ASOIAF: Game of Thrones

[fingersplints]

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A lot of people thought Jon was the savior or the Westerosi equivalent thereof. But the actor said he isn't coming back pretty unequivocally and he cut his hair, so

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The way he said it though was "I'm dead. I'm not coming back next season." So it is possible we just won't see him next season... while his hair grows back

It's hard to say because I feel the actor and producers would be saying this if he was and wasn't coming back. I think a lot of people, myself included, feel a bit cheated since he seemed so important to the overall story. I always thought that in the end he would team up with Dany + dragons to beat the whitewalkers.

[unfurl]

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A lot of people thought Jon was the savior or the Westerosi equivalent thereof. But the actor said he isn't coming back pretty unequivocally and he cut his hair, so

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The way he said it though was "I'm dead. I'm not coming back next season." So it is possible we just won't see him next season... while his hair grows back

It's hard to say because I feel the actor and producers would be saying this if he was and wasn't coming back. I think a lot of people, myself included, feel a bit cheated since he seemed so important to the overall story. I always thought that in the end he would team up with Dany + dragons to beat the whitewalkers.

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I really hope Jon comes backs, one way or another, if rezz or even as white walker
He has been my favorite since the start

I did thought, after watching the show that Mellisandre was full of it, about the lord of lightand Stannis,
so if she is able to rezz Jon Snow, at least she will have some purpose in the show
I also thought while watching the show, and watching Jon dying, well they gonna need to burn his body or he is gonna become a white walker

[Sloonei]

I have mixed feelings on season 5. Some of it was great. Some of it was shit.

I feel the same.

Me too, sort of. I enjoyed the season from start to finish, but when it wrapped up it didn't feel like enough had happened for a full season. The only plots that felt concluded in any way were the ones around the Wall (though of course, the Wall storyline is really only just beginning but YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN). Arya's story was very good, but felt like it could have all been covered in half a season, and did it really need to take Tyrion 8 episodes to meet Dany? His whole journey felt a bit dragged out (but his eventual arrival and entrance at the fighting pit was one of the highlights of the season).

I've been deliberately avoiding the books so I can enjoy the show on its own merits. I think it's working. If i'd read the books i assume i'd have a number of complaints that don't even exist in my ignorant brain right now. The show is doing just fine.

[zeek]

Finally gave in and started watching this three days ago. Almost done with Season 2 #addicted

So, my question is this: Why hasn't anyone made a GOT mafia yet?

[Golden]

Zeek, when you do, I bags being in house Martell

[zeek]

I don't know enough to construct a game! It's ripe for adapting though and it's certainly got the fanbase to fill up quickly.

[S~V~S]

Finally gave in and started watching this three days ago. Almost done with Season 2 #addicted

So, my question is this: Why hasn't anyone made a GOT mafia yet?

Keys, Splints husband, did at the Piano.I started to here but there are sooo many factions, I was thinking of it as a challenge. I think I would like to see how Timmer & MP do Wheel of Time. The way the Flash played out gave me some ideas, too. Basically I was thinking of it as a fluid alignment game. Almost everyone can be recruited, but only by certain people. Some people can be recruited more than once. Not everyone know who can recruit them, although some might.

I was basing my alignments on the books, not the shows. But I don't know how Spoiler-y that would be. For instance, I had thought to (BOOK SPOILERS)

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Have Jamie recruitable away from the Lannisters by Brienne, but people who have seen the show but not read the books would totally be confused by that, so it might take away from the central mechanic.

What is nice about it is that you can have as few, or as many, factions as you want, so it can be a small game or a huge one.

[fingersplints]

I want to be Tyrion again!

[S~V~S]

I think I will submit it to the Speed Queue~ then we can tailor roles to the number of sign ups we have, and if it is awesome, we can then rerun it as a full game with 30+ roles, and if it is awful, well, it was worth trying

[Illyria]

*sings*

Tonight! Tonight! Hot Damn it is coming tonight!


Bonus points if anyone can guess the movie that is from btw.

Also, this will be the first time many of us will have no idea what is about to happen. I feel pressured and at risk.

[S~V~S]

West Side Story?

That is the version I have been humming all day long!!

[Ricochet]

No spoilies, I'm catching it only tomorrow evening.

[S~V~S]

Agreed. I am sure others may not wish to be spoiled.

SPOILERS SHOULD BE PUT IN SPOILER TAGS!! SOME PEOPLE MAY BE WATCHING DELAYED.

Thank You~!

