The Syndicate

I voted 'Left' in today's poll because it has fewer votes.

TheFloyd73 wrote:Rules
1. Be respectful and remember that this is a game. We are not playing for sheep stations.

What's a sheep station?

I randomized and got left. Voted right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I randomized and got left. Voted right.

I don't think that's how that works.

Marmot wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I randomized and got left. Voted right.

I don't think that's how that works.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm confused as to how serious vs. not serious all of Epi's posts are.

Perhaps you should give two sets of analysis then, one for serious, and one for not-serious. What are your impressions of Epi - Civ or Mafia?

That's an intriguing suggestion. I'll try it out, especially since I sort of skimmed Epi's posts with you and INH.

this post would feel super forced to me if serious. If not-serious, clearly just a way to start discussion by throwing some mud so to speak. I'd say slightly suspicious if serious, slightly town if not-serious.

this post also feels obviously not-serious, but I don't really know how to interpret his string of posts with INH in terms of alignment. Null either way.
Eager. I like it.
If serious, this post confirms Epi's not-serious mud flinging posts earlier as an attempt to uncover alignments, so I'd say this furthers that perspective and looks town as such. If not-serious, it's confusing, because I'm not sure why Epi would joke about a town read.

Epi is a slight town read. I guess I also cleared up my own confusion.

I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

How do you not have a townread of me?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

What about me? What about me?

Voting for left cause it's cooler k

I voted left because that's the first leg I put in my pants this morning.

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I'm probably gonna be pretty chill until D1 starts.

Why? This is the perfect opportunity to talk. What's on your mind pal?

I'm laying low generally not as active on the weekends. It was a thing in Phenon, it'll be a thing now.

Marmot wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

How do you not have a townread of me?

I never can sort you into any read for the first few phases of the game; we both know that by now.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

What about me? What about me?

Inspire me. GTH what do you make of Epi's alignment?

speedchuck wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I'm probably gonna be pretty chill until D1 starts.

Why? This is the perfect opportunity to talk. What's on your mind pal?

I'm laying low generally not as active on the weekends. It was a thing in Phenon, it'll be a thing now.

Do you have any reads, even if incredibly inconsequential?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

What about me? What about me?

Inspire me. GTH what do you make of Epi's alignment?

I think he is probably good and just stirring up trouble.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

What about me? What about me?

Inspire me. GTH what do you make of Epi's alignment?

I think he is probably good and just stirring up trouble.

What in his posts specifically leads you to that conclusion? Can you walk me through your thought process a bit, if you don't mind?

Voted left for that dank tie.

I'm LOL at JJJ trying to Vompatti, but it's going to be a real shame if he actually carries on for too long. If he's good this game, civvie JJJ is a lot more useful than civve Vompatti.

Eloh, Do you have baddie tells for Epi, or is your policy regarding his game similar to his own regarding your game?

I like this day 0 so far. Usually we do nothing until the next day starts.

FZ. wrote:I'm LOL at JJJ trying to Vompatti, but it's going to be a real shame if he actually carries on for too long. If he's good this game, civvie JJJ is a lot more useful than civve Vompatti.

Eloh, Do you have baddie tells for Epi, or is your policy regarding his game similar to his own regarding your game?

I like this day 0 so far. Usually we do nothing until the next day starts.

I am doing nothing until the next day starts.

Long Con wrote:I voted 'Left' in today's poll because it has fewer votes.

TheFloyd73 wrote:Rules
1. Be respectful and remember that this is a game. We are not playing for sheep stations.

What's a sheep station?

A sheep station is a large Australian sheep farm. In Australia, "playing for sheep stations" is slang for encouraging someone to be friendly and not too competitive in a game of sport.

nutella wrote:Voting for left cause it's cooler k

Marmot wrote:I voted left because that's the first leg I put in my pants this morning.

DrWilgy wrote:Voted left for that dank tie.

I'm voting right because I like it better.


Also because I'm not wearing any pants atm. *wink*

MovingPictures07 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I'm probably gonna be pretty chill until D1 starts.

Why? This is the perfect opportunity to talk. What's on your mind pal?

I'm laying low generally not as active on the weekends. It was a thing in Phenon, it'll be a thing now.

Do you have any reads, even if incredibly inconsequential?

nooooope!

Though I like Epi and you, for trying!

Seriously, I'mbasically ctrl-Fing my name until tomorrow. Not very read-inducing. I will be Phenon-levels of active, I swear.

Phenonimally active, even.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I voted 'Left' in today's poll because it has fewer votes.

TheFloyd73 wrote:Rules
1. Be respectful and remember that this is a game. We are not playing for sheep stations.

What's a sheep station?

A sheep station is a large Australian sheep farm. In Australia, "playing for sheep stations" is slang for encouraging someone to be friendly and not too competitive in a game of sport.

u wot

FZ. wrote:I'm LOL at JJJ trying to Vompatti, but it's going to be a real shame if he actually carries on for too long. If he's good this game, civvie JJJ is a lot more useful than civve Vompatti.

