The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:17 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:07 pm That's being pretty generous to the old Nook. If that's your argument then why do wolves do anything ever?

I think Nook can get away with doing nothing more than most players and he takes advantage of that as wolf.

But more generally I think the only plausible wolf agenda he could have is in a world where me/Santy are V/V (if Santy is a wolf what does he have to gain by promising to spotlight his partner?).

Not only do I think it's unlikely Santy is V, I also think that particular scenario (me/Santy being villagers together) is one that is ripe for town self destruction and thus it is uniquely a situation where wolves are poised to eat popcorn.

I mean, you're definitely overstating his reaction. It was a simple "when you flip green I will look into miselimming the two town you're wrongly pushing". And nothing more.

I gotta say Alison, if you're town here, you're pretty much ignoring logic in favour of making strawman arguments which is so unlike town you it's doing nothing but confirmation biasing me.

The little "Mac would be responsible for two town deaths" you threw in is also rich considering you and Dya were more responsible for arogame's situation than I was.

Well I'm flipped green and clearly not responsible for pushing myself, and Dya isn't on my wagon, so... why would we be relevant there?

Anyway I think if you are town you should calm down and take a moment to consider that if I flip green that maybe I was not totally wrong about everything just because you don't understand or agree with my logic. I think a town Mac would do that. And don't say it's manipulation because this is actions that you would perform after I flip so it's pointless for me to do as wolf.

Never said you were wrong about everything. I just pointed out the two things that were fallacious, that being the Santy and Ender points.

Also if you are actually town, Santygrass hard tunneling you doesn't make him mafia. If anything it makes him more towny. Santy doesn't really have a misreads tell. Going from hard shielding you to burying you makes very little logical sense to begin with given he could have just kept doing it and just pushed into a range of other slots. I was also present during his reevaluation progression and it was not the bad faith illogical nonsense you thought it was. It was the most sane that he'd been in the entire game tbh.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:17 pm Also if you are actually town, Santygrass hard tunneling you doesn't make him mafia. If anything it makes him more towny.

???

Are you seriously going to townread someone for blatantly killing townies with no remorse? Come on

I'm such a good mafia player that I succesfully pocketed Illario, Mac, Lily and all the players who have more experience playing with me than you .
*Yawn*
As some might say . Skill Issue moment

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:44 pm this site is wonderful

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:35 pm On the subject of Belzy, it is plausible that Belzy is town and just fumbled their claim. The way the claim was handled in the chat wasn't entirely outing, it was just bad.

The main reason I them was because Belzy is just wolfy in the thread, in the chat, fumbled the claim and their actual stated claim is nothing more than an expired green check on a slot that probably dies tonight anyway and a hood they weren't even contributing to.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:12 pm Okay so there's another fallacy in Alison's legacy post. Scumreading Neon because you did.

Alison clearly didn't have an accurate view of the gamestate when making the post.

In and of itself not entirely indictable but like ... why lash out and OMGUS when called out on it? Why promote so much confidence in reads that are so obviously predicated on a bad understanding of the game? Why not reevaluate instead?

Just a wolf.

tbf i was pushing neon sod, im not saying ur argument isnt correct. it just depends on which parts of my posting alison saw ig

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:03 pm i officially hate one piece gifs, thanks

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:11 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:08 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:03 pm i do kind of think porscha might be in antispew because her role is good and i am playing into her hand a bit

but idk

yes or no
do you have mechanical info that 100% makes Betzy a wolf because of their claim?
I think Porscha just isn't posting, why does it have to be anti-spew, anti-spew themselves by posting, is that what u mean?
Confused why ur making this assumption

I don't have 100% mechanical info on Belzy.

Porscha would've posted by now if she was town. It's as simple as that lol

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:16 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:15 pm Ilario hard red from that post honestly.

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why are people v reading this guy?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:42 pm @Neon where is your head at rn btw? Dont fall off pls I still think you are town and need u in the thread

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:28 pm "oh lily why dont u do it" i am playing minecraft

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:37 pm I have very little interest in vocalising my opinions right now. I will keep reading but I don't feel like discussing peoples alignments as I feel like every time I get into a discussion with someone on topic in this game I get my character and personality attacked and I just cannot deal with it anymore. When my arguments get reduced and hurled back at me as personal attacks mafia isn't worth it anymore.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:35 pm On the subject of Belzy, it is plausible that Belzy is town and just fumbled their claim. The way the claim was handled in the chat wasn't entirely outing, it was just bad.

The main reason I them was because Belzy is just wolfy in the thread, in the chat, fumbled the claim and their actual stated claim is nothing more than an expired green check on a slot that probably dies tonight anyway and a hood they weren't even contributing to.

One thing I want to note on Belzy is they said they would respond to the questions I had on their iso and be more present but they responded to about 3 of them and disappeared. There could be several explanations for it but I do find it Intresting that they didn't respond to any of my requests for them to expand upon thoughts and world views presented by them on day 1.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:27 am Neons fantabulous reads list. Trademark Pending.