[S~V~S]

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Brienne can use any bathroom she likes <3 Boo Yah Brienne!!

[reywaS]

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Brienne can use any bathroom she likes <3 Boo Yah Brienne!!

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Easily my favorite scene of the episode. I saw it coming a mile away, yet I literally stood up and started cheering when she rode in.

And what about Pod!? Go Pod!

[Ricochet]

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The Dorne scene did nothing more than to further piss me off that the Dorne storyline was completely wasted in the show.

[S~V~S]

Agreed.

[Illyria]

West Side Story?

That is the version I have been humming all day long!!

HAHAHAA.

No, that is a line from "A Christmas Story" when the Dad's major prize is on the way.

Before I start replying to people and espousing my opinion on things, I don't think most of you know how I roll when it comes to stuff like this. I am along for the ride. The only time I have ever gotten upset when something diverged from any book was OOTP, which was a fucking travesty of a movie and it disgusts me. Other than that, I am usually pretty good with what I get as long as it is close. Hollywood is run by morons, so I have low expectations.

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The Dorne scene did nothing more than to further piss me off that the Dorne storyline was completely wasted in the show.

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I disagree, at least they are slightly more bad ass than they were last season.

LOVED the episode, not knowing what will be happening, for the most part, is kind of freeing and frustrating at the same time. Much like everyone else, I HOLLERED when Brienne came riding out, (POOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!) and then I got all verklempt when Sansa recited the same words as her mother to Brienne. She even looked like her standing there. (How did Theon kill that guy by shoving a sword through his back when he had his shield on?)

I liked the Dany plot point, and I think I agree with the consensus. She needs reinforcements besides the Unsullied in order to take Westeros.

Ayra is also back to the beginning having to learn to fight while vulnerable to everything.

Ser Davos FTMFW. "I would like some mutton"

And Edd. He hurt my black and scarred heart. Also GHHOOOOOOOSSSSSTTTTT *sobs*

And now.. The Red Woman... One. WOAAAAH. Two. I believe she is going to try to bring Jon back. It makes sense since she knows it can be done (Beric Donderrean) and they made a point of it in the show. They have skipped and dropped things before, but went out of their way to show this, so I still remain steadfast in my hope. Mainly because I don't know if I can handle the Starks losing all of their boys-- even if I am Super Girl Power about this show and life in general. I would love to see Jon and Dany make beautiful babies because good lord those two are pretty.

I want to see Sam, he is going to be devastated when he finds out about Jon.

We need a crying smiley!

[Ricochet]

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It's not about the badassery (although Ellaria is hardly interesting tbqh... muh revengeful widow), it's about how undeveloped the characters and how transitory the setting and the fragments related to this story were. Plus, it gives me the impression that Arianne Martell has been completely written off, which - judging from how relevant and sexy her wikipedia synopsis is - is a shame. [Then again, I saw a new, seductive face in the trailers, so maybe there's still hope...]

Didn't Theon stab him through the neck or somewhere above the back shield, anyway?

I understand the Melissande reveal has been foreshadowed or hinted in the books. It wasn't that compelling of a final scene to me personally. As for the ressurection, I'm wondering how long they'll try to play with it. Usually episodes 2, 7, 9 and 10 are big ones in a season, with not much in between but development (and sometimes filler), so either it'll happen soon or they'll stretch it real thin, which could become annoying.

[sig]

So as an avid book fan, who hated the last episode of the last season, is this new episode worth watching or will I start yelling at the screen?

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Like I assume the Prince , the Golden Company, and Stoneheart haven't made an appearance.

[reywaS]

West Side Story?

That is the version I have been humming all day long!!

HAHAHAA.

No, that is a line from "A Christmas Story" when the Dad's major prize is on the way.

Before I start replying to people and espousing my opinion on things, I don't think most of you know how I roll when it comes to stuff like this. I am along for the ride. The only time I have ever gotten upset when something diverged from any book was OOTP, which was a fucking travesty of a movie and it disgusts me. Other than that, I am usually pretty good with what I get as long as it is close. Hollywood is run by morons, so I have low expectations.

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The Dorne scene did nothing more than to further piss me off that the Dorne storyline was completely wasted in the show.

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I disagree, at least they are slightly more bad ass than they were last season.

LOVED the episode, not knowing what will be happening, for the most part, is kind of freeing and frustrating at the same time. Much like everyone else, I HOLLERED when Brienne came riding out, (POOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!) and then I got all verklempt when Sansa recited the same words as her mother to Brienne. She even looked like her standing there. (How did Theon kill that guy by shoving a sword through his back when he had his shield on?)

