The Syndicate

And as an added bonus:

Thank you LC!

So...that last vote there for Wilgy to break the Synonym tie 10 minutes before the thread was locked....doesn't look so good for BWT.

Discuss.

Scotty wrote:Thank you LC!

So...that last vote there for Wilgy to break the Synonym tie 10 minutes before the thread was locked....doesn't look so good for BWT.

Discuss.

Maybe I will discuss it. Maybe I won't discuss it.

I would even go so far as to say it looks horrendous for Synonym.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Scotty wrote:Thank you LC!

So...that last vote there for Wilgy to break the Synonym tie 10 minutes before the thread was locked....doesn't look so good for BWT.

Discuss.

Maybe I will discuss it. Maybe I won't discuss it.

It doesn't look great for poor Synonym.

Well I'll start us off.

Voting Synonym until further notice.

DharmaHelper wrote:It doesn't look great for poor Synonym.

Or TH for that matter.

voting synonym, though, because yeah.

Maybe I'll vote Synonym. Maybe not.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry I still haven't been around much. Working in retail on a national holiday weekend isn't the most fun/exciting of times. I work early tomorrow, and then have the following 2 days off. I promise I am keeping up, but due to lack of time and energy, I'm not contributing much. Hopefully in the next 24-48 hours, I will be able to start changing that.

I agree with what llama just said. All these Synonym votes from out of nowhere feel very off to me. I will not be voting for him at this time.

I also will not be voting for TH at this time. The case against him from Scotty actually makes me feel it's more likely TH is neutral.

Wilgy on the other hand survives a lynch via a switch, and then just happens to be "silenced" today. I didn't think a potential teammate of Bubbles would defend her the way he did, but given what has happened since EoD on Day 6, I no longer feel as confident about Wilgy as I did before. I think it more like he's Captain Uzi or on that team.

Votes DrWilgy

Linkis galore: I'm fine ending the lynch before 1AM if all the votes are in earlier. Or even most of them. Mine is about to be in anyway. :P

I think you are bad, and that you miraculously got through Day 1 unscathed isn't really talked about enough.

There's something stinky from all 3 of TH, BWT and Syn.

Syn I know from JTM, once he gets going, can be a force to help baddie hunt.

I am not seeing that this game. Even though it's a fucking beast to get into, and he subbed in a little bit ago, he hasn't given us anything to work with. It's not like he subbed in yesterday.

Scotty wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry I still haven't been around much. Working in retail on a national holiday weekend isn't the most fun/exciting of times. I work early tomorrow, and then have the following 2 days off. I promise I am keeping up, but due to lack of time and energy, I'm not contributing much. Hopefully in the next 24-48 hours, I will be able to start changing that.

I agree with what llama just said. All these Synonym votes from out of nowhere feel very off to me. I will not be voting for him at this time.

I also will not be voting for TH at this time. The case against him from Scotty actually makes me feel it's more likely TH is neutral.

Wilgy on the other hand survives a lynch via a switch, and then just happens to be "silenced" today. I didn't think a potential teammate of Bubbles would defend her the way he did, but given what has happened since EoD on Day 6, I no longer feel as confident about Wilgy as I did before. I think it more like he's Captain Uzi or on that team.

Votes DrWilgy

Linkis galore: I'm fine ending the lynch before 1AM if all the votes are in earlier. Or even most of them. Mine is about to be in anyway. :P

I think you are bad, and that you miraculously got through Day 1 unscathed isn't really talked about enough.

There's something stinky from all 3 of TH, BWT and Syn.

Syn I know from JTM, once he gets going, can be a force to help baddie hunt.

I am not seeing that this game. Even though it's a fucking beast to get into, and he subbed in a little bit ago, he hasn't given us anything to work with. It's not like he subbed in yesterday.

MAYBE you're on point. Maybe not.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Scotty wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry I still haven't been around much. Working in retail on a national holiday weekend isn't the most fun/exciting of times. I work early tomorrow, and then have the following 2 days off. I promise I am keeping up, but due to lack of time and energy, I'm not contributing much. Hopefully in the next 24-48 hours, I will be able to start changing that.

I agree with what llama just said. All these Synonym votes from out of nowhere feel very off to me. I will not be voting for him at this time.

I also will not be voting for TH at this time. The case against him from Scotty actually makes me feel it's more likely TH is neutral.

