The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:08 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:24 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:45 am Wolves are Quin, Kyle and Eloh.
Me and my two biggest suspects for the majority of the game are all teammates? Nah.

Quin, what do you think of Wilgy/Kyle/Eloh.

Better yet, Sloonei/Kyle/Eloh

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:15 am**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:10 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:45 am I don't need new theories.

We were lynching Quin last night. There were 5 votes on him.

Why did we stop, and why can't we come back?
Okay...still sitting and reading with cup #2. I want to carch up!

This is kind of how I feel. We talk about lynching someone, start voting, the votes trickle elsewhere, and we never come back to our original suspicion. Why is this?

I feel like this is the 10th time you're buddying with a post of mine in this game.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:16 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:07 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:10 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:45 am I don't need new theories.

We were lynching Quin last night. There were 5 votes on him.

Why did we stop, and why can't we come back?
Okay...still sitting and reading with cup #2. I want to carch up!

This is kind of how I feel. We talk about lynching someone, start voting, the votes trickle elsewhere, and we never come back to our original suspicion. Why is this?
Because we stupid.

I don't even think the little mountains are responsible.

Most civ lynches are usually caused by civs being stupid.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:38 pm**

On a completely unrelated note:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:31 pm Quin is town. Colonialbob is not town. If both these statements are false I will eat my Marmot hat.
I need a good reason to change my vote. You are strong in your assessment. I don't have an opinion of colonialbob.

I will change if you can convince me to do so. You will, of course, need more than that.

As you can see, though, I have a very poor opinion of Quin.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:34 pm colonialbob

Your vote would have made a difference, and gotten Quin lynched, at this point:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:06 am OK, hittin' up bob to seal the deal. It was 6-4, now it's 7-4.

So, if you suspected Quin more, and you needed good reason to change your vote, then why did you switch to bob?

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:39 pm**

EBWOP: *maybe gotten Quin lynched. Would have been 5-5 with my vote on sig.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:40 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:15 am @Epignosis if you switch back to Quin he'll be in the lead over sig.

still, hey @Long Con you could join us you know. remember last time I asked you to join me? yeah, it was a scum! :P

Maybe you were right, but then you went all:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:17 am does anyone have a good reason why Quin and Bob can't be scumbuddies because I think they are
I haven't looked for this pattern in any way.
Well, I just did a search for Quin (heh heh heh) in Bob's ISO and I can absolutely see it. Yeah yeah confirmation bias and all, but it checks out.

Remember, kiddies: Confirmation Bias ruins lives, and it can happen to you!

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:46 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:44 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 am I'm more inclined to vote cbob than quin today, Jay's interactions with cbob look worse than Quin, and I know this isn't a direct parallel but Quin didn't ever get down or lose interest when half our team died in CC123, or at least he didn't really act like it, so I think maybe my theory on him losing hope may be non indicative
How is CC123 indicative of anything whatsoever?

CC123 includes a sample of Quin's behavior after loss of teammates. I said it right there.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm**

Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:00 pm**

I mean, I get your point,but I think CC123 has too many details that disturb data since it is a different game with different goals.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:03 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

I'm tired of Kyle doing his "watch the poll and jump on a civ at the end of the phase" routine every day. He needs to be held accountable for that.
And I've been reading him bad on gut feeling all game

that's not what I do at all. I vote late and only vote between players with votes cus one time vote polls are what I grew up on. saving your vote til late and reviewing everything til last minute was the only way for me to be sure not to regret things so it formed as a habit.

I've put thought into every single vote I've made. attempting to paint it as 'drop a vote on at the end of the day' is a bad look for you.

. And I think he slipped on the "her" thing. I've been avoiding ISOs all game, but after I'm done with Quin I'm doing it on Kyle, confirmation bias be danmed.

And if Kyle flips bad, then I bet the last scum is lacking a Y chromossome. Eloh is the only one of the three I'm not reading as civ right now.

It wasn't a slip, I used she cus I was talking about dunya, a player who's been consistently screwed over by many of the poll times. You're ignoring the context of the post in order to focus on a single word.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:05 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:00 pm I mean, I get your point,but I think CC123 has too many details that disturb data since it is a different game with different goals.

valid point, also I guess quin and I didn't really even agree we had aligned interests until after sig and epig died, cus he was doing cagey prime bullshit to remain neutral and I was doing cagey anti prime bullshit to appease sig and epignosis

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:06 pm**

though it was still a significant loss

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:17 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:05 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 am I'm not actually thinking that, I'm just debunking any fool proof logic with "there was 5 votes on Quin...why did we stop"
That was not an attempt to "foolproof" anything.