I liked the Dany plot point, and I think I agree with the consensus. She needs reinforcements besides the Unsullied in order to take Westeros.

Ayra is also back to the beginning having to learn to fight while vulnerable to everything.

Ser Davos FTMFW. "I would like some mutton"

And Edd. He hurt my black and scarred heart. Also GHHOOOOOOOSSSSSTTTTT *sobs*

And now.. The Red Woman... One. WOAAAAH. Two. I believe she is going to try to bring Jon back. It makes sense since she knows it can be done (Beric Donderrean) and they made a point of it in the show. They have skipped and dropped things before, but went out of their way to show this, so I still remain steadfast in my hope. Mainly because I don't know if I can handle the Starks losing all of their boys-- even if I am Super Girl Power about this show and life in general. I would love to see Jon and Dany make beautiful babies because good lord those two are pretty.

I want to see Sam, he is going to be devastated when he finds out about Jon.

We need a crying smiley!

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I think Melisandre will bring Jon back as Thorne and crew break through the door. They will see Jon rise and stop dead in their tracks. Thorne will scream at them to kill Jon (again) and Jon will kill Thorne. That's my prediction anyway. Regardless of the how, I definitely think Jon is coming back.

[Ricochet]

So as an avid book fan, who hated the last episode of the last season, is this new episode worth watching or will I start yelling at the screen?

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Like I assume the Prince , the Golden Company, and Stoneheart haven't made an appearance.

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Dunno, the only serious events happen in Dorne.

Also hahhaha, Stoneheart... yeah that's never happening.

[S~V~S]

So as an avid book fan, who hated the last episode of the last season, is this new episode worth watching or will I start yelling at the screen?

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Like I assume the Prince , the Golden Company, and Stoneheart haven't made an appearance.

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I am an avid book fan as well. Although I do like the Sansa story arc better on the show if I must be honest. That Jeyne Poole thing was weird. Alot of the book purists I know stopped watching after Shireen & Stannis dying. At this point, for the most part, they are past the books, so perhaps you can be pissed off in advance,lol?

[sig]

TV Show AND Book spoilers. I don't think the book spoilers will ruin the show for anyone since we've diverted from it, but if you plan to read the book and want to be surprised I'd suggest you don't look at the below.

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Yeah that really really annoyed me, they ruined Stannis character by doing that.
I did end up watching it last night. Parts were okay. The Wall portion was interesting, the red women being an old lady was shocking at first, but when you consider she has glamour and the text always mentions how her necklace is glimmering and how she smells it could be something we will see in the book. The Dany portion was good, I'm thinking she will be the one who unites all the Dothrakian under a single Khal (her) at their city.
Now for what I disliked, the whole Kings Landing portion was meh, the fact that the church locked Loras up for being gay, and his sister the queen for lying about knowing he was gay? While that was never an issue in the books to the church.That is such a wtf moment and leaves the book realm completely. To me it seems like the producers wanted to make the church seem evil or more evil depending on who you side with.
Plus Loras isn't even there in the books he is dying on Dragonstone.
Dorne was, well........it was horribly. THEY KILLED ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTERS! All those good chapters the great plot lines of Dorne, the amazing characters, gone. poof. no more Dorne. Ellaria Sand was agaisnt violence to begin with, the sand snakes never did anything agaisnt Doran and by the end of the book we see them working for him. The grand plots of Doran never happened, Plus they killed Hotah
someone who was so skilled he killed a member of the Kingsguard and was at least in the show on an equal level to the two handed Jaime, not to mention they ruined Doran's character, the Sand snakes, and they got rid of Arianne. I did have a brief few seconds where I was hoping the snakes would underestimate Trystane and he would kill them both then get revenge, but no they kill him in a reallllly stupid way. So I'm not impressed with this season. This also shows that Aegon won't make an appearance in the show. Oh and I also dislike that Sansa was shipped off to marry a Bolton by Little Finger, I don't think he'd have given her to Ramsey.

[S~V~S]

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I had problems when they lost Quentyn & Arianne Martell and made Ellaria into some kind of war mongerer. I LOVED Quentyn. I think they trashed the whole Dorne story arc. When Jamie & Bronn went off to rescue Myrcella, I was like WTF?? I 1,000% agree with you re Dorne. That whole thing was shit. It is almost like they treated that whole story arc as a way to kill Myrcella & that was about it. That and burning a 10 y/o girl alive, I was not sure I wanted to come back this year, either, lol. I used to be really active on one of the ASOIAF sub reddits, and "Stannis the Mannis" had a huge following. They lost ALOT of people with that story arc.