Wilgy on the other hand survives a lynch via a switch, and then just happens to be "silenced" today. I didn't think a potential teammate of Bubbles would defend her the way he did, but given what has happened since EoD on Day 6, I no longer feel as confident about Wilgy as I did before. I think it more like he's Captain Uzi or on that team.

Votes DrWilgy

Linkis galore: I'm fine ending the lynch before 1AM if all the votes are in earlier. Or even most of them. Mine is about to be in anyway. :P

I think you are bad, and that you miraculously got through Day 1 unscathed isn't really talked about enough.

There's something stinky from all 3 of TH, BWT and Syn.

Syn I know from JTM, once he gets going, can be a force to help baddie hunt.

I am not seeing that this game. Even though it's a fucking beast to get into, and he subbed in a little bit ago, he hasn't given us anything to work with. It's not like he subbed in yesterday.

MAYBE you're on point. Maybe not.

I feel as though you're poised to reward me with dog treats or something. Which, btw, do not taste great. Edible when you're in a bind, but not great.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:First off, I'm checking in for the first time.

Secondly, if this is how much talk we're going to get on Day 0, my work schedule will not be very conducive to this game. Which has me worried already.

But that's okay. I'll just night-kill the highest poster every night since they're all on competing baddie teams.

hehe


Ok I'm off to bed. I said I wouldn't tunnel as much this phase, and I meant it. It's rather hard for me to look at an objective ISO of someone when I'm got an opinion of someone.
How JJJ and Rico could do it just to do it is beyond me.

Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

Scotty I don't like your current posts.

I apologize for not voting. I would NOT have voted for Wilgy though. That lynch train stunk from the start.

I am considering voting for one of the following (in no particular order):
TH
Scotty
Synonym

Thoughts folks?

I should clarify, the thread was locked so I COULDN'T vote... *grumblegrumble*

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

It's bea's lack of content that makes me think she's bad, it's the change from her earlier play style that makes me think she was recruited. I wouldn't have brought her up if I thought she was civ, but honestly recruits of any kind are my enemy right now, so

Which recent events are you referring to?

Spacedaisy wrote:Scotty I don't like your current posts.

I apologize for not voting. I would NOT have voted for Wilgy though. That lynch train stunk from the start.

I am considering voting for one of the following (in no particular order):
TH
Scotty
Synonym

Thoughts folks?

How oddly non-specific. Care to comment on which ones?

Also, we share the same suspicion of TH and Syn, so...uh...is it my tone or something you don't like?

Spacedaisy wrote:Registering a vote for Llama

Since this was your last post...4 days ago...what happened to this case from you? Is Llama no longer a suspect? And if not, why?

Scotty wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Scotty I don't like your current posts.

I apologize for not voting. I would NOT have voted for Wilgy though. That lynch train stunk from the start.

I am considering voting for one of the following (in no particular order):
TH
Scotty
Synonym

Thoughts folks?

How oddly non-specific. Care to comment on which ones?

Also, we share the same suspicion of TH and Syn, so...uh...is it my tone or something you don't like?

Spacedaisy wrote:Registering a vote for Llama

Since this was your last post...4 days ago...what happened to this case from you? Is Llama no longer a suspect? And if not, why?

No, I do not care to comment.

I still suspect llama. I would be comfortable adding him to that list.

Turnip Head wrote:

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

It's bea's lack of content that makes me think she's bad, it's the change from her earlier play style that makes me think she was recruited. I wouldn't have brought her up if I thought she was civ, but honestly recruits of any kind are my enemy right now, so

Which recent events are you referring to?

The Wilgy lynch, the short night, the SVS death. You know, the last bunch of things that happened. You were in position to benefit from the closed thread and the sudden move to Synonym, so I'd curious to hear your thoughts on things.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Scotty I don't like your current posts.

I apologize for not voting. I would NOT have voted for Wilgy though. That lynch train stunk from the start.

I am considering voting for one of the following (in no particular order):
TH
Scotty
Synonym

Thoughts folks?

How oddly non-specific. Care to comment on which ones?

Also, we share the same suspicion of TH and Syn, so...uh...is it my tone or something you don't like?

Spacedaisy wrote:Registering a vote for Llama

Since this was your last post...4 days ago...what happened to this case from you? Is Llama no longer a suspect? And if not, why?

No, I do not care to comment.

I still suspect llama. I would be comfortable adding him to that list.

I'm not sure what I've done to attract your ire, but since you're choosing not to explain yourself, I'm just going to ignore the accusation and pretend it never happened.

