The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

I don’t think you read her role right. She didnt know what the alignment was. If she thought he was good, he would be revealed as bad, and would cause a little bit Moreno of chaos. I Think she did it expecting a different result.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

Who would you vote for as of this moment?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:37 pm Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

You tried to get people to turn on me?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:56 pm The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 pm So what do people think of Scotty?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:35 pm Well that looked dumb since my first message didn't go through, so I'll put them together.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 pm So what do people think of Scotty?

My initial view of him as he entered our humble hut was positive. My current view is still positive, but I have a minor concern, namely that he swiftly voted for me at the slightest suggestion from DH that I am bad.

Now, I'm sure DH will tell you that I did the same thing when Sloonei told me I should vote for Marmot, but, you know, he was bad.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

See? This. This garbage right here.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pmEpignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:56 pm The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:56 pm The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

I don't know if this was said, but nutella can't target her own teammate, and LC and nutella were teammates. Do you think nutella was not LC's teammate?

Excuse me if I am misunderstanding your argument.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:27 pm He’s blendy, has added nothing worthwhile to the discussion and has self voted now twice. Also he has no game-mechanic-induced penalty to talk.

Where I came from, being unavailable =/= blendy.

Also, did someone claim that I have a game-mechanic-induced penalty to talk?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:39 pm “Blendy” could also be a great strategy for a civ that I never seem to employ in early games (one day maybe I’ll learn), as a meddlesome talker could be seen as a threat to the mafia and be bumstickeroonied

If your goal is to win, then fuck blendiness. You'll look the same as the players you claim are scum for the same behavior.

#ballstothewall

Also, bewbs

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

I would have to be Jesus for you to believe I'm a civilian, and even then, you would crucify me. I'm not wasting my time with you.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:21 pm I like Epi we should leave him alive.

What does the other tribe think of Sloonie?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:35 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

Your complaint is about my vote Day 1.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:48 pm Endgaming elsewhere, attention divided, sorry.

He's a picture of a cute little car as my way of apologizing.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 pm Yeah it was.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.