[sig]

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Yes it seems like they only burned her for shock value or they needed to make Stannis such a jerk nobody would care what happened to him. I think without the book to follow the producers are lost. Or they just don't care and are doing their own thing.

I also wonder does Melisandre believe Stannis is the chosen one, or is she simply an agent of chaos who is preparing for the invasion by Dany? I mean she did arrive in Westeros before Dany had her dragons, but you think if the main body of the church agrees Dany is the chosen one, someone would've tuned Melisandre in on it.

[S~V~S]

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I think she really believed it. That last scene was about how vulnerable she felt. She was SO sure, and she was SO wrong. That combined with the part where she said, "But I saw him fighting in WInterfell...". She is floored that she was wrong, imo.

I am thinking Ramsey will kill has father next week. Roose basically threatened him with Waldas baby over Ramsey playing his games with Sansa; but he swore to crazy Mirandas corpse that he would make them suffer. None of Ramseys dreams come true with Daddy alive, so Daddy has got to go.

[S~V~S]

Nice avatar by the way.

[Ricochet]

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I remember some banter on 4chan that Ramsay possibly killing Roose was either a leaked information or a detail slip in one of the trailers.

Anyway, seriously, any thoughts who this might be? (1) (2) I sure hope it won't be revealed to be some simple mistress or seductress or whatever, because she managed to get me interested only by two frames in the trailer.

[S~V~S]

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I heard a rumor of ANOTHER Red Woman,and I think that is her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/2 ... 57650.html

[S~V~S]

Although that actress looks different

[sig]

Thanks!

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If we believe the red women is glamoured/magic then it could be another version. I also saw a theory awhile back that they are all really faceless ones, so if the red women is just a faceless one maybe it's just that. Though one hole in the glamour theory, if she was just glamoured how did she do all that stuff? Have a shadow child, ride a horse, not be old in anyway? The other possibility would be that the Red Women aged because she performed some magic and that was the cost, but I doubt it.
I was over at westeros.org and a good portion of them seem very unhappy with this episode.

Have any of you heard of the Great Northern Conspiracy, if so what do you think? It would be awesome if it was real and I could see GRRM dropping hints in the books about it.

[Illyria]

I have not sig, do tell!

[S~V~S]

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This is more book based than show based. There was also a Great Southern Conspiracy theory, which I suppose is still possible in the books, due to changes in the story, it would have to significantly change for it to work on the show.

[Ricochet]

A.V. Club is doing articles with odds on who might die in the next episode(s) and that's such lazy clickbait, even for them.

[S~V~S]

Yeah, but it does pretty much lay out the Northern Conspiracy Theory, which was the topic.

And I voted in one of those polls, I think that

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Roose Bolton

will die next week.

[Ricochet]

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Ironically, that name never came up in that article, but Theon's did

[sig]

I have not sig, do tell!

SVS posted a good accurate video about it, it's almost 100% book based.
The original theory was created by someone on reddit I believe, it is really in depth and good imo. If you're a book fan you'll enjoy reading it.

[S~V~S]

Yeah, I saw it on reddit, too. All those poor Stannis the Mannis people, I have not been there in a while, they must have been broken hearted

[sig]

Yeah, I saw it on reddit, too. All those poor Stannis the Mannis people, I have not been there in a while, they must have been broken hearted

lol yes, I never was a fan of Stannis, but it was heartbreaking to see some of their posts.

[S~V~S]

Yeah, but it does pretty much lay out the Northern Conspiracy Theory, which was the topic.

And I voted in one of those polls, I think that

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Roose Bolton

will die next week.

Fistpump!!

[Bass_the_Clever]

I feel satisfied after that episode.

[S~V~S]

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It could have been better; that little fucker Olly could have died.

[Ricochet]

I thought it was laughable. I'm seriously not even 0% malicious in saying this.

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Wildlings putting an end to shenanigans made sense, although surprised Throne is still breathing after this.
Tyrion freeing the pups was script-wise awful. "I'm friends with your mother"? Yeah, they have no idea what to do, now that they're out of books.
Ironically, the Bolton affair earns me a shrug, which is almost positive. The actor playing Roose clearly had his bored written-off face on throughout these two episodes.
How many seasons has it been since Balon disappeared from the show's storyline? Yeah, lol, and then filler kill. Still hopeful Euron would develop into something interesting, though.
And the scene you've all been waiting for. Literally schoolyard filmmaking. "Melisande doesn't do shit, gives a hopeless look, everyone leaves, freeze frame on face for 10 seconds, aaaaaah *gasp of liveliness*, cut to black". 100% mainstream tropes, 0% intelligent design. Sorry, but no. No.
Every other scene was filler, you know it's true.