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

It's bea's lack of content that makes me think she's bad, it's the change from her earlier play style that makes me think she was recruited. I wouldn't have brought her up if I thought she was civ, but honestly recruits of any kind are my enemy right now, so

Which recent events are you referring to?

The Wilgy lynch, the short night, the SVS death. You know, the last bunch of things that happened. You were in position to benefit from the closed thread and the sudden move to Synonym, so I'd curious to hear your thoughts on things.

I think that WIlgy was lynched because he wrongly defended a baddie and people didn't want to think too hard about why he did that. I think the short night was caused by the Supreme Judge, who is probably on Caelia's team because Caelia's kill went through, and I think Caelia killed SVS because s/he suspected her. I think the thread was locked because why not. I don't know how you think I benefited from people voting for Synonym when Wilgy was the one who ended up lynched. I think whoever voted for Syn did not suspect either Wilgy or me. I've never played with Syn before and he's not posting at all so I don't really have an opinion on him. Hope that answers your question.

Turnip Head wrote:

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

It's bea's lack of content that makes me think she's bad, it's the change from her earlier play style that makes me think she was recruited. I wouldn't have brought her up if I thought she was civ, but honestly recruits of any kind are my enemy right now, so

Which recent events are you referring to?

The Wilgy lynch, the short night, the SVS death. You know, the last bunch of things that happened. You were in position to benefit from the closed thread and the sudden move to Synonym, so I'd curious to hear your thoughts on things.

I think that WIlgy was lynched because he wrongly defended a baddie and people didn't want to think too hard about why he did that. I think the short night was caused by the Supreme Judge, who is probably on Caelia's team because Caelia's kill went through, and I think Caelia killed SVS because s/he suspected her. I think the thread was locked because why not. I don't know how you think I benefited from people voting for Synonym when Wilgy was the one who ended up lynched. I think whoever voted for Syn did not suspect either Wilgy or me. I've never played with Syn before and he's not posting at all so I don't really have an opinion on him. Hope that answers your question.

I think it would be a misnomer to assume that roles just use their powers for no reason. You've brought this up before about the lynch switch. I'd like to think people use their powers for a purpose. And if that purpose is to create chaos, then that's hardly a civ-mindset.
Take The Supreme Judge, for instance. He could have used his position 4 and 5 by now, but he hasn't. Why not? I mean, because why not, right?


OK, really going to bed. I swear.

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think that WIlgy was lynched because he wrongly defended a baddie and people didn't want to think too hard about why he did that. I think the short night was caused by the Supreme Judge, who is probably on Caelia's team because Caelia's kill went through, and I think Caelia killed SVS because s/he suspected her. I think the thread was locked because why not. I don't know how you think I benefited from people voting for Synonym when Wilgy was the one who ended up lynched. I think whoever voted for Syn did not suspect either Wilgy or me. I've never played with Syn before and he's not posting at all so I don't really have an opinion on him. Hope that answers your question.

I think it would be a misnomer to assume that roles just use their powers for no reason. You've brought this up before about the lynch switch. I'd like to think people use their powers for a purpose. And if that purpose is to create chaos, then that's hardly a civ-mindset.

I doubt Ubuntu is playing with a civ-mindset.

RIP Wilgy.

RIPIYWG SVS (or should I say IHYWR , DH?)

I'm not sure how to interpret Ubzigot's lockdown precisely. The initial deadline was at 8am (sorry, I'll just use my time zone, it's too early to make conversions) for me, so the maximum window of opportunity for lockdown was starting 2am, right? BR requested the Day shortening at 2:09, BWT made it 7 vs 6 at 2:10 and LC locked it at 2:20. That could both mean Ubzy locked it after 2am (maximum window) or as soon as everyone was fine with the Day shortening (reduced window). If such things, plus the last valid votes, would have happened later into the Day, I would have gotten the impression that Ubzala is not ok with the current wagons (ie one of his mates is tangled in it) and is rather bidding his time. But everything fits with his window of opportunity opening regardless, so who knows.

BWT being on Ubzoid team and breaking the tie together with Ubzeeth locking things would be a really "nincompoop-ish" move for him. Like handing a "Hello, I'm bad" business card to everyone. Maybe he's on the other team and got clipped, but it could also be made to look real bad for him. Worth mulling over. I'd have to check the consistency of BWT's posts, too, although my feel during the last few days was that he's not giving us a lot (or doesn't have time to). Plus, he's one of the remaining few from D1 who could be either Uzbekistan or Jilted Lover (BWT, Canuck, Rico-but-I'm-not-it , Russ/Syn, Tranq).