Eloh, Do you have baddie tells for Epi, or is your policy regarding his game similar to his own regarding your game?

I like this day 0 so far. Usually we do nothing until the next day starts.

While I echo your lament for the town if Jay is indeed town, I do think however that he should play however he wants to. In the end, I'm sure he'll be able to give us some assistance in figuring out his alignment.

Can you clarify re: the bolded/underlined portion of your post?

speedchuck wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I'm probably gonna be pretty chill until D1 starts.

Why? This is the perfect opportunity to talk. What's on your mind pal?

I'm laying low generally not as active on the weekends. It was a thing in Phenon, it'll be a thing now.

Do you have any reads, even if incredibly inconsequential?

nooooope!

Though I like Epi and you, for trying!

Seriously, I'mbasically ctrl-Fing my name until tomorrow. Not very read-inducing. I will be Phenon-levels of active, I swear.

I think you can demonstrate your alignment without needing to be incredibly active.

What if I told you that the fact you keep excusing your lack of activity reminds me of something I do across both alignments but feel more pressure to do when I'm mafia versus town?

Can we speed lynch MP once D1 starts pleeease?

Because I love him and he's probably scum and if he's not he needs to die anyway.

I'd lynch you just to spare us all the damn cat gifs.

Epignosis wrote:I'd lynch you just to spare us all the damn cat gifs.

Dyslexicon wrote:Can we speed lynch MP once D1 starts pleeease?

Because I love him and he's probably scum and if he's not he needs to die anyway.

Spoiler: show

Luckily for all of you, I'm not bad this game.

Unfortunately for all of you, I don't think I'm that good at hunting for mafia.

So instead I plan on poking, prodding, and analyzing which hopefully will inspire you all, then we can solve the game.

Let's talk strategy.

This is a relatively straightforward setup -- 9 vanilla townies, 1 cop townie, and 3 vanilla mafia. However, this kind of setup is still relatively new to The Syndicate, which largely has a player base historically much more comfortable or exclusively comfortable with open-setup role madness games. As a result, having hosted this setup exactly (Pet Sounds) as well as similar setups, I've seen towns at this site inadvertently put themselves into disadvantageous situations due to not knowing how to play with this setup. Consequently, I think it's very worthwhile to consider discussing a strategy as to how we want to approach this setup.

The fact that the mafia has no Godfather or similar role means that the Cop is an incredibly valuable role in this setup. This should change the way that both the mafia and vanilla townies approach this game; mafia need to eliminate the Cop ASAP and the vanilla townies need to both draw NKs to keep the Cop alive and avoid inadvertently lynching the Cop.

We cannot do much to avoid the latter other than by solving the game normally and hoping that the Cop works hard to prove his or her town alignment, but we can devise a strategy to accomplish the former. This could be accomplished in one of two ways, both of which I've witnessed in different heists here:

1) Fake peeks and claims, etc. so that the Cop can safely breadcrumb and the mafia won't know whom to kill; however, such an approach could be risky if players carelessly out themselves as vanilla to the mafia, thereby helping the mafia to eliminate who isn't the Cop based on clearly incorrect fake peeks.
2) The absence of fake peeks and claims completely so that the mafia have literally no information by which to hunt for the Cop other than guessing based on in-thread activity alone; however, such an approach could be risky because the Cop has no safe way to divulge information without putting him/herself at risk, and we could have a situation in which the Cop dies suddenly without having any of his/her information. That is incredibly not ideal and essentially would reduce this setup to 10 vanilla townies versus 3 vanilla mafia, which is advantageous to the mafia.

I think it's worthwhile to consider how to approach strategy here, rather than going around blind, and what better time to discuss this than on Day 0? What do you all think?

If it wasn't clear, I think strategy 1) is the vastly preferable option. HOWEVER, I don't want to just claim anything or encourage people to claim anything if most of us aren't going to anyway.

The strategy worked out really well for town in the Arrested Development heist (in which Daisy was the Cop and masterfully used her role to the town's benefit while Turnip Head and I provided fake peek cover and got NKed so Daisy could then solve the game). However, it could have just as easily backfired on us that game because over half of the players did not end up peeking or claiming anything and we did not discuss any strategy as to whether we should engage in peeking or not; TH, Daisy, Wilgy, and I just peeked without concern. It could specifically have backfired in that the mafia could have simply kept NKing the claimers, figuring the Cop had to be among those who did peek/claim something, which would have been accurate, since Daisy consistently claimed her real information, even if she was trying to seem like a vanilla townie faking it.

So many words.

"You can do what you want..."

...road to the right. Had he had time to consider and decide, perhaps selecting the path where all of the street lights were on would have been a preferable choice. Floyd's sight gradually faded into darkness. A thick blanket of blackness swarmed him.

Strike! Floyd drew blood and fell to Earth.

