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Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:13 pm
by Hally
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:08 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:06 pm dizzy ur a huge cute now gimme chocolate
Spoiler: show
*modkills*
Spoiler: show
Jk *throws chocolate at*
Actually I just ate all I had :grin: but I'll fetch some more in the store rn
:heart:

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:58 am
by Alison
As loath as I am to ruin the unique nature of this voting system, I wonder if it might be optimal to just brute force it down to a regular voting system (since I vaguely suspect that's better for town, and certainly easy for people to play in because they're used to it) by simply coming to a town consensus with pseudo-votes etc. on who to exe, voting that person to get them into the 3P, then allowing the most trusted player (with 0 votes) to select the consensus kill and voting their kill to be verified.

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:04 am
by Alison
For example, let's say Sam the Scum is the player everyone agrees on to be the exe for the day (via pseudovoting) and Tammy the Town is the player everyone agrees on to be the most trusted player for the day. Everyone is then instructed to vote themselves, except Tammy, who votes Sam. That means Tammy has 0 votes, Sam has 2 votes (Tammy and themselves), and everyone else has 1 vote through the selfvote. So the 3P is Tammy and Sam, scum sends an additional person and I don't think it matters who. Tammy writes Sam as the exe choice, and everyone else agrees to confirm Tammy's kill order.

With coordination, that would allow us to brute force a regular voting system achieved through town consensus even with the unique mechanics. There is some flexibility - for example Tammy can go rogue and kill the third person in the Grasslands if they wish - but that is okay since Tammy is trusted anyway, and the choice is public so they can't get away with openwolfing, they have to account for their actions. It could be the right choice of Sam does something in the quicktopic that makes Tammy really inclined to townread them, and shoot the third person. Also, this methodology means that Tammy, the most trusted person, is protected from the nightkill, which is good for obvious reasons.

Also I think it's correct to force players to reveal all quicktopics at the first available opportunity under threat of policy exe - I don't think there's many scenarios where town would wish to conceal information like this.

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:11 am
by Hally
Alison wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:58 am As loath as I am to ruin the unique nature of this voting system, I wonder if it might be optimal to just brute force it down to a regular voting system (since I vaguely suspect that's better for town, and certainly easy for people to play in because they're used to it) by simply coming to a town consensus with pseudo-votes etc. on who to exe, voting that person to get them into the 3P, then allowing the most trusted player (with 0 votes) to select the consensus kill and voting their kill to be verified.
Alison wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:04 am For example, let's say Sam the Scum is the player everyone agrees on to be the exe for the day (via pseudovoting) and Tammy the Town is the player everyone agrees on to be the most trusted player for the day. Everyone is then instructed to vote themselves, except Tammy, who votes Sam. That means Tammy has 0 votes, Sam has 2 votes (Tammy and themselves), and everyone else has 1 vote through the selfvote. So the 3P is Tammy and Sam, scum sends an additional person and I don't think it matters who. Tammy writes Sam as the exe choice, and everyone else agrees to confirm Tammy's kill order.

With coordination, that would allow us to brute force a regular voting system achieved through town consensus even with the unique mechanics. There is some flexibility - for example Tammy can go rogue and kill the third person in the Grasslands if they wish - but that is okay since Tammy is trusted anyway, and the choice is public so they can't get away with openwolfing, they have to account for their actions. It could be the right choice of Sam does something in the quicktopic that makes Tammy really inclined to townread them, and shoot the third person. Also, this methodology means that Tammy, the most trusted person, is protected from the nightkill, which is good for obvious reasons.

Also I think it's correct to force players to reveal all quicktopics at the first available opportunity under threat of policy exe - I don't think there's many scenarios where town would wish to conceal information like this.
yup, this is the strategy we used last time

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:03 am
by Alison
That just makes it regular voting with slightly more power given to Tammy then.

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm
by nutella
oh no i need to actually read and digest the rules

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm
by Hally
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm oh no i need to actually read and digest the rules
psssh who does that

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:10 pm
by iaafr
why are you posting about this strategy pregame

I was going to post about it as my opener in the game

I mean idk I guess it's grey area but I'm against posting about setup strategy in the signup thread right before rand

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:11 pm
by iaafr
actually since it's not randed yet I actually don't feel like playing this anymore is there anybody else interested who can take my spot

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:13 pm
by iaafr
if you can't find a replacement I guess I'll play but like I'd prefer not to atp

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:15 pm
by Hally
[mention]Fatmo[/mention] [mention]Poison Chan[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] are you interested in playing?