Again, the timing of the EoD events isn't ideal for a verdict that Ubzech waited long for something in the Wilg vs Syn dynamic to change, but there's still a chance him locking after BWT broke the tie could be telling, hence this looking like Synonym would be under his wing. Plus, I still suspect and could vote Syn again.

I have to drop by work now, so more thoughts later.

P.S.: Wilgy had a lot of tracks and an alignment check, so maybe we should try to read back into his posts.

Being perfectly honest, I have been trying to appear scummy. I am unaligned and wished to keep it that way. Yesterday's vote was the first chance I've had this game to really get a feel for the baddies by making myself the bait. As very few of you have had any experience playing with me in the past I wanted to see the justifications that would be made to lynch me.

I remain unimpressed.

I am curious though at how quickly Scotty turned the lynch results around on me today. "That last minute vote shift looks bad for Synonym" implying that mafia were forced to save a member from lynch.

I've been wallflowering about as hard as humanly possible so it's supremely unlikely that mafia would risk exposing an active player (DH I think cast the tie-breaker?) to save me.

I have also been having a running discussion with LC over night actions. I have missed every single deadline thus far due to time differences. I have subsequently learned that I'm allowed to submit actions in advance of the phase change.

So, by all means lynch me today. As I said, I'm unaligned so my death will not hurt the civilian quota, however it won't diminish the mafia's either. I can also say that if I were to be recruited by mafia I'd expose myself to the thread and anyone I learned about. As you will be able to read in my bio for Roxy's upcoming game, I abhor being mafia.

BWT broke the tie.

Synonym wrote: I can also say that if I were to be recruited by mafia I'd expose myself to the thread and anyone I learned about.

That's not allowed.

Ricochet wrote:BWT broke the tie.

Synonym wrote: I can also say that if I were to be recruited by mafia I'd expose myself to the thread and anyone I learned about.

That's not allowed.

I did not see anything in the rules that says alignments cannot be revealed.

Black Rock wrote:Rules

1. EPIC CHALLENGES will not be shared in any way (BTSC or thread) before completion. We will be monitoring all BTSC, violators will be mod-killed without prejudice. After completion you may ask the hosts if it is ok to share.

2. No illegal BTSC. This means communicating outside designated areas without permission. If you need to communicate outside designated areas then you may ask the hosts for permission. Violators will be mod-killed without prejudice.

3. No bullshit. This means this is a game. Treat as such. I love all my players and expect each and everyone to be treated with respect. No disrespectful behaviour will be tolerated. Don't be an ass.

4. If you are dead you may speak in dead red, you may not speak ontopic at all. If you are night killed you may not even say "GO CIVS"

5. All official PM's need to be sent to both hosts. We both need to know what is going on as we are working around our work schedules and our own business. If you don't follow this rule and your PM gets missed that's your fault.

6. If you guys can't get a long please direct things via PM to us or our neighbourhood mod. We got a good one and bullshit will be worked out behind closed doors.

7. No role outing. Honestly it says nothing about your alignment so shut up about it. Info dumping is a bit sticky. Don't assume it's an info dump, people lie. Don't say I'm such and such role and I know blah blah because I was on position *insert number here*... so there. I will slap you if you do.

8. No reproducing the host PMs in thread. This is an old rule, know it.

9. Have fun guys, it's important to my street cred.The devil

The closest rule would be role outing, but I haven't revealed my card nor do I intend to. I would also not be revealing an epic challenge nor would I be engaging in any illegal BTSC.

In regular games role outing includes alignment outing, because if you out a role (just to be clear, by role I mean "character"), that role is aligned (civ / mafia / 3p). BR's mention was that, in this game, role outing doesn't happen to automatically reveal alignment (except for the four leaders), because of the recruited/unrecruited second dimension of the game. I still wouldn't recommend playing with this loophole much, though; or, at all.

You cannot out yourself as part of the mafia (out of disdain for being recruited as such), except if you're begging for a modkill or surrending under lynch pressure (you don't seem to imply that, though). However, you can certainly not, assuming "exposing ... anyone you learn about" means your mafia teammantes (in that scenario) or any other role checks (in any scenario whatsoever), out anyone else's alignment. That would mean blowing up the entire game.