He was discovered the next day in a pool of blood. The coroners revealed he death was due to a depletion in blood caused by severe, deep scratches of a skeleton tiger. The scratches were in the form of the mafia's symbol. Those witnessing the deceased man's final state swore to avenge the innocent man.

How did they know the tiger was skeletal?

RIP Floyd!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Let's talk strategy.

This is a relatively straightforward setup -- 9 vanilla townies, 1 cop townie, and 3 vanilla mafia. However, this kind of setup is still relatively new to The Syndicate, which largely has a player base historically much more comfortable or exclusively comfortable with open-setup role madness games. As a result, having hosted this setup exactly (Pet Sounds) as well as similar setups, I've seen towns at this site inadvertently put themselves into disadvantageous situations due to not knowing how to play with this setup. Consequently, I think it's very worthwhile to consider discussing a strategy as to how we want to approach this setup.

The fact that the mafia has no Godfather or similar role means that the Cop is an incredibly valuable role in this setup. This should change the way that both the mafia and vanilla townies approach this game; mafia need to eliminate the Cop ASAP and the vanilla townies need to both draw NKs to keep the Cop alive and avoid inadvertently lynching the Cop.

We cannot do much to avoid the latter other than by solving the game normally and hoping that the Cop works hard to prove his or her town alignment, but we can devise a strategy to accomplish the former. This could be accomplished in one of two ways, both of which I've witnessed in different heists here:

1) Fake peeks and claims, etc. so that the Cop can safely breadcrumb and the mafia won't know whom to kill; however, such an approach could be risky if players carelessly out themselves as vanilla to the mafia, thereby helping the mafia to eliminate who isn't the Cop based on clearly incorrect fake peeks.

OR

2) The absence of fake peeks and claims completely so that the mafia have literally no information by which to hunt for the Cop other than guessing based on in-thread activity alone; however, such an approach could be risky because the Cop has no safe way to divulge information without putting him/herself at risk, and we could have a situation in which the Cop dies suddenly without having any of his/her information. That is incredibly not ideal and essentially would reduce this setup to 10 vanilla townies versus 3 vanilla mafia, which is advantageous to the mafia.

I think it's worthwhile to consider how to approach strategy here, rather than going around blind, and what better time to discuss this than on Day 0? What do you all think?

I'll be happy to publicize my awesome real peeks while you all cover for me with fake ones.

RIP Floyd, sorry I'm late.
By the way, I'm Mafia.

Long Con wrote:How did they know the tiger was skeletal?

RIP Floyd!

Should go to Perth some time.

Skeleton Tiger

Luke11646 wrote:RIP Floyd, sorry I'm late.
By the way, I'm Mafia.

Also, totally meant it when I said I was going to lurk, at least this day. I have an exam due to Thursday, which is probably why I signed up for several games in the first place, and I'm probably not going to lurk anyway cause procrastination is my religion, but if I do it's muchly legit and not suspicious at all.

Byeeee \o/

Vote MP

Dyslexicon wrote:Vote MP

Why vote for MP, what has he done to you?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I'm probably gonna be pretty chill until D1 starts.

Why? This is the perfect opportunity to talk. What's on your mind pal?

I'm laying low generally not as active on the weekends. It was a thing in Phenon, it'll be a thing now.

Do you have any reads, even if incredibly inconsequential?

nooooope!

Though I like Epi and you, for trying!

Seriously, I'mbasically ctrl-Fing my name until tomorrow. Not very read-inducing. I will be Phenon-levels of active, I swear.

I think you can demonstrate your alignment without needing to be incredibly active.

What if I told you that the fact you keep excusing your lack of activity reminds me of something I do across both alignments but feel more pressure to do when I'm mafia versus town?

I'd applaud your self-awareness.

Don't hurt MP k I think he's ok k

JaggedJimmyJomps has been hacked by Vomps!

What a twiiiiiiiist!!!

Mafia, plz don't kill me early. I had to move away from my Wilgette and need this to keep my mind busy.

(and I'm still most definitely a doctor... just a zonked one...

So, who is bad?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also like the way LC handled all of that conversation, looking into it more intently.

I'd say I have two town reads already then. Cool.

What about me? What about me?

Inspire me. GTH what do you make of Epi's alignment?

I think he is probably good and just stirring up trouble.

What in his posts specifically leads you to that conclusion? Can you walk me through your thought process a bit, if you don't mind?

Now, I haven't totally caught up, but I think his tone is that of just having fun. He was picking on me for my grammar knowing I've been using my phone mostly and that my stubby fingers don't work well with autocorrect.

He may still be mafia, but out of the gate...I saw him as having fun and not serious.

@FZ (I think it was) - I don't really have baddie tells for Epi.

I'll catch up on in a bit.

speedchuck makes me a nervous horse

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:speedchuck makes me a nervous horse

As a horse farmer, I resemble that?

speedchuck wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:speedchuck makes me a nervous horse

As a horse farmer, I resemble that?

If a sheep tender is a shepard, what is a horse tender?

Eloh, are you bad this game?