[Ricochet]

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Also, yes, congrats SVS. I find it extremely funny that an entire website wrote a clickbait piece on calling odds on characters that weren't in harms way one bit this episode, whilst leaving out Roose, which you were spot on.

[S~V~S]

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Also, yes, congrats SVS. I find it extremely funny that an entire website wrote a clickbait piece on calling odds on characters that weren't in harms way one bit this episode, whilst leaving out Roose, which you were spot on.

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Well, it was pretty obvious. Ramsey tells dead psycho girlfriend hes gonna make Sansa/Theon suffer for what they did to her. Next Scene, Dad tells Ramsey, you played your games with Sansa, get her back. Threatens him with the baby, criticizes everything Ramsey does. Ramsey would be unable to get Myrandas revenge with Daddy looking over his shoulder, Daddy has to go. And I was bummed that they took out the whole Greyjoy Bros plot, so glad to see they brought it back, I hope they don't trash it like they trashed Dorne.

And yeah, climactic scene was anti climactic. They made it super obvious he had warged into Ghost. Plus poor demoralized psycho Melisandre.

[Ricochet]

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The way Euron's appeared only now - and still not "technically" revealed, because "we need a mysterious scene, hurr" first - and given how important he seems in the books, or the theory surrounding him and his goals, I think the show would need to massively invest in his storyline, from this point onwards, to have any chance of pulling a decent coverage.

[a2thezebra]

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And the scene you've all been waiting for. Literally schoolyard filmmaking. "Melisande doesn't do shit, gives a hopeless look, everyone leaves, freeze frame on face for 10 seconds, aaaaaah *gasp of liveliness*, cut to black". 100% mainstream tropes, 0% intelligent design. Sorry, but no. No.
Every other scene was filler, you know it's true.

I disagree with everything else you said about the episode, but I'm with you one hundred percent here.

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Seriously, fuck that last scene. I was hoping so, so badly that they were doing the buildup to the gasp of liveliness only to have no gasp of liveliness at the end...you know, to actually be as unpredictable as everyone parades the show to be for once, but nope.

[Illyria]

I have not sig, do tell!

SVS posted a good accurate video about it, it's almost 100% book based.
The original theory was created by someone on reddit I believe, it is really in depth and good imo. If you're a book fan you'll enjoy reading it.

I read the books once, and would re-read them but the 4th one just about killed me to finish, it was a ponderous tome. I DONT CARE WHAT THEY ARE EATING GEORGE.

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I concur that it was anticlimactic, and I was unsurprised but still thrilled.

Ser Davos wins again! "I apologize for what you are about to see" *draws sword*

I know it is wrong, but that damn wolf growling as they broke the door down was SO HOT. (I do not support bestiality because eww-- but DAMN IT WAS AWESOME) I love that they have a real one with some added CGI for size it makes the difference imo.

So this episode's theme was Down with the Old Guard and The Kids Are Taking Over Bitches. Did the Happy dance for Roose Bolton VENGEANCE FOR THE KING OF THE NORTH! , not so much for the baby and Doofie.

I want the dragons to come into play, and I remember the brother and Dead Pyke Dad (I suck at names) having a smackdown and the SUUUUUPPPPER boring political struggle with Asha and Uncle Pyke from the books. By all the Old Gods and The New I hope they do a better job of that on screen.

Arya's little pause and the way her voice escalated in pitch on the last "A girl has no name"

I like that the Red Woman still thinks that She SUCKS. I am 1000% down with that, psycho hussy.

[Illyria]

What do we think?

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Not terribly surprised by most of it, took me a second when Jon walked away from The Wall-- but I get it. I want Ser Davos and Jon to get to Winterfell RFN.

That convo on Whats app was HILARIOUS between my sister during THAT reveal.

"Who does he.. NO.NO.

"noooo"

"NO! NO!!! NOT SHAGGY DOG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Khaleesi, I am already getting bored so lets get a move on and raise some hell please.

Ayra, thats a girl. The discipline will be good for you, and make you a far more efficient killer.

Tomnen, you sweet stupid baby.

So happy to see Diana Rigg back!!!!!!!!!!