I recommend clarifying this with the Hosts in private. Meanwhile, I don't intend for your meta remark to weigh much in my assessment of your claim, because nobody around here blows up or gives up when rolling mafia, just because they hate it. Play your part, it's all I'm saying.

Ricochet wrote:In regular games role outing includes alignment outing, because if you out a role (just to be clear, by role I mean "character"), that role is aligned (civ / mafia / 3p). BR's mention was that, in this game, role outing doesn't happen to automatically reveal alignment (except for the four leaders), because of the recruited/unrecruited second dimension of the game. I still wouldn't recommend playing with this loophole much, though; or, at all.

You cannot out yourself as part of the mafia (out of disdain for being recruited as such), except if you're begging for a modkill or surrending under lynch pressure (you don't seem to imply that, though). However, you can certainly not, assuming "exposing ... anyone you learn about" means your mafia teammantes (in that scenario) or any other role checks (in any scenario whatsoever), out anyone else's alignment. That would mean blowing up the entire game.

I recommend clarifying this with the Hosts in private. Meanwhile, I don't intend for your meta remark to weigh much in my assessment of your claim, because nobody around here blows up or gives up when rolling mafia, just because they hate it. Play your part, it's all I'm saying.

This is valuable insight into the differences in site dynamics. I'm happy to abide by the spirit of the game but the threat of outing teammates is as much a defense against recruitment as my play style to date.

Got it, but a reminder that recruiting isn't always manual. You can avoid sending any competition efforts when the prize is being recruited by a mafia team, for instance, but at other times recruitings are not controlled. If it happens to you (or already happened ), you have to handle it.

Wow, sorry Wilgy. I was pretty certain he was bad. The way it went down makes me wonder if Ubzerbaijan knew Wilgy was a civ recruit. Speaking of civs, I hope Caelia is smarter than me because I kinda felt like I was seeing characteristics of a civ-SVS.

Spacedaisy wrote:I should clarify, the thread was locked so I COULDN'T vote... *grumblegrumble*

Happened to me last time we were in the thread lock position. I had a nice post typed up as well.

DharmaHelper wrote:
MAYBE you're on point. Maybe not.

Anybody else think maybe DH is cursed? Maybe he isn't though. Someone would've had to have got their PM in quick from the look of things.

Ricochet wrote: I'm not sure how to interpret Ubzigot's lockdown precisely. The initial deadline was at 8am (sorry, I'll just use my time zone, it's too early to make conversions) for me, so the maximum window of opportunity for lockdown was starting 2am, right? BR requested the Day shortening at 2:09, BWT made it 7 vs 6 at 2:10 and LC locked it at 2:20. That could both mean Ubzy locked it after 2am (maximum window) or as soon as everyone was fine with the Day shortening (reduced window). If such things, plus the last valid votes, would have happened later into the Day, I would have gotten the impression that Ubzala is not ok with the current wagons (ie one of his mates is tangled in it) and is rather bidding his time. But everything fits with his window of opportunity opening regardless, so who knows.

I would imagine that Ubzigzagoon decided to lock the thread both when the maximum window of opportunity opened AND when it was clear Wilgy had a lead in votes.

Ricochet wrote:BWT being on Ubzoid team and breaking the tie together with Ubzeeth locking things would be a really "nincompoop-ish" move for him. Like handing a "Hello, I'm bad" business card to everyone. Maybe he's on the other team and got clipped, but it could also be made to look real bad for him. Worth mulling over. I'd have to check the consistency of BWT's posts, too, although my feel during the last few days was that he's not giving us a lot (or doesn't have time to). Plus, he's one of the remaining few from D1 who could be either Uzbekistan or Jilted Lover (BWT, Canuck, Rico-but-I'm-not-it , Russ/Syn, Tranq).

The amount of time between the vote and the lock is the only reason it could look suspicious IMO. What do you mean about "the remaining few from D1..."?

Ricochet wrote:Again, the timing of the EoD events isn't ideal for a verdict that Ubzech waited long for something in the Wilg vs Syn dynamic to change, but there's still a chance him locking after BWT broke the tie could be telling, hence this looking like Synonym would be under his wing. Plus, I still suspect and could vote Syn again.

This is an interesting angle. I had been looking at it from the approach of "Ubzagubza wanted Wilgy in particular to be dead", but it's entirely possible that Ubzwubzy might have also wanted to protect someone - or look like he was protecting someone.

