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Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:00 pm**

Sorry, am I misunderstanding that the mafia deleter can only delete 1 real player like the town deleter?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:02 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:00 pm Sorry, am I misunderstanding that the mafia deleter can only delete 1 real player like the town deleter?

as i understand it, each faction’s deleter can only delete one NPC the whole game

if they target a player they will fail and can keep going until they hit an NPC

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:07 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:10 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
por que

I have read about 10% of this thread but Scotty has, on a couple of occasions, looked like a player who wants to look like he's being calm and collected.

This is not a highly informed vote.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:09 pm**

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:13 pm**

"Each faction has a Scout and a Deleter. The scout can target a player every night to find out if they are a real player. The deleter gets to remove one player from the game if they aren't a real player. They can target every night but as soon as they land one, they cannot use the role again."

I had this backwards. Can we assume the deleters have both used up their ability?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:14 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:49 pm Do you want me to solve or not? If you do, then I suggest you quit trying to get my vote off Ran.

Slay Queen

(for the record i think Ran is townsiding if an NPC or town if a player.)

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:14 pm**

Only one deleter has been used, unless there was a crosskill. I find it highly unlikely that there was a crosskill though.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:16 pm**

ran is like, the most obvious wolf in the game

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:17 pm**

Oh yeah. They got me dead to rights when I crossed out dead players on a reposted VC.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:17 pm**

is what i would say if i were trying to wolfside

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:18 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:43 pm "They post no content as town" is not a defense to me; that just makes me feel better about yeeting them if they're town. Yeeting everyone who posts no content and doesn't help town is generally a winning strategy and one of the cornerstones of how I play.

I am not sure what about Wilgy's point would be "valid." Interacting with wolves is not good, unless you think you have a clever bait to get them to spew more wolves. Usually people do not like it much when I interact with people I am scumreading, because that interaction consists of calling them a wolf and saying they should be voted out. If you'd prefer a different target, I'm going to need reasons - better ones than "they post no content as town" and a wolfier target.

Ranmila a townie is a townie, if you disagree with the playstyle that doesn't make that player not/less important.
Every single townie counts and trying to read the players harder to read is important in any game.
I rarely saw town winning when town went for policy like you are advocating in this game.

You pushed me and sheeped Nanook who's vote wasn't even serious and now you're pushing Wilgy and I asked you twice about why him and no other player low posting if the idea to kill a low poster is so dear to you.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:21 pm**

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:14 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:49 pm Do you want me to solve or not? If you do, then I suggest you quit trying to get my vote off Ran.
Slay Queen

(for the record i think Ran is townsiding if an NPC or town if a player.)

This is very possible

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:22 pm**

katze wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:17 pm is what i would say if i were trying to wolfside

Maybe you are

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:23 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:22 pm
katze wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:17 pm is what i would say if i were trying to wolfside
Maybe you are

me? never

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:27 pm**

Naw. Policy wins games. Gotta hold people to some standard. If you reward people for having an antitown meta, that just makes them more likely to be antitown in future games and makes it harder to sort them when they are actually a wolf.

Check SCI which I linked a bit ago, we spent the first three days policying people who all flipped town, then destroyed the wolves when they had no one to hide behind. (This is not a completely accurate summary of the game, but the policy part worked out).

The better question is - why NOT Wilgy? There certainly are other good votes, but why is the Wilgy push getting so much resistance?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:29 pm**

(for the record the behavior of some of those SCI policies definitely hardened my heart coming into this game. I don't have time or energy to waste trying to work through whether someone who posts "fart" five times is town or mafia, just kill them, if too many town act that way then town will lose and deservedly so. But usually it is wolves who act that way.)

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:30 pm**

ran u would never policy me for posting fart 5 times...... would u?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:31 pm**

Simply because i consider his posts pretty good

I already said when I found good posts from him.

Pushing just Wilgy means we don't look at the others.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:32 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:31 pm Simply because i consider his posts pretty good

I already said when I found good posts from him.

Pushing just Wilgy means we don't look at the others.

