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Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 3:48 pm
by tedxtr
ok i gotta stop these jokes because they're probably massively anti-town

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
by Myo
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 4:01 pm
by Sloonei
tedxtr wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:48 pm ok i gotta stop these jokes because they're probably massively anti-town
The only thing anti-town is a non-answer.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
by Sloonei
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 4:17 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 4:01 pm
tedxtr wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:48 pm ok i gotta stop these jokes because they're probably massively anti-town
The only thing anti-town is a non-answer.
You must hate playing with me lol

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:08 pm
by MacDougall
Did Jiwon vote Tedxtr to get scrap without posting? Wild. Absolute scenes.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:32 pm
by Myo
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 2:33 pm I offered one single pre-flip associative read in Banjo-Kazooie and it gave me the false confidence to mislynch a civilian who I thought was paired with another civilian on Day 1. Never again!
What does 'pre-flip' mean?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:36 pm
by Long Con
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 2:33 pm I offered one single pre-flip associative read in Banjo-Kazooie and it gave me the false confidence to mislynch a civilian who I thought was paired with another civilian on Day 1. Never again!
What does 'pre-flip' mean?
The 'flip' in question is slang for the role-reveal that occurs upon voting a player out by Day.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:37 pm
by Long Con
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
I do not think so. I think one person will get scrap, or maybe zero if we have a tie, because our Host can sometimes be a hardass in that way.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
by Myo
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
by Sloonei
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:03 pm
by tedxtr
Come to think of it, I think a lot of the stuff that are wolfy in a vacuum are actually more context and personality-dependent.

9/10 times, what would be described as flip flopping is a villager that changed their read, wolves barely flip flop ime

I’m not really a mechanical player, I’ll see if I’ll have the motivation to skim the OP and come up with some stuff.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm
by Myo
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
by MacDougall
2 mafia solved already.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
by Sloonei
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.
How does that affect you going into this game, where those things are not allowed?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
by Sloonei
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm 2 mafia solved already.
Bravo

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:40 pm
by MacDougall
Got three now.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:40 pm
by MacDougall
Tedxtr, Jiwon, Long Con in case you're wondering.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:41 pm
by MacDougall
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm 2 mafia solved already.
Bravo
You sound disappointed that I have solved the game. Don't be Sloonei. Together we will reclaim the cosmos on behalf of the government or whatever it is that we represent.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 pm
by Myo
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.
How does that affect you going into this game, where those things are not allowed?

I don’t really think it should change things that much for me. I’ve played games before where the seer/power-roles died without revealing and so there were no role-claims/info to be shared late game because the role was already dead. The majority of my town/sus reads tend to be based on comment/vote histories and interactions with other players anyways. Having the power-role info does allows things to ‘slot’ into place and helps guide a bit (contextualise might be a good way of thinking about it) but this is also achieved by alignments shared in the meta when someone is lunched/night killed.

I am very excited for the public vote tallies, which are something I have never seen before.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:20 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:40 pm Tedxtr, Jiwon, Long Con in case you're wondering.
Ted and Jiwon are my backup team so I’m ok with this

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:21 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Anyone else planning to resolve the tie with a last second self vote?

Just me? :grin:

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:29 pm
by motobot
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm 2 mafia solved already.
Bravo
You sound disappointed that I have solved the game. Don't be Sloonei. Together we will reclaim the cosmos on behalf of the government or whatever it is that we represent.
I was going to vote for you for scrap, but now I kind of think Spacedaisy is a better choice because you sound like you are trying to pretend to figure out who is bad and who is good.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:33 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Self voting isn’t allowed

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 8:43 pm
by Long Con
I'll vote Spacedaisy so Mac does't get it.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:16 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 8:33 pm Self voting isn’t allowed
I knew that. I was just testing you.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:23 pm
by sig
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:08 pm Eh, I guess that was an assumption rather than what it actually says.

Also Myo and sig are mafia partners, discuss
Yes, they seem scummy. :eye:

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:25 pm
by sig
Is the poll messed up for anyone else? I can't seem to vote.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:26 pm
by sig
sig wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 9:25 pm Is the poll messed up for anyone else? I can't seem to vote.
Nvm never changed my timezone. :omg:

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:26 pm
by Sloonei
sig wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 9:25 pm Is the poll messed up for anyone else? I can't seem to vote.
it is closed

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm
by sig
Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear. :p
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm
by sig
Also, fair warning just moved to a new state and starting work on Monday, so activity will be a big question mark for me at times.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:39 pm
by sig
If either Mac or LC are mafia the other is most likely mafia as well. LC breaking the tie away from Mac is definitely a move both/one would come up with as an easy distancing maneuver early game.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:45 pm
by Epignosis
Spoiler: show
Who is deserving of scrap from the destroyed outpost?

Poll ended at Tue May 26, 2020 9:10 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

ColinIsCool
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dragomir
0
No votes


Voters: None

JackofHearts2005
0
No votes


Voters: None

JiwonMeganPark
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

MacDougall
1
7%


Voters: tedxtr

Motobot
0
No votes


Voters: None

Myo
0
No votes


Voters: None

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
1
7%


Voters: Myo

Sloonei
1
7%


Voters: Soneji

Soneji
1
7%


Voters: Sloonei

Spacedaisy
3
21%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, motobot, Long Con

tedxtr
2
14%


Voters: JiwonMeganPark, MacDougall

Elton John (The Host, the Dead, the Non)
5
36%


Voters: Epignosis, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Hyena, M Plus 7


Total votes: 14

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:50 pm
by Epignosis
The rebels jumped to a star system they deemed safe, but the federation followed them. The hunt is on.

The radio indicated that The Store would be open soon. Stay tuned.

Everyone will receive a PM regarding scrap totals. Stand by.

It is now Day 1. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:03 pm
by Sloonei
sig wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear. :p
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.
[VOTE: sig] aubergine talk about those reasons

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:11 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Dang sloonei you beat me to it

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:28 pm
by Epignosis
Your scrap count today is as follows:

You start with 10.
If you voted Day 0 you earned 3.
You received one per vote Day 0.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:30 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I fucking knew that spreading votes would’ve worked

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
by MacDougall
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:41 pm
by MacDougall
Long Con wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 8:43 pm I'll vote Spacedaisy so Mac does't get it.
Why didn't you want me to "get it"?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.
I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:44 pm
by MacDougall
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.
I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.
Mirrored a lot of my thoughts Jack. Shall we dance together in honour of our failure to do so in the recent game?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:44 pm
by Sloonei
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.
Why on earth do people keep thinking I have actual reads on Day 0?

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:45 pm
by Sloonei
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.
Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.
I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.
There we go

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:45 pm
by MacDougall
Let me start by suggesting that Long Con is the optimal lynch here always.

1 - He's scummy
2 - He's Long Con, he only contributes when he's a wolf anyway so he's the best possible mislynch
3 - He didn't want me to have scrap

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:46 pm
by Sloonei
I wouldn’t say “pretend” though, I’m moving in a real direction when I vote, but it’s not because I think I’ve got anything figured out.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 0]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:47 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
sig wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear. :p
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.
If Nutella was here, she'd call this salad tho.

Re: FTL Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:48 pm
by MacDougall
Jack do you want to lock town each other and just ignore all scum tells in favour of destroying the game if we're right? I like the odds personally.