Ricochet wrote:P.S.: Wilgy had a lot of tracks and an alignment check, so maybe we should try to read back into his posts.

I'll have a go. Last time I reread him I'd already condemned him in my mind, so going back over with a entirely new perspective might be useful.

Synonym wrote:Being perfectly honest, I have been trying to appear scummy. I am unaligned and wished to keep it that way. Yesterday's vote was the first chance I've had this game to really get a feel for the baddies by making myself the bait. As very few of you have had any experience playing with me in the past I wanted to see the justifications that would be made to lynch me.

I remain unimpressed.

I am curious though at how quickly Scotty turned the lynch results around on me today. "That last minute vote shift looks bad for Synonym" implying that mafia were forced to save a member from lynch.

I've been wallflowering about as hard as humanly possible so it's supremely unlikely that mafia would risk exposing an active player (DH I think cast the tie-breaker?) to save me.

You do realise saying "AHA! You thought I was bad because I wanted you to think that, it was all part of my cunning plan to bait the actual baddies" isn't much of a defense at all, especially when you don't point out the baddies you've allegedly baited? Nor is the implication that you've been deliberately wallflowering. If that were the case you'd be able to answer my previous question about what you think of anyone not named SVS. Especially now she's dead. It'll be interesting to see where you go from here.

Synonym wrote:So, by all means lynch me today. As I said, I'm unaligned so my death will not hurt the civilian quota, however it won't diminish the mafia's either. I can also say that if I were to be recruited by mafia I'd expose myself to the thread and anyone I learned about. As you will be able to read in my bio for Roxy's upcoming game, I abhor being mafia.

You'd intentionally ruin the game for a lot of people out of spite for not being on the team you wanted?

I think Synonym was definitely being saved yesterday, so he gets my vote today.

Some stuff came up last night and when I checked the thread it was locked. Sucks to lose Wilgy, a very useful role to have for the civvies.

I guess the Keeper showing up means they have completed their epic challenge. The timing seems to fit. Hi keeper!

Synonym wrote:I have also been having a running discussion with LC over night actions. I have missed every single deadline thus far due to time differences. I have subsequently learned that I'm allowed to submit actions in advance of the phase change.

So, by all means lynch me today. As I said, I'm unaligned so my death will not hurt the civilian quota, however it won't diminish the mafia's either. I can also say that if I were to be recruited by mafia I'd expose myself to the thread and anyone I learned about. As you will be able to read in my bio for Roxy's upcoming game, I abhor being mafia.

How can time zones prevent you from submitting PMs? Nights are roughly a full day so this sounds like bullshit to me. And threatening to expose your team and ruin the game for everyone (because who wants to win or lose like that?) is fucking pathetic and if I were hosting this game I would modkill you for even seriously considering it. I don't know where you have played Mafia before but if that is your attitude you can kindly fuck off.

Voting Synonym

Bullzeye, from the people who, at least on record (i.e. not knowing if manipulated votes influenced and what), were in a tie on D1, Epignosis, Golden, MP, Unfurl, SVS and Wilgy are dead, so there are fewer remaining candidates alive, that's what I meant. [Of course, SVS could technically have been Ubzargan, but we'd need confirmation of him not being active anymore first.]

P.S.: Oh, I forgot DH in that "remaining few Ub/Jilt" list.

aapje, I have not seen any game so far in which a baddie blows up his team, so yeah, I can't imagine that being kosher anywhere. I think TGG threatened, after a game here, to blow up any game in the future, but that was because of conflicts about some mechanics (bringing back dead players as replacements), it wasn't in-game. I have, however, seen on JTM (where Syn plays and where I played with him once) baddies conceding when doomed to be lynched, either by breaking character or just throwing their hands in the air. It's different compared to us holding on to our defense until the bitter end, when bad, but it's something that can happen. Speaking of TGG, people should check his "mad exit" from the Teen Wolf game I also played. It was epic.

This is just for reference, of course. I would not approve of him doing either of those in here, as well.

Synonym wrote:

Ricochet wrote:BWT broke the tie.

Synonym wrote: I can also say that if I were to be recruited by mafia I'd expose myself to the thread and anyone I learned about.

That's not allowed.

I did not see anything in the rules that says alignments cannot be revealed.

Black Rock wrote:Rules

1. EPIC CHALLENGES will not be shared in any way (BTSC or thread) before completion. We will be monitoring all BTSC, violators will be mod-killed without prejudice. After completion you may ask the hosts if it is ok to share.