Then we are in accord and I encourage you to keep on keepin on.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:32 pm**

I have the opposite POV to Ranmilia i've seen town lose a bunch of games due to policy lynches zzz.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm**

Anyone else really wanna post fart

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:43 pm "They post no content as town" is not a defense to me; that just makes me feel better about yeeting them if they're town. Yeeting everyone who posts no content and doesn't help town is generally a winning strategy and one of the cornerstones of how I play.

I am not sure what about Wilgy's point would be "valid." Interacting with wolves is not good, unless you think you have a clever bait to get them to spew more wolves. Usually people do not like it much when I interact with people I am scumreading, because that interaction consists of calling them a wolf and saying they should be voted out. If you'd prefer a different target, I'm going to need reasons - better ones than "they post no content as town" and a wolfier target.

If all you do when you interact with people you're scumreading is call them a wolf and saying they should be voted out, that is of course generally not... mmm... how to say... well, my point is that of course nobody likes it. It doesnt provide dialog or the opportunity for the person being scumread to change your mind.

Additionally, by your logic, any low poster is wolfy right now. So any of them could be considered a wolfy target, and yet we are still sitting ass on wilgy. What do you hope to get out of it? (Your answer is "a wolf, obviously, you stupid idiot porscha" but I'd like to know where the line is being drawn on why you insist on focusing on wilgy when you could also be making cases on the other people youd be willing to vote and seeing reactions to those instead of sitting on wagon not achieving much by way of player reaction testing, vote reaction, etc...)

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm**

Neon probs player, tentatively town on a quick skim. Porscha maybe NPC but likely town if PC.
Ranmilia wagon looks pure mostly.

Quite possibly a bunch of scum among nonvoters but phoneplaying so it‘ll be a slow chore to look further and it‘s killing my motivation (or WIM as you fancily call it)

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:34 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:29 pm (for the record the behavior of some of those SCI policies definitely hardened my heart coming into this game. I don't have time or energy to waste trying to work through whether someone who posts "fart" five times is town or mafia, just kill them, if too many town act that way then town will lose and deservedly so. But usually it is wolves who act that way.)

Let's not exagerate, this fart example cannot be applied to Wilgy.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:35 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:27 pm Naw. Policy wins games. Gotta hold people to some standard. If you reward people for having an antitown meta, that just makes them more likely to be antitown in future games and makes it harder to sort them when they are actually a wolf.

Check SCI which I linked a bit ago, we spent the first three days policying people who all flipped town, then destroyed the wolves when they had no one to hide behind. (This is not a completely accurate summary of the game, but the policy part worked out).

The better question is - why NOT Wilgy? There certainly are other good votes, but why is the Wilgy push getting so much resistance?

Because town wilgy can play like this and still be a boon to his town team.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:35 pm**

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm Anyone else really wanna post fart

its taking all of my 3 active braincells to stop me from doing so.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:36 pm**

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:35 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm Anyone else really wanna post fart
its taking all of my 3 active braincells to stop me from doing so.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:36 pm**

[VOTE: @RondoDimBuckle ] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:37 pm**

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle ] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:40 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:31 pm Simply because i consider his posts pretty good

I already said when I found good posts from him.

Pushing just Wilgy means we don't look at the others.
Then we are in accord and I encourage you to keep on keepin on.

There is a nuance between your stance and mine.

I wouldn't call that accord, but i will keep trying to find the wolves.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:40 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:43 pm "They post no content as town" is not a defense to me; that just makes me feel better about yeeting them if they're town. Yeeting everyone who posts no content and doesn't help town is generally a winning strategy and one of the cornerstones of how I play.

I am not sure what about Wilgy's point would be "valid." Interacting with wolves is not good, unless you think you have a clever bait to get them to spew more wolves. Usually people do not like it much when I interact with people I am scumreading, because that interaction consists of calling them a wolf and saying they should be voted out. If you'd prefer a different target, I'm going to need reasons - better ones than "they post no content as town" and a wolfier target.
If all you do when you interact with people you're scumreading is call them a wolf and saying they should be voted out, that is of course generally not... mmm... how to say... well, my point is that of course nobody likes it. It doesnt provide dialog or the opportunity for the person being scumread to change your mind.

