Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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What do you think of the idea that Boomslang was forced to try to make a case and then vote LC?DharmaHelper wrote:Having actually read what Boomslang said now I have to admit I am intrigued. He's not above flat out infodumping (Amirite Face of Hoe)?
As annoying as that would be, I have to consider this Day a toss up between either LC or Boom now.
Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for youDharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
I think there are better ways to do that.juliets wrote:What do you think of the idea that Boomslang was forced to try to make a case and then vote LC?DharmaHelper wrote:Having actually read what Boomslang said now I have to admit I am intrigued. He's not above flat out infodumping (Amirite Face of Hoe)?
As annoying as that would be, I have to consider this Day a toss up between either LC or Boom now.
Yeah, I think so too.FZ. wrote:Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for youDharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
FZ., one thing that Mac said earlier was that he was working on a seven figure project that was more important than mafia. If that's true it might be why he's not in the thread during the day. I don't know this to be true but it is something he brought up a little while back.FZ. wrote:I'm wondering if this is just me being paranoid, but way before Tranq was lynched, when we were all debating whether Tranq's behaviour is a baddie indication, Mac said he is going to play like that in future games and skate through the game. Is it possible he's trying that as a baddie now?
Linki: Okay, it makes some sense. That said, I thought that if he was forced, the one post was enough to make it clear it wasn't his own choice, but when he came back with more, it made me doubt that. Can someone make him keep posting to convince us? Usually, when you're forced to vote for someone else, it's not like that.
Well, to paraphrase:Long Con wrote:Yeah, this. Has anyone figured it out and shown that they are smart? Is Boomslang roleclaiming an info role?Boomslang wrote:Why would I make such an unprecedented move on LC? What could I have possibly learned between Day 5 and Day 6? You're all smart people, you can figure it out.
I could posit that he's a Civ with an info role that has gotten bad info, but why would an info-getting Civ just blurt and out themselves like that? He didn't even try to make a case on me and indicate agreement with others who suspect me.
Y tho.Long Con wrote:Yeah, I think so too.FZ. wrote:Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for youDharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
Everyone here claims the only they are sure of being a civ are themselves. You only have reason to believe. I think that says it all.DharmaHelper wrote:Y tho.Long Con wrote:Yeah, I think so too.FZ. wrote:Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for youDharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
I hope you're being facetious.FZ. wrote:Everyone here claims the only they are sure of being a civ are themselves. You only have reason to believe. I think that says it all.DharmaHelper wrote:Y tho.Long Con wrote:Yeah, I think so too.FZ. wrote:Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for youDharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
Did I forget to use sarc orange? Silly me. Did you?DharmaHelper wrote:I hope you're being facetious.FZ. wrote:Everyone here claims the only they are sure of being a civ are themselves. You only have reason to believe. I think that says it all.DharmaHelper wrote:Y tho.Long Con wrote:Yeah, I think so too.FZ. wrote:Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for youDharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
Yikes. Hope you had backups.Most of them, but this is an awful time and I don't mean just mafia.Long Con wrote:Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
...I should make backups.
Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
....I literally have argued that you aren't behaving like I'd expect you to if you were truly neutral. I posted about it a lot. Selective memory or bad?Metalmarsh89 wrote:@dom, you answered your own question. You asked what evidence I've brought forth, and you followed it up with the evidence I've brought forth.
You also stated a suspect list with my name on it. Ok, what is your case against me?
I know you're not happy that I've claimed neutral, yet am suddenly casing you. Whether such actions would benefit me or not are is my own problem. You can't decide that for me. You can decide whether to believe my claim, but based what you have said since that point, I have no reason to see that you don't believe me.
I agree with your point on Mac.FZ. wrote:I'm wondering if this is just me being paranoid, but way before Tranq was lynched, when we were all debating whether Tranq's behaviour is a baddie indication, Mac said he is going to play like that in future games and skate through the game. Is it possible he's trying that as a baddie now?
Linki: Okay, it makes some sense. That said, I thought that if he was forced, the one post was enough to make it clear it wasn't his own choice, but when he came back with more, it made me doubt that. Can someone make him keep posting to convince us? Usually, when you're forced to vote for someone else, it's not like that.