That was a question. And I'm asking it to everyone:

Why did we stop?

this is actually a really good question that's been bugging me. we haven't followed up on a lynch attempt once.

there's so many players that have been close to being lynched and then were saved by CFD's within hours of the end post and even when they were the top suspect the previous day? the next day we just move on to something else. Im pretty sure cbob was the only player to be lynched who was previously in the running to be lynched on days before.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:20 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:07 am Alright, hey what's up, I just experienced every single human emotion all at once. How are you guys? Gotta go catch up.
Bad break up?

no. i almost lost cc124 and it was a very stressful 3 hours

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:23 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:03 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

I'm tired of Kyle doing his "watch the poll and jump on a civ at the end of the phase" routine every day. He needs to be held accountable for that.
And I've been reading him bad on gut feeling all game
that's not what I do at all. I vote late and only vote between players with votes cus one time vote polls are what I grew up on. saving your vote til late and reviewing everything til last minute was the only way for me to be sure not to regret things so it formed as a habit.

I've put thought into every single vote I've made. attempting to paint it as 'drop a vote on at the end of the day' is a bad look for you.

. And I think he slipped on the "her" thing. I've been avoiding ISOs all game, but after I'm done with Quin I'm doing it on Kyle, confirmation bias be danmed.

And if Kyle flips bad, then I bet the last scum is lacking a Y chromossome. Eloh is the only one of the three I'm not reading as civ right now.
It wasn't a slip, I used she cus I was talking about dunya, a player who's been consistently screwed over by many of the poll times. You're ignoring the context of the post in order to focus on a single word.

Ok that's fair enough. Then it's less in the field of slip and more like "should we lynch kyle/dunya if the other flips bad" that is more subjective.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:26 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:23 pmOk that's fair enough. Then it's less in the field of slip and more like "should we lynch kyle/dunya if the other flips bad" that is more subjective.

I don't understand what this sentence means but you've given me an idea thats more important than whatever you're saying so be right back.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:39 pm**

[spoiler

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:29 amNo one has been lynched. It is now Night 1. You have until 22:00 Mountain Time (MST) to submit your night actions.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:19 amNo one has been lynched. It is now Night 2. You have until Friday at 22:00 MST to submit your night actions (a hair under 47 hours due to Thanksgiving).

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:47 amIt is now Night 3. You have until 22:00 MST (~22 hours from now) to send in your night actions.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:55 amYou have until 22:00 MST on Sunday to submit your night actions, as I will be incapacitated tomorrow.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:21 amIt is now Night 5. You have until 21:00 MST to submit your night actions. Apologies for the short night period, but I'm trying to get things back on schedule. If anyone has any qualms, I can bump the night period back.

[/spoiler]

ok nevermind. theory cancelled.

the night phase end times have been fairly consistent, even though the day phases have ended at varying times.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:41 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:05 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 am I'm not actually thinking that, I'm just debunking any fool proof logic with "there was 5 votes on Quin...why did we stop"
That was not an attempt to "foolproof" anything.

That was a question. And I'm asking it to everyone:

Why did we stop?
this is actually a really good question that's been bugging me. we haven't followed up on a lynch attempt once.

Malakim.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:09 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:41 pmMalakim.

Oh right. Dom

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:26 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?

Was there even such a thing?

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:32 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?
Was there even such a thing?

Once upon a time.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:42 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?
Was there even such a thing?

Exactly my point.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:58 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:42 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?
Was there even such a thing?
Exactly my point.

good and bad aren't important to the point I was making. we were on a team together and worked hard to keep that secret while keeping each other alive and trying to get everyone else to kill each other.

is that not similar to mafia?

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:41 pm**

sorry, I have terrible nausea and stomach pains so I wont be around today as previously indicated. see you all tomorrow (if I dont die)

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:43 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:41 pm sorry, I have terrible nausea and stomach pains so I wont be around today as previously indicated. see you all tomorrow (if I dont die)

Don't die!

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:49 pm**

so.... quiet night, huh?

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:12 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:05 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 am I'm not actually thinking that, I'm just debunking any fool proof logic with "there was 5 votes on Quin...why did we stop"
That was not an attempt to "foolproof" anything.

That was a question. And I'm asking it to everyone:

Why did we stop?
this is actually a really good question that's been bugging me. we haven't followed up on a lynch attempt once.

there's so many players that have been close to being lynched and then were saved by CFD's within hours of the end post and even when they were the top suspect the previous day? the next day we just move on to something else. Im pretty sure cbob was the only player to be lynched who was previously in the running to be lynched on days before.

This is what I was saying. You used better words

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:57 am**

I realise it's only a small part of why people suspect me but I figured I'd just be open about why I've had sub par motivation lately. I'd rather you not read into this as some sort of appeal to emotion, I try to avoid that as much as possible in mafia.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:04 am**

That said I do want to pick my shit up, and I'll answer questions people need answered, but I'm going to take a backseat and run with the people I think I can trust for the most part.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:11 am**

I don't have the time or inclination to do it now, but there is a consolation to colonialbob being lynched instead of killed: We know his role, and if he played his cards right, he left clues regarding how civilians should be voting moving forward. Look for those clues.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:14 am**

Coming into Day 7 I'm town reading Sloonei and nutella most. I'm also thinking that Eloh and Wilgy are probable town. Iirc 3J drilled them both pretty hard early into his replacement. The latter more, because nobody really suspected Wilgy at the time and bringing him into the spotlight seems unnecessary.