2. No illegal BTSC. This means communicating outside designated areas without permission. If you need to communicate outside designated areas then you may ask the hosts for permission. Violators will be mod-killed without prejudice.

3. No bullshit. This means this is a game. Treat as such. I love all my players and expect each and everyone to be treated with respect. No disrespectful behaviour will be tolerated. Don't be an ass.

4. If you are dead you may speak in dead red, you may not speak ontopic at all. If you are night killed you may not even say "GO CIVS"

5. All official PM's need to be sent to both hosts. We both need to know what is going on as we are working around our work schedules and our own business. If you don't follow this rule and your PM gets missed that's your fault.

6. If you guys can't get a long please direct things via PM to us or our neighbourhood mod. We got a good one and bullshit will be worked out behind closed doors.

7. No role outing. Honestly it says nothing about your alignment so shut up about it. Info dumping is a bit sticky. Don't assume it's an info dump, people lie. Don't say I'm such and such role and I know blah blah because I was on position *insert number here*... so there. I will slap you if you do.

8. No reproducing the host PMs in thread. This is an old rule, know it.

9. Have fun guys, it's important to my street cred.The devil

The closest rule would be role outing, but I haven't revealed my card nor do I intend to. I would also not be revealing an epic challenge nor would I be engaging in any illegal BTSC.

Oooooo quoting my rules and using semantics. Exposing a team is against the rules and a quick edit will now include alignment. No info dropping, I will have the rules hard lined.

Synonym wrote:I'm happy to abide by the spirit of the game but the threat of outing teammates is as much a defense against recruitment as my play style to date.

Rule clarifications notwithstanding, I found this to be quite palatable. Players can say many things within the rules without breaking any.

I like the cut of your job Syn, when you're only threatning to do something. If you were to ever follow through, my opinion would change instantly. You have to play the role you're given.

And grats on getting aapje to actually finally care about something in this game

Cut of your "jib". My iPhone has a mind of its own.

Whoa boy. I think I have something on Bugbzargy, but it would be a bit inopportune this phase, considering he has an advantageous day for himself due to position 1.

What say you? Shall we discuss it anyway?

Ricochet wrote:Whoa boy. I think I have something on Bugbzargy, but it would be a bit inopportune this phase, considering he has an advantageous day for himself due to position 1.

What say you? Shall we discuss it anyway?

Go for it. We can discuss away and lynch him tomorrow. Now that you've put it out there you kinda have to or he might kill you tonight just to be safe.

Yeah I know. :P I honestly don't care that much if him (if I'm right) or the real Ubcoy (if I'm wrong) (for WIFOM) will deal with me, I made it pretty clear I'm not optimistic of surviving the game unrecruited and I expect any Night from now on to be my second dance with death.

Plus maybe other roles can join forces (except if they're aligned with him, of course). For instance, I'm noticing the Warden of the Inner Eye could potentially nulify his role.

Ok, I'll prep the case in a jiffy.

Ricochet wrote:Yeah I know. :P I honestly don't care that much if him (if I'm right) or the real Ubcoy (if I'm wrong) (for WIFOM) will deal with me, I made it pretty clear I'm not optimistic of surviving the game unrecruited and I expect any Night from now on to be my second dance with death.

Plus maybe other roles can join forces (except if they're aligned with him, of course). For instance, I'm noticing the Warden of the Inner Eye could potentially nulify his role.

Ok, I'll prep the case in a jiffy.

This oughta be good.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Yeah I know. :P I honestly don't care that much if him (if I'm right) or the real Ubcoy (if I'm wrong) (for WIFOM) will deal with me, I made it pretty clear I'm not optimistic of surviving the game unrecruited and I expect any Night from now on to be my second dance with death.

Plus maybe other roles can join forces (except if they're aligned with him, of course). For instance, I'm noticing the Warden of the Inner Eye could potentially nulify his role.

Ok, I'll prep the case in a jiffy.

This oughta be good.

Hmm not sure how I feel about Synonym. It does look like he was saved, but DH's comments give me pause. Despite my earlier misgivings I now fully believe DH is a civvie due to recent events, and he seems hesitant to endorse the Syn vote. He did vote for Syn yesterday to save Wilgy, but seeing as he clearly knew Wilgy was innocent that's to be expected. BWT's tiebreaker is interesting though, could have been just a result of his timing. I'll place my vote on Synonym for now, but it is likely to change, especially dependent upon DH's input.