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:42 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Oh no an arbitrary and made up etiquette rule was broken, the game is ruined

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:45 pm
by tutuu
iaafr wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:13 pm if you can't find a replacement I guess I'll play but like I'd prefer not to atp
i would love playing with you but its cool if you wanna sit out, do whats best for you

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:48 pm
by iaafr
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:42 pm Oh no an arbitrary and made up etiquette rule was broken, the game is ruined
i was already leaning towards not feeling this game

but this response helps reinforce my desire to not play

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:54 pm
by tutuu
:(

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:54 pm
by Hally
:(

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:00 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
🤷‍♀️

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:02 pm
by Carotenoid
/in, tutuu made me sign up :p

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:02 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Oh no, someone commenting on the arbitrariness and meaninglessness of my unwritten etiquette rules, better /out and be snide about it

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:03 pm
by Hally
Carotenoid wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:02 pm /in, tutuu made me sign up :p
\o/

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:05 pm
by tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:02 pm Oh no, someone commenting on the arbitrariness and meaninglessness of my unwritten etiquette rules, better /out and be snide about it
chill, dude, why are u needling him further? he already /outed and he said he was already not feeling happy for unrelated reasons, let it go

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:05 pm
by iaafr
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:02 pm Oh no, someone commenting on the arbitrariness and meaninglessness of my unwritten etiquette rules, better /out and be snide about it
i feel like you're being unnecessarily aggressive; i didnt spell out my full reasoning for wanting to out, you just assumed it was the etiquette thing alone when it really wasn't

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:07 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Yeah how dare I assume that you saying you don’t like something immediately before saying you’re /outing is connected

Really dumb of me tbh

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:08 pm
by iaafr
you alright dude? getting enough sleep? you sure youre not hungry?

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:10 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Yeah man life is actually really good rn

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:10 pm
by nutella
hey guys come watch the podcast instead k

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:11 pm
by nutella
this has been an official moderator order

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:11 pm
by iaafr
thats good; sorry for annoying you so much

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:35 pm
by Alison
Not sure what the issue is with explaining strategy prerand. You aren't going to be able to read me based on whether or not I explain strategy. If you're town you should be happy that someone who you know doesn't have a scum role card (because it's prerand) is explaining what they think is the best strategy to help town out. And if you're scum then you don't really have reason to be that unhappy because like, were you really counting on town not finding that strategy anyway?

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:06 pm
by Dyslexicon
I would actually prefer it if we didn't talk strategy in the sign up thread. I can't say that it's not allowed, I just feel it's better to let everything take place in the actual game. ^^

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:08 pm
by Dyslexicon
I will rand and send out roles either tonight or when I wake up tomorrow morning. Counting on us being able to get this up and running Monday evening!

Also, I will be starting the game with D1, not a D0, cause that is weird and I'm the boss. =p

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:08 pm
by Hally
we love you boss

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:22 pm
by staypositivefriend
hype!

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:23 pm
by Hally
h y p e

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:26 pm
by tutuu
whatever you say boss we arent in a position to protest considering your angelic hair taken straight from the heavens!

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:55 pm
by Dyslexicon
[mention]Fatmo[/mention] [mention]Poison Chan[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention]

Would any of you be willing to replace in?
The game has just started. =)

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:57 pm
by Poison
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:55 pm @Fatmo @Poison Chan @sprityo

Would any of you be willing to replace in?
The game has just started. =)
Sorry I'll pass already playing 3 games atm.

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:14 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:55 pm @Fatmo @Poison Chan @sprityo

Would any of you be willing to replace in?
The game has just started. =)
I’ll go if you still have the need.

Re: Grasslands [Sign-Ups 13/13]

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:16 pm
by Dyslexicon
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:55 pm @Fatmo @Poison Chan @sprityo

Would any of you be willing to replace in?
The game has just started. =)
I’ll go if you still have the need.
Fantastic! :cloud9: