she did. KNOW. I believe you did as well. Tranq may be bad, but the Circle killed Metalmarsh for NO REASON.

*Dom*

.....I didn't kill Metalmarsh, but oooooooookay.

You know... Timmer could have done that>????

Like???????

S~V~S wrote:Dom, if you are SO SURE a role is going to turn out bad, and you have been pointing & screaming "TRICKSTER'" and "BAD BAD BAD BAD" at me for days, yet you needed to see the role revealed? And when it came up not bad, you did not believe it anyhow. The HOST is being manipulative now,not just me, but the HOST.

Such Bullshit.And you accuse me of being full of shit. Lol.

....I literally said LC manipulated it.

Like??
Yeah?


I wanted to confirm that the Trickster was Cabal as I suspected-- because otherwise, by my count (if my count on the deadies is right-- and might not be), they should be gone.

But they're... not?

So... you are Cabal and maybe Tranq is. IDK Tranq and you aren't working in the civvies' interest though, so lol bieee

Dom wrote:

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you want the Master Thief role to be revealed?

I wanted the Trickster to be revealed. I didn't think LC would so obviously manipulate those results too.

Wanna try reading my posts, SVS?

Yes he is manipulative,just like me.

That was the part of your post I was responding to

....so how am I bullsuiting?

Well, your response on the Reveal an Affiliation poll, for one. No matter what that poll said, you would still think that role was bad. It was actually revealed as not bad, and this time you said it was the HOST being manipulative, since you could not accuse me of it. Had it come up *bad* you would have been "LYNCH SVS SHE"S BAD THE POLL SAID SO". When it came up *NOT bad* you were all like "LYNCH SVS SHE'S BAD THE POLL WAS OBVIOUSLY TAMPERED WITH". SO saying you voted for that for that reason is bullshit. Learning the result of that made zero difference to your opinion. That is one example.

So what is your case on Splints being the last member of the Cabal? I had her down as an Indy.

S~V~S wrote:Well, your response on the Reveal an Affiliation poll, for one. No matter what that poll said, you would still think that role was bad. It was actually revealed as not bad, and this time you said it was the HOST being manipulative, since you could not accuse me of it. Had it come up *bad* you would have been "LYNCH SVS SHE"S BAD THE POLL SAID SO". When it came up *NOT bad* you were all like "LYNCH SVS SHE'S BAD THE POLL WAS OBVIOUSLY TAMPERED WITH". SO saying you voted for that for that reason is bullshit. Learning the result of that made zero difference to your opinion. That is one example.

So what is your case on Splints being the last member of the Cabal? I had her down as an Indy.

I dont think Splints is Cabal. Again, please read my posts.


I can undersatnd what you're saying-- but I have zero belief that the trickster is civvie. When it came up that way, I felt like we had wasted the poll because I thought it would be immune to trickster tomfoolery.

Doh,I meant Circle. C words.

So why do you think she is the last member of the CIRCLE?

What is your case?

S~V~S wrote:Doh,I meant Circle. C words.

So why do you think she is the last member of the CIRCLE?

What is your case?

I have expressed my suspicion of Fingersplints several times throughout the game. At this point, it is down to numbers and who I think I can trust and who I am less sure of.

And who I'm almost positive is bad. That would be you and Tranq.

So then tell me again why you think Splints is in the Circle? We are both here with nothing to do; humor me

You were the one to mention her; let's not try to twist this back on to me.

S~V~S wrote:So then tell me again why you think Splints is in the Circle? We are both here with nothing to do; humor me

I do have things to do...

I'd rather not humor someone who is obviously trying to use a lull in converstaion to her (and their) advantage by switching the conversation away from themselves. Nice try.

If you're so interested in my FS suspicion, read Day 9. Thanksgiving followed, The Matt Situation erupted thereafter-- things changed, priorities changed.

S~V~S wrote:You were the one to mention her; let's not try to twist this back on to me.

You/Tranq were the ones to bring this conversation; let's not try to twist this back on to me.

YOU SAID THE NAME FS. Can you please tell me why?

Tranq wrote:
Name 1 single Circle suspect still alive.

Dom Wrote: FS.
I have done this so many times. Get a grip.

And please do not tell me to "get a grip".

Can you link me to Day 9? And the posts where you explain why you thing Splints is Circle?

S~V~S wrote:YOU SAID THE NAME FS. Can you please tell me why?

Tranq wrote:
Name 1 single Circle suspect still alive.