I interpreted your original statement differently. But that makes sense as well.FZ. wrote:Okay, first of all, the hosts cleared it. Let's say I have reason to believe at day 3.0, JJJ's vote was worth 0 and Sorsha's was worth 0 last day. My lapse in judgement after the aftermath of last day was because he voted for Tranq who when I left had believed like me, that he was good. I thought that JJJ might have voted Lorab on day 3.0 but not on day 3.5 because his vote wasn't worth anything, and that Sorsha voted jjj for the same reason. I wanted to share this, but it turns out I was wrong. I now think that Sorsha, unless there really are two teams, had no reason to vote for him and make herself look worse if he were lynched.
Dom, per your question, I don't know whether Zebra's team killed or not. That's why I asked if LC thought it was her group or the other who killed.
Why would it be better if they NK you?Long Con wrote:Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
...I should make backups.
Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
I doubt ninju is in any way close to a lynch subject toDay, so why bring it up?juliets wrote:What is everyone thinking about ninju? She has been so quiet, so under the radar. It makes me nervous about her. She has less posts than Tranq, in fact less than anyone.
Because we could actually lynch a baddie today instead... and the nightkill won't go to another Civ.FZ. wrote:Why would it be better if they NK you?Long Con wrote:Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
...I should make backups.
Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
I don't have any suspicions of who I see as the top vote getters today so I'm looking around at other people on the players list.Ricochet wrote:I doubt ninju is in any way close to a lynch subject toDay, so why bring it up?juliets wrote:What is everyone thinking about ninju? She has been so quiet, so under the radar. It makes me nervous about her. She has less posts than Tranq, in fact less than anyone.
Ok thanks DomDom wrote:Juliets, you can add her to my list of people of unsubstantiated claims against me.
I don't think you'll be NKd any time soon, if your status creates such doubt amongst us, leading nowhere in lynches.Long Con wrote:Because we could actually lynch a baddie today instead... and the nightkill won't go to another Civ.FZ. wrote:Why would it be better if they NK you?Long Con wrote:Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
...I should make backups.
Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
Man, I'm sorry, I don't trust you at all.Ricochet wrote:I don't think you'll be NKd any time soon, if your status creates such doubt amongst us, leading nowhere in lynches.Long Con wrote:Because we could actually lynch a baddie today instead... and the nightkill won't go to another Civ.FZ. wrote:Why would it be better if they NK you?Long Con wrote:Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
...I should make backups.
Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
That's why the time is right NOW. Boomslang or LC. Which is made of bullsuit?
Yes I understand that. Can you explain that mindset from a baddie perspective?Dom wrote:....I literally have argued that you aren't behaving like I'd expect you to if you were truly neutral. I posted about it a lot. Selective memory or bad?Metalmarsh89 wrote:@dom, you answered your own question. You asked what evidence I've brought forth, and you followed it up with the evidence I've brought forth.
You also stated a suspect list with my name on it. Ok, what is your case against me?
I know you're not happy that I've claimed neutral, yet am suddenly casing you. Whether such actions would benefit me or not are is my own problem. You can't decide that for me. You can decide whether to believe my claim, but based what you have said since that point, I have no reason to see that you don't believe me.
Can't tell.
He's the only reason my vote is there currentlyFZ. wrote:DH, is Boomslang the only reason you're voting LC?
The reason I don't trust you has nothing to do with my alignment, and also, that's a vapid question.Ricochet wrote:Why would you, if you're bad?
If Boomslang is cursed to go after you, he'd have to be ridiculously daft to just say "hey trust me lynch Long Con". That's dumb.Long Con wrote:The reason I don't trust you has nothing to do with my alignment, and also, that's a vapid question.Ricochet wrote:Why would you, if you're bad?
If the baddies have cursed Boomslang with the imperative to come after me, then they want it to result in one or both of our deaths. Having some consideration that he was cursed might make those plans not happen... and you are doing your best to ignore that possibility and push the lynch to one of us or the other.
You are wicked with words, I'll give you that.Long Con wrote:The reason I don't trust you has nothing to do with my alignment, and also, that's a vapid question.Ricochet wrote:Why would you, if you're bad?
If the baddies have cursed Boomslang with the imperative to come after me, then they want it to result in one or both of our deaths. Having some consideration that he was cursed might make those plans not happen... and you are doing your best to ignore that possibility and push the lynch to one of us or the other.
...Yes.... and I have been....Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yes I understand that. Can you explain that mindset from a baddie perspective?Dom wrote:....I literally have argued that you aren't behaving like I'd expect you to if you were truly neutral. I posted about it a lot. Selective memory or bad?Metalmarsh89 wrote:@dom, you answered your own question. You asked what evidence I've brought forth, and you followed it up with the evidence I've brought forth.