We should look at bob's posts to see if he had any town or scum reads that stick out.

I think more people should look at DDL tomorrow. I believe he and Kyle could be teammates.

linki: what he said

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:20 am**

With 3 remaining scum and only 2 inactives, I want to consider the tinfoil that the mafia are withholding their kills intentionally for whatever reason. Maybe it's to have us waste lynches on inactives. Right now we aren't in the most dangerous territory mislynch wise and I do think we could entertain a lynch on either sig or INH to test whether the lack of nights kills is part of a plan or a matter of inactivity.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:38 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:14 amWe should look at bob's posts to see if he had any town or scum reads that stick out.

agreed, i think this is a good goal for tomorrow

I think more people should look at DDL tomorrow. I believe he and Kyle could be teammates.

i actually want to look into DDL tomorrow too for basically the exact opposite reason, the way he's been coming at me reminds me of the way baddies kind of language used by baddies to twist stuff to look worse.

Like i know i probably don't actually look that great and players being suspicious of me is completely expected and not a problem, but the way DDL worded his spiel made me feel like he was being a little more dramatic than he needed to be.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:41 am**

please god don't let epignosis see that post i can't take another C-

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:36 am**

DAY 6

Who are we gonna topple?
Poll ended at Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:23:41 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

colonialbob
8
47%
Voters: Long Con, Sloonei, Kylemii, DrWilgy, Quin, dunya, speedchuck, Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
insertnamehere
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
4
24%
Voters: nutella, colonialbob, Elohcin, Dragon D. Luffy
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
speedchuck
0
No votes
Voters: None
The game with the nummers (Hosts/Nons/Deads)
5
29%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, juliets, JaggedJimmyJay, MovingPictures07, Marmot
Total votes: 17

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:38 am**

E-peak-nosis

One of the most prominent rock formations in the world is El Capitan in Yosemite (see below).

El Capitan is a 3,000+ ft vertical granite wall, featuring two steep faces meeting at the obvious prowl, referred to as "The Nose".

Speaking of epic noses, Epignosis was found dead last night, his peak removed from the rest of his body. Truncated, if you will.

Epignosis has been nightkilled. It is now Day 7. You have 24 hours to lynch a Little Mountain.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:40 am**

In other news...

nijuukyugou has replaced insertnamehere.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am**

K2 wrote:Dear Mountains,

Fuck.

I don't know, let's just fucking lynch Sig or something.

Who cares?

Love,
K2

Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:50 am**

well hey there bloops

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:53 am**

rip epi :/

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:55 am**

K2 is on the same path as me. LC and DDL are players I'm feeling more skeptical of now. I took my vow to forget about this game seriously during the night, though. I've read nothing and it's too late for me to dive into anything serious right now. Placing a vote on Long Con for the time being. I'll do real work at some point tomorrow.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am**

and welcome [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention], thanks for stepping in. Do not worry about trying to read all of this nonsense. This is already the biggest speed game in syndicate history. It'll be pointless and counterproductive to attempt a catch up. Just hop right in and start telling us who seems honest or dishonest.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:02 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am and welcome @nijuukyugou, thanks for stepping in. Do not worry about trying to read all of this nonsense. This is already the biggest speed game in syndicate history. It'll be pointless and counterproductive to attempt a catch up. Just hop right in and start telling us who seems honest or dishonest.

And also 300 posts away from passing up the longest lasting game in Syndicate history.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:10 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am and welcome nijuukyugou, thanks for stepping in. Do not worry about trying to read all of this nonsense. This is already the biggest speed game in syndicate history. It'll be pointless and counterproductive to attempt a catch up. Just hop right in and start telling us who seems honest or dishonest.
And also 300 posts away from passing up the longest lasting game in Syndicate history.

Is that actually true? it hasn't seemed that long

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:11 am**

idk how my text became that color 0: it was an unintentional formating glitch. i'm sorry marmot

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:13 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:10 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am and welcome nijuukyugou, thanks for stepping in. Do not worry about trying to read all of this nonsense. This is already the biggest speed game in syndicate history. It'll be pointless and counterproductive to attempt a catch up. Just hop right in and start telling us who seems honest or dishonest.
And also 300 posts away from passing up the longest lasting game in Syndicate history.
Is that actually true? it hasn't seemed that long

you didn't put the [/ color] tag in ∆_∆

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:15 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:11 am idk how my text became that color 0: it was an unintentional formating glitch. i'm sorry marmot

In terms of post count, yes.

Just not in game length. Good god, I couldn't keep this up for 3 months.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am**

new personal goal added: finish the game in exactly 299 posts

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am**

RIP epi

and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:45 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

what is the argument for each of these players you just named being town?

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