Looking forward to your case, Rico. And yeah it probably wouldn't be fruitful to try to lynch Ubzebra during this position but it will be good to put your thoughts out there.

Ok, here it bloody goes.

I think BWT is Uzbekistan.

Going back to the D1 "candidates" who might be Uzbleach (sure, 50% chance. or was there a third possibility, besides him and Jilted Lover? I don't recall), Russ/Syn and Tranq don't strike me as the type who'd play completely in the shadows as mafia leaders. DH I have some clear ideas who he might be and none of them are Uzbinary. I still have to re-read Canuck, but so far, re-reading BWT was enough to make my ping-o-meter spike crazy.

ISO (important/relevant stuff) notable moodswings:
-- where did his TH suspicion go after D3?
-- real talkative D5 (and about the lynch switch in particular) after barely managing to play D4; pretty dead again D6-D7
-- where did his Sorsha suspicion go after D6?!
-- dat Wilgy D7 vote W.T.F.

Meta he offered on himself (relevant to see if he stayed true to that; hint: answer is no):
-- as a recruiter, he'd pick/value under-the-radar players
-- returned to play this game after some hiatus, with the motivation to play better, less waffly, avoid getting bitten in the ass again with his old style


Now, the case:

Since surviving the D1 lynch (whichever way you take it: he was tied with the other players, got the random ticket and survived OR Thunder pushed more votes on him in time and he survived), he's done nothing but participate in different gears (from missing a lot and having to catch up immensely to being in touch and posting a lot) and jump from case to case like mad. My impression is that he's coasting comfortably after his failed lynch, because it's not very common for people to be inclined to go back to him too soon (and we didn't).

He didn't start well in the first place, IMO, because after that claim that he's trying to improve game (more consistent, more determined, less waffly), he hasn't really improved. He hasn't improved after getting a second chance past D1, either.

He said he'd personally pick "under-the-radar" recruits, if he'd be a leader, but then focused on lynching low players on D1. Low players so far haven't been bothered a bit, except for Ahriman cleaning up DP.

Each of his votes starting with D3 was inspired (or taken) from someone else's case-making; also, each vote vanished the Day after, in favor of another vote (and case):

-- D3: voted TH because of what LoRab brought up about him
-- D4: voted Sorsha because of agreeing with "others" (he didn't even specify which others)
-- D5: votes Bubbles, because he's suddenly attentive to how her lynch failed on D4; also drops a liner wondering where the Sorsha suspicions vanished, which right now strike me as something to put in the thread, not to strike as someone who himself has no more interest in Sorsha
-- D6: votes Llama because of what Spacedaisy said
-- D7: votes Wilgy for WEAKER reasons than the "Bubbles defending", which until then he DID NOT find suspicious; breaks the tie and then the thread gets locked

On D5 he also went from "I can't imagine what the hell happened with the D4 switch" all the way to full conviction that "it was all a save attempt on Bubbles".

His entire D5 is almost fine-tuned to the overall feeling in the thread (except Wilgy's, lol) that Bubbles was saved.

After a D4 in which he barely caught up, his D5 extensive talk (and tangling, frankly, feigning cluelessness and being a bit careless in assessing things correctly) regarding the switch strikes me as wanting to seem interested and keeping appearances.

Remember him suspecting unfurl the first two Days? I think he simply had her in mind when he switched the lynch to protect Bubbles and kill unfurl.

I realize that a D7 vote to break the tie the previous Day would be suicidal for a baddie and audacious for Uzblimp of all baddies, but I think there's an angle, for Ubzulgu. BWT came in, picked Wilgy from the two wagons (Syn might still be his teamie), voted him and then also locked the thread.

I think his D7 vote for Wilgy was almost heinous, considering he went from "I'm also not quite seeing the Wilgy case" to "switch and silenced? bad voodoo".

He has done nothing the past Days, but jump on other people's cases or fine-tune his suspicions to the overall rumors. A wagon supreme. A wagon supreme. A wagon supreme.

I think Team Uzbekistan is fairly disorganized and not focused on any particular strategy. It wouldn't surprise me if a player like BWT didn't understand much of DH's failed lynch and targeted him again the same night, "nub-style", otherwise just managing to manipulate things according to his available positions. I think he saved Bubbles and then had no choice on D5 but to buss her and be in tune with everybody else.

We need to manage to lynch BWT somehow. He's bad. He's Uzbad.