Allison - scum lean. I think it's annoying that either town won't let this role self resolve or that it's a blatant lie and scum are protecting the lie. Without the role resolution I think it's necessary to read Allison without mech. Alison has lied about numerous things throughout d2 and they've responded by admitting they do not have a full and clear view of the game. I can only assume they are a town playing anti town and making sweeping and incorrect reads on limited info without an attempt to clarify what they don't know. However their response to people pointing out their factual inaccuracies has been too double or triple down and to be completely unwilling to listen. I can't say with certainty that this is scum. However I am reminded of King of the Hill where they talked repeatedly about needing to be resolved to pull pressure off themself and kill another towny and self admittedly they said their only goal was to get one more day and kill one more towny. Anyone in that game I ask you is this behavior not at least somewhat pinging you?

Scum lean.

Belzy - I town read Belzy for most of this game and my iso on them was not an attack but rather mostly just questions asking for clarification. They saw the post acknowledged it said they would respond and than have largely not responded or clarified anything that I looked for clarification on. Their thread presence has been lack luster but they've been busy however without clarification I can't help but wonder why they were thread present and didn't provide any updates on the reads I asked for. With Mac also having mech reason to bring Belzy into question I am currently scum leaning them but I think this is one of the slots that would very easily change my mind just by giving clarification.

Scum lean.

Chamomile - I don't find anything towny and Cham is almost too obvious in my opinion. I ISOd and asked clarifying questions and recieved no response but I'm not sure Cham saw it because unlike Belzy they did not respond and the post was quickly buried. I don't believe TWTBAW exists I think that Cham is probably a 3P of some kind but I believe that killing Cham could be met beneficial although later in the game.

Scum lean

dyachei - I don't know and I'm not going to try to figure Dya out right now. I'll iso later when I can

Null.

ilario - I don't see the wolfy motivation for the treatment of me. They had me flustered and frustrated and we were going at each other but when I offered an attempt to find each other Illario took the offer even before I made myself obviously town and while they still had plenty of reason to sus me. That feels town to me but not lock town. They've flip flopped the most in my reads from town to scum but currently I think

Town lean

Lilypetal - I could tinfoil Lily and have done it on occasion privately however I think that's a world I should only ender explore much later in the game. They've hit all their town notes their progression on both Porscha and myself felt natural especially their treatment of me after my recent wolf performances.

Town

EnderWiggen - I'm either pocketed and they are wolf or they are town. Ender can pocket me easily. It's my biggest weakness as town. I've been hard pocketed by woofers repeatedly. Ender is not really doing anything to impress me but they aren't doing anything to make me go oh wolf. Is that good? No idea. I don't think I should ever try to solve ender without someone else. For now

Town lean

MacDougall - Tinfoil is that Belz and Mac are both woofs and this was an easy way to lock Mac town with a greencheck and put heat on Belzy that would be easily mitigated with one simple answer since Belzy has been largely towny and could easily assuage fear I think. However I think Mac is showing genuine attempts to solve the game even through his tunnel he gave Alison outs that Alison ignored to double down.

Town

Millium - I think Millium is town and that the way day 1 played out proves that. I think the self vote was anti town but not wolf indicative. I think the way they are asking questions and trying to help see both sides of an argument is town. But I'm not ready to lock in

Town lean

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Nook is nook don't ask me. I think the vote on Alison was awful and anti town but not outside Nooks town range. Because i don't think anything is outside nooks town range.

Fuck if I know

Neon - I'm town. Read my posts.

Town.

Porscha - I've exclaimed what is bothering me about the way they've been when in thread. I don't buy the volume read but I do buy that it's hard to see Porscha as town when they've been run up 2 days in a row their wagon was hard derailed day 1 there have been numerous occasions day 2 where people have pulled pressure off Porscha and onto Alison or Belzy... they are present again but still not giving me much to town read. They did this in a FoL game once as town but they were decidedly less defensive about being run up

Scum lean

RondoDimBuckle - fuck if I know. Woofs should absolutely fear Rondo if town.

Fuck if I know

santygrass - I think Santy has shown good progression and has answered every question directed at them in ways that make sense to me as town. I also think I might be pocketed because of the way they read me and lily d1 when they were mimicking my feelings almost entirely.

Town lean but I'm fucking terrified

Seanzie - ...

Fuck if I know

Tilgarial - I need to iso again Mac said they were towny today and I need to feel it out.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:31 am Hello. Let's maf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:35 am I see nothing disagreeable in your reads.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:35 am I see nothing disagreeable in your reads.

That's where I'm at and I have no clue who to vote for.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:48 am lol i retire

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:05 am I just cannae

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol

Have they been talking to you in the neighborhood?

I still have some major gripes with the situation @Belzy come talk to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol

Have they been talking to you in the neighborhood?

I still have some major gripes with the situation @Belzy come talk to me.

Alison's top town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol

Have they been talking to you in the neighborhood?

I still have some major gripes with the situation @Belzy come talk to me.

Alison's top town

I uhh do not know if this is in response to me or a mistake.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:51 am Like maybe you're town

But someone's top town?

On this performance?

And you're just sitting there owning that shit?

Cmonnn lol.