Dom Wrote: FS.
I have done this so many times. Get a grip.

I have told you why. If you're not willing to do basic research, that's not my problem. I have talked this issue to death-- this lynch is about why you and Tranq cannot be trusted and I refuse for you to do what you're do.

S~V~S wrote:And please do not tell me to "get a grip".

I didn't

Nice smearing. I told Tranq to get a grip. Tranq has asked me the same questions over and over again hoping it gets me lynched.

What a transparent lie.

Linki:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... &start=120
Go back from there.

S~V~S wrote:Dom,I am going to walkaway for the night. You sound as if you are REALLY mad, like in reality. And have done so for several days.

I'm kind of shocked you'd say this in thread.

The fact that you did proves to me it's a manipulation tactic. If you actually thought I was upset you'd probably reach out to the MoD or myself in a not-btsc way which would not be in the thread. You've done it before.

So.... this is pretty shady.

game mods are expensive in Finalnd

Dom - I don't think you have expressed much reason for suspecting me either. I agree with SVS that you have been saying my name without anything behind it really. I think that suspicion is fake.

I'm actually switching to Dom for the moment. This close to the end it really isn't that crazy to reiterate why you suspect someone, but Dom doesn't seem to be able to, or want to, and that is shady to me.

Another thing Dom, why are you so sure either SVS or Tranq tried to kill me then. If you think one of them killed me (someone on my square) like everyone else - because that is role related. So I'm just asking what specific reason you have for thinking it must have been someone on my square because that doesn't make any sense to me.

I was hoping the day would be over.

I was hoping tranq would be lynched

I haven't read the thread back. If it's Dom, I guess it's Dom. But today, I am not going to follow.

Tranq IS bad. Dom may be bad.

I hate that I am not around. The moment I'm not around for a day, people get persuaded. Tranq is a very good persuader. He persuaded me yesterday.

Today is lylo. I am absolutely absolutely convinced and certain that if we do not lynch tranq today, CABAL WIN.

It is as stark as that for me. There is no changing my mind. Splints, I really deeply hope you will listen. SVS, if you are genuinely good, I hope you will too. I have believed for good reason for a very long time that Cabal are not down to one person... I've kept trying to push that but people aren't listening.

WE HAVE TO LYNCH TRANQ

Please, please, please, please just listen and lynch.

And SVS, if you are the last cabal member, then tranq is circle. So, you would also get your vengeance.

I feel like I've tried so hard this game just to see the civs go down in flames. I know I'm responsible for a lot of the fuck up. I got blinded by numbers and stuff. Please, though, help me fix it.

I just caught up for a little and realised... the voting is in part based on emotion. It makes me sad.

I didn't really realised how much of that was in it, but I'm just asking for your trust for one day. I fear if we don't take out tranq now it's game over. If tranq dies today and a team is actually ended, then I'll vote for dom with anyone else tomorrow, I will give my promise.

Actually, I don't know that I would keep that promise, so I take it back.

I just really feel like not lynching tranq today would be a game-ending move, and I think because I'm life-stressed any way I'm emotive about it.

I don't want to come this far just to have the town lose.

fingersplints wrote:Another thing Dom, why are you so sure either SVS or Tranq tried to kill me then. If you think one of them killed me (someone on my square) like everyone else - because that is role related. So I'm just asking what specific reason you have for thinking it must have been someone on my square because that doesn't make any sense to me.

I know that SVS was blocked the night there was a NK attempt on you.

Golden wrote:I just caught up for a little and realised... the voting is in part based on emotion. It makes me sad.

I didn't really realised how much of that was in it, but I'm just asking for your trust for one day. I fear if we don't take out tranq now it's game over. If tranq dies today and a team is actually ended, then I'll vote for dom with anyone else tomorrow, I will give my promise.

We will see what Dom's reason for continuing suspecting me is. You don't find it all weird that he can't give a reason why he suspects one of his two suspects this game?

fingersplints wrote:

Golden wrote:I just caught up for a little and realised... the voting is in part based on emotion. It makes me sad.

I didn't really realised how much of that was in it, but I'm just asking for your trust for one day. I fear if we don't take out tranq now it's game over. If tranq dies today and a team is actually ended, then I'll vote for dom with anyone else tomorrow, I will give my promise.

We will see what Dom's reason for continuing suspecting me is. You don't find it all weird that he can't give a reason why he suspects one of his two suspects this game?