You also stated a suspect list with my name on it. Ok, what is your case against me?
I know you're not happy that I've claimed neutral, yet am suddenly casing you. Whether such actions would benefit me or not are is my own problem. You can't decide that for me. You can decide whether to believe my claim, but based what you have said since that point, I have no reason to see that you don't believe me.
Can't tell.
There is literally a chance that anything could happen. Are you really looking for someone to tell you "No, I know these hosts, there's absolutely no chance that Boomslang could be cursed to say an exact thing in the thread"? There's a chance that everyone is bad but you, or that there's just one baddie left, or that ten of the living players are Indy. But not likely.FZ. wrote:That's why I'm asking if there's a chance someone can tell him exactly what to say.
It's my only real Mafia playing skill.Ricochet wrote:You are wicked with words, I'll give you that.Long Con wrote:The reason I don't trust you has nothing to do with my alignment, and also, that's a vapid question.Ricochet wrote:Why would you, if you're bad?
If the baddies have cursed Boomslang with the imperative to come after me, then they want it to result in one or both of our deaths. Having some consideration that he was cursed might make those plans not happen... and you are doing your best to ignore that possibility and push the lynch to one of us or the other.
Yeah thats exactly what I mean. If he was forced he could have made a shit case. But "Hey trust me lynch Long Con" isn't a shit case, it's infodumping, which in the culture of the Syndicate will 100% guarantee you get lynched.Long Con wrote:There is literally a chance that anything could happen. Are you really looking for someone to tell you "No, I know these hosts, there's absolutely no chance that Boomslang could be cursed to say an exact thing in the thread"? There's a chance that everyone is bad but you, or that there's just one baddie left, or that ten of the living players are Indy. But not likely.FZ. wrote:That's why I'm asking if there's a chance someone can tell him exactly what to say.
I don't think it's likely that someone gave Boomslang his lines for today, that doesn't sound like something real to me. DH, if Boomslang was forced to make a case today against me, he could very well make it blatantly weird in order to try and overcome the baddies' plan with something easy-to-disbelieve.
I don't know. What I do know is that I am not a baddie, so his claim is either a lie, a curse, or (unlikely) false info.
1. Because the hosts said so.FZ. wrote:You're right, Juliets, he did say that.
I really wish Boomslang would come here and stay for a little while. I have some questions for him:
1. How is what you're doing not considered info dumping?
2. Is your knowledge night or thread related?
3. Could you be wrong?
DharmaHelper wrote:Yeah thats exactly what I mean. If he was forced he could have made a shit case. But "Hey trust me lynch Long Con" isn't a shit case, it's infodumping, which in the culture of the Syndicate will 100% guarantee you get lynched.Long Con wrote:There is literally a chance that anything could happen. Are you really looking for someone to tell you "No, I know these hosts, there's absolutely no chance that Boomslang could be cursed to say an exact thing in the thread"? There's a chance that everyone is bad but you, or that there's just one baddie left, or that ten of the living players are Indy. But not likely.FZ. wrote:That's why I'm asking if there's a chance someone can tell him exactly what to say.
I don't think it's likely that someone gave Boomslang his lines for today, that doesn't sound like something real to me. DH, if Boomslang was forced to make a case today against me, he could very well make it blatantly weird in order to try and overcome the baddies' plan with something easy-to-disbelieve.
I don't know. What I do know is that I am not a baddie, so his claim is either a lie, a curse, or (unlikely) false info.
What Boom said is really unusual whether he's right or wrong about me. Extra-unusual to me because he's wrong.Just like I did when FZ and Metalmarsh suspected me earlier?Ricochet wrote:The way LC crafted his defense, he would have said the same even if Boomslang came with a Papryco like wall-o-text as to why LC must be lynched. Com'on.
I'm clearly referencing Boomslang being imperative about your lynch, not just sussing you, the way others did.Long Con wrote:Just like I did when FZ and Metalmarsh suspected me earlier?Ricochet wrote:The way LC crafted his defense, he would have said the same even if Boomslang came with a Papryco like wall-o-text as to why LC must be lynched. Com'on.
Praise JesusRicochet wrote:I'm so bloody relieved my spreadsheets weren't lost. I had backed up nothing from my Mafia folder. Since the beginning of that folder.
All backed up now, baddies have missed their only opportunity to hurt me.FZ. wrote:Good to hear, Rico. I imagine there were some other important stuff there. Not as important as mafia, but stil...
I'm off to bed. I think LC is the right way to go, but I'll let people judge for themselves.