Additionally, by your logic, any low poster is wolfy right now. So any of them could be considered a wolfy target, and yet we are still sitting ass on wilgy. What do you hope to get out of it? (Your answer is "a wolf, obviously, you stupid idiot porscha" but I'd like to know where the line is being drawn on why you insist on focusing on wilgy when you could also be making cases on the other people youd be willing to vote and seeing reactions to those instead of sitting on wagon not achieving much by way of player reaction testing, vote reaction, etc...)

Because staying on a target consistently A. produces more useful reactions and content and B. is much more likely to follow through and kill them if they are actually a wolf. People's jimmies are rustled, people are posting takes and getting serious about whether they're pro wilgy or anti wilgy. Jumping around between a bunch of cases in my experience diffuses player attention and lets wolves slip by treating it as "just another rando case that will pass by in a few hours." I have the opposite take on how this has turned out, I think sitting on Wilgy has generated a great amount of valuable content and reactions and achieved quite a lot of value, whereas hopping around would not have.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:42 pm**

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:32 pm I have the opposite POV to Ranmilia i've seen town lose a bunch of games due to policy lynches zzz.

As to this though

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:49 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:42 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:32 pm I have the opposite POV to Ranmilia i've seen town lose a bunch of games due to policy lynches zzz.
As to this though

They mischopped Jack? Do you think that was ok?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:50 pm**

Anyway talking generalities or old games will not help this game

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:53 pm**

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:35 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm Anyone else really wanna post fart
its taking all of my 3 active braincells to stop me from doing so.

ahh the melody of gassy hydrocarburs
a rocket is no different but the outlet is uniform

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:13 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:58 pm I still think sloonei is bad, and when he’s still here after the great purge of ‘3, you might want to go for him
Detail this to me. Sloonei ISO was not long, so I took a peek. The thing that stands out is there's like 1-3 real posts between almost a full page of shitposting.

I could honestly see it from a sleeping town or wolf. The fact that it's not complete malarkey I think slightly implies the slot is a player.

Exactly. I don’t see that as an NPC. That’s a player trying to skate by. I don’t get any town vibes from this sloonei.

Ergo..

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:16 pm**

Ran, bringing up that game hurts me.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:16 pm**

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Thots.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:29 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:16 pm Ran, bringing up that game hurts me.

Were you involved with it? I don't recall seeing you around, maybe another nickname?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:30 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:16 pm Ran, bringing up that game hurts me.
Were you involved with it? I don't recall seeing you around, maybe another nickname?

I'm Bladescape.

I'm literally in one of the screencaps.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:37 pm**

... You're Bladescape!

I did not know this. Apologies for the trauma then :P

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:44 pm**

I don't get why you bring that game, is not even a town win...

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:45 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:16 pm Ran, bringing up that game hurts me.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:46 pm**

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:31 pm

More like a moonshower with elevated concentrations of wackyness

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:46 pm**

Who can post the VC?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:48 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:44 pm I don't get why you bring that game, is not even a town win...

That's the point. The last wolf was Chilly and he literally stopped posting. Town should've voted out "Chilly (0)" and instead tied themselves in knots because "we don't want to just policy a 0 poster" and let him live all the way to the end and lost. It was as simple as that.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:49 pm**

Also not to give away the game here but my vote may not end up on Wilgy. We got a lot of good content though.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:54 pm**

nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:55 pm**

katze, given everything you've seen here: who wolf?

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:56 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:48 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:44 pm I don't get why you bring that game, is not even a town win...
That's the point. The last wolf was Chilly and he literally stopped posting. Town should've voted out "Chilly (0)" and instead tied themselves in knots because "we don't want to just policy a 0 poster" and let him live all the way to the end and lost. It was as simple as that.

There is more than that. Town and only town mischopped Jack. That deserves a punishment by itself.
Also you said in this game that Nanook has good reads and sheeped him against me. The last VC of that game shows he is human and makes mistakes.
Don't always trust others' opinions, check that opinion yourself

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