I find Dom very weird. I find SVS very weird as well. Based just on what is going on in the thread, I'd think those two are most likely to be bad. I don't really get why dom suspects you and I would also like to see a reason.

But for me, right now, this isn't about gut instinct on individual people. I genuinely fear the game is over if tranq is not lynched today, civs lose. I might be wrong, but I just really don't want to take the risk. At the very least, I'm sure tranq and dom are not on the same team. I'm sure tranq will come back bad. Whatever he comes back as, and whether or not his team is eliminated, I think this gives us a lot more context on who is the best lynch for the next day - it may point to SVS being more likely good (if tranq is cabal), it may point to dom being more likely good (if tranq is circle).

At work, not alot of time to catch up. Golden, you're pushing another mislynch. It's not too late to change your vote.

LoRab wrote:Of the knowledged I've gained, I think SVS tried to kill Splints.

Dom wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Another thing Dom, why are you so sure either SVS or Tranq tried to kill me then. If you think one of them killed me (someone on my square) like everyone else - because that is role related. So I'm just asking what specific reason you have for thinking it must have been someone on my square because that doesn't make any sense to me.

I know that SVS was blocked the night there was a NK attempt on you.

...

Why are you accusing me of "being linked to 2 kills" if you know SVS tried to NK fingersplints?

I heard back from LC. I left SVS' and splints' square 45 minutes before Night ended. I ended up on the other side of the portal, where Dom and LoRab were. LC got the PM around the time Night ended, there was no time to chat. NKs happen the nanosecond before square movements, but going through a portal isn't a square movement. I was no longer on the same square as fingersplints when SVS tried to NK her. It's psysically impossible for me to having targetted her that Night. I'm not Cabal.

I'm confident in saying if i hadn't made this deal with SVS, Circle would've won this game days ago. When they took Timmer off the poll, they had 4 members. Timmer-TH-Sorsha-Dom. Had they succeeded in lynching MM over TH, they would've won the game. I'm not Circle either. Dom is. I think everyone knows his accusation of fingersplints being Circle is fake, and his accusation of me being Circle is, well, i have no words

Lynch Dom.

Tranq wrote:At work, not alot of time to catch up. Golden, you're pushing another mislynch. It's not too late to change your vote.

LoRab wrote:Of the knowledged I've gained, I think SVS tried to kill Splints.

Dom wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Another thing Dom, why are you so sure either SVS or Tranq tried to kill me then. If you think one of them killed me (someone on my square) like everyone else - because that is role related. So I'm just asking what specific reason you have for thinking it must have been someone on my square because that doesn't make any sense to me.

I know that SVS was blocked the night there was a NK attempt on you.

...

Why are you accusing me of "being linked to 2 kills" if you know SVS tried to NK fingersplints?

FS hinted that she knew she'd survive, it makes me question which is true.

Tranq wrote: I heard back from LC. I left SVS' and splints' square 45 minutes before Night ended. I ended up on the other side of the portal, where Dom and LoRab were. LC got the PM around the time Night ended, there was no time to chat. NKs happen the nanosecond before square movements, but going through a portal isn't a square movement. I was no longer on the same square as fingersplints when SVS tried to NK her. It's psysically impossible for me to having targetted her that Night. I'm not Cabal.

I'm confident in saying if i hadn't made this deal with SVS, Circle would've won this game days ago. When they took Timmer off the poll, they had 4 members. Timmer-TH-Sorsha-Dom. Had they succeeded in lynching MM over TH, they would've won the game. I'm not Circle either. Dom is. I think everyone knows his accusation of fingersplints being Circle is fake, and his accusation of me being Circle is, well, i have no words

Lynch Dom.

Your deal with SVS is to push her agenda because she can't anymore.
This lynch is a referendum on Lorab's mislynch. I see that you left her out of your theory up there-- didn't you say she must also somehow be a Trickster? You've ignored evidence against me being on Circle Team because it is not politically expedient for you to do so. I survived a kill from the Circle on a night I shared a square with LoRab. If I were circle, why wouldn't LoRab be dead? You just said yourself that LoRab wasn't Circle-- so if I was, why isn't she dead if no one else (as your theory suggests) was in killing range?
I'm not circle and I won't be subjected to your attempt to make this about me. This isn't about me. This is about your attempt to push SVS's agenda because she is not in a position to. This is about SVS smearing me in the thread by saying I'm being overly emotional, but posting sad bear pictures and posting statements in an attempt to make people feel bad for suspecting her. This is about the two of you being on the same square as two NKs (though you, Tranq seem to have answers for that). This is about SVS mysteriously being off the poll today when you confirmed you are/were close to the Tribunal.
You say if MM had been lynched, it would have been game over? No, I doubt it. We needed MM dead logistically-- anyone who isn't on SVS's team needed him dead, logistically. That's why I supported his lynch.
You two are bad and I'm done catering to your demands.
Vote Tranq today. SVS tomorrow. We regroup after that and find the last Circle.

LoRab wrote: I really do think the statue was recruited by the civ cause.

Of the knowledged I've gained, I think SVS tried to kill Splints. There are other suspicions I had of those now dead that were also based on knowledge.

This post of LoRab's tells you everything you need to know.

fingersplints wrote:

Golden wrote:I just caught up for a little and realised... the voting is in part based on emotion. It makes me sad.

I didn't really realised how much of that was in it, but I'm just asking for your trust for one day. I fear if we don't take out tranq now it's game over. If tranq dies today and a team is actually ended, then I'll vote for dom with anyone else tomorrow, I will give my promise.

We will see what Dom's reason for continuing suspecting me is. You don't find it all weird that he can't give a reason why he suspects one of his two suspects this game?

I have explained this. My initial suspicion of you has been discussed many a time. Day 9 is full of that. However, at this point, it's just down to numbers. And you would be my next guess after Tranq/SVS.

Back home. I see your posts are full of shit. How does it feel being cornered, Dom?

I'm 5sq from the Tribunal. You are 1sq or 2sq west of me, which means you are closer to the Tribunal than i am. You lied.

Catching up now.

Dom wrote:I survived a kill from the Circle on a night I shared a square with LoRab. If I were circle, why wouldn't LoRab be dead? You just said yourself that LoRab wasn't Circle-- so if I was, why isn't she dead if no one else (as your theory suggests) was in killing range?

Gladius Mechaspark - His battery pack can power one of his inventions each night. Has a shield generator that can protect a square from outside forces for the night. Has a flying machine that can emulate the Deadeye Raptor’s movement rate. Has a locator device that can tell him where an item is. Has a Null Ray that nullifies a player’s powers for the phase, rendering them vanilla. If he’s alive by Night 6, he may invent a new item. An invention must recharge for two phases before being reused.

Let's assume you're telling the truth about being on LoRab's square Night 10, the Night of the failed Circle NK on you. If i were Gladius Mechaspark, i'd create items that would protect me from getting killed. The invention must recharge two phases, so i'd use this item again Night 8, and again Night 10. If given the choice between making a failed NK on a civ, or a failed NK on a teammate, i know which one i'd choose.

When did Sorsha recruit you? It makes sense the Master Thief would get their hands on the Star Gem. Holy shit is that why Timmer killed Epig? Did he have the Star Gem?

^Night 9. The attempted Circle NK on Dom happened Night 9.

Which is the same Night Sorsha made this post:

Sorsha wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:But what civ would take it upon him/herself to find the gem, find the statue, and recruit the statue to the civ side? (Assuming that's how the role works)

I think a mafia team is more likely to coordinate such an event.

One who is on a quest to do such a thing?

Tranq wrote:

Dom wrote:I survived a kill from the Circle on a night I shared a square with LoRab. If I were circle, why wouldn't LoRab be dead? You just said yourself that LoRab wasn't Circle-- so if I was, why isn't she dead if no one else (as your theory suggests) was in killing range?

Gladius Mechaspark - His battery pack can power one of his inventions each night. Has a shield generator that can protect a square from outside forces for the night. Has a flying machine that can emulate the Deadeye Raptor’s movement rate. Has a locator device that can tell him where an item is. Has a Null Ray that nullifies a player’s powers for the phase, rendering them vanilla. If he’s alive by Night 6, he may invent a new item. An invention must recharge for two phases before being reused.

Let's assume you're telling the truth about being on LoRab's square Night 10, the Night of the failed Circle NK on you. If i were Gladius Mechaspark, i'd create items that would protect me from getting killed. The invention must recharge two phases, so i'd use this item again Night 8, and again Night 10. If given the choice between making a failed NK on a civ, or a failed NK on a teammate, i know which one i'd choose.

Sorsha did not recruit me.

You assume a lot about what LoRab told me about her role in one of the first days where we decided to trust each other. You assume a lot of things, actually-- most of which are false.

Tranq has literally made a deal with somenoe he outed in the thread-- I cannot fathom why anyone wouldn't vote for him.