The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

except that returning a guilty result is a coin toss on whether or not the game just ended

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 am which means the jester wants to be wolfy enough that the wolves won't NK them and not so wolfy that they're obvs the jester. That should narrow things down significantly. I think.

Also means wolves are more likely to claim jester tbh given that nobody actually wants to chop the jester here.

Also also means townies are less likely to claim jester. I think

Seems stretchy.

I think literally anyone is likely to claim jester.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

Yes, but like identifying the jester should still be a priority for mafia too. If the cop red checks the jester, mafia can sit back and do damage control for a time and the impetus is on the group as a whole to take a shot on lynching that red check or not. And mafia can just NK the jester on their own time.

Anyway, I’m the jester

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:20 pm Anyway, I’m the jester

*Of my IRL relationship

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

Yes, but like identifying the jester should still be a priority for mafia too. If the cop red checks the jester, mafia can sit back and do damage control for a time and the impetus is on the group as a whole to take a shot on lynching that red check or not. And mafia can just NK the jester on their own time.

the problem with a red check in this game is that you can't actually risk chopping the red check unless you're incredibly sure it's the goon and not the jester. So a red check here basically is: we now have to determine if this is a wolf or the jester, and if that determination can't be made then the check might as well not exist OTHER than it allows us to "freeze" said player out of the game. which I guess might be good?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

Yes, but like identifying the jester should still be a priority for mafia too. If the cop red checks the jester, mafia can sit back and do damage control for a time and the impetus is on the group as a whole to take a shot on lynching that red check or not. And mafia can just NK the jester on their own time.

the problem with a red check in this game is that you can't actually risk chopping the red check unless you're incredibly sure it's the goon and not the jester. So a red check here basically is: we now have to determine if this is a wolf or the jester, and if that determination can't be made then the check might as well not exist OTHER than it allows us to "freeze" said player out of the game. which I guess might be good?

Correct. So either the cop withholds their red checks until they get 2 or they only reveal green checks? Though even then The Godfather is part of the that so it’s not clearing.

Hence, I think the cop is more scum sided in this setup

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:45 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

Yes, but like identifying the jester should still be a priority for mafia too. If the cop red checks the jester, mafia can sit back and do damage control for a time and the impetus is on the group as a whole to take a shot on lynching that red check or not. And mafia can just NK the jester on their own time.

the problem with a red check in this game is that you can't actually risk chopping the red check unless you're incredibly sure it's the goon and not the jester. So a red check here basically is: we now have to determine if this is a wolf or the jester, and if that determination can't be made then the check might as well not exist OTHER than it allows us to "freeze" said player out of the game. which I guess might be good?

Correct. So either the cop withholds their red checks until they get 2 or they only reveal green checks? Though even then The Godfather is part of the that so it’s not clearing.

Hence, I think the cop is more scum sided in this setup

kinda yeah.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

Yes, but like identifying the jester should still be a priority for mafia too. If the cop red checks the jester, mafia can sit back and do damage control for a time and the impetus is on the group as a whole to take a shot on lynching that red check or not. And mafia can just NK the jester on their own time.

Ah, I see what you are saying.

Gives incentive for cop to hold data.

After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:16 pm After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

best mech

Relax guys I know what I'm doing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:27 pm Relax guys I know what I'm doing

that makes one of us so good on you!

Yah but only one of us rolled cop so

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:37 pm Yah but only one of us rolled cop so

can confirm am idiot cop

The story starts like it usually does. A mafia is terrorizing the small town, and the villagers decide to do something about it and start executing suspects at the town square.

Except this time, there was something different going on: clowns.

A circus arrived at the city. Well, people like circuses. Except this one was just clowns. And people hate clowns. They made bad jokes and weird noses so both town and mafia decided to make a truce and slaughter them.

After a few days, the clown menace was exterminated. Or so they thought. Turns out one clown had managed to escape, disguising himself among the townspeople. And so, as the usual town vs mafia battle continued, a new condition had emerged to the battle: they had to keep the clown away from the executions, or the whole fight risked being demoralized forever.

Ok, now that the game has officially started, I hard claim Jester, never rescinding.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:01 pm Ok, now that the game has officially started, I hard claim Jester, never rescinding.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine
I don't believe you

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:11 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:01 pm Ok, now that the game has officially started, I hard claim Jester, never rescinding.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine
I don't believe you

That's the objective.

I literally don't care who dies, so tell me where to put my vote, and I'll vote with the funniest person at EoD.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:14 pm I literally don't care who dies, so tell me where to put my vote, and I'll vote with the funniest person at EoD.

if you were really jester you'd place the funniest vote, not vote with the funniest person. outed soz

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:16 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:14 pm I literally don't care who dies, so tell me where to put my vote, and I'll vote with the funniest person at EoD.

if you were really jester you'd place the funniest vote, not vote with the funniest person. outed soz

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:14 pm I literally don't care who dies, so tell me where to put my vote, and I'll vote with the funniest person at EoD.

Me. Put it on me.

I do think it's in my best interest to scumhunt. Mafia will never suspect a jester who's trying.

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:25 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:16 pm After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

best mech

“After The Godfather dies, idk”

Probably stay silent until you get 2 reds, or maybe try to keep a green from being yeeted

Alright now that the other game is finished and I picked up my first win in my come back.

Time to reset and work for the second W in a row.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:50 pm LP's entrance seems most stilted but that doesn't mean anything at this point

naa unironically not a jester imo, idk skimming P#17 seems to on the nose for jester kinda

marmot following HK's 24 with 25, kinda scummy but maybe in a jestery way

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:16 pm After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

So far Dolby's posting seem like the towniest in regard to getting right into snap reads at the start of the game. I agree with HK's sentiment that it feels like town enthusiasm.

Plus the PR talk feels like it has some high town intentions.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:48 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:45 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pm Or I guess put another way, if I were mafia I’d want the coo around to help assure the jester is found for mutually assured protection

Don't mafia lose if jester is found and misyeeted?

Yes, but like identifying the jester should still be a priority for mafia too. If the cop red checks the jester, mafia can sit back and do damage control for a time and the impetus is on the group as a whole to take a shot on lynching that red check or not. And mafia can just NK the jester on their own time.

the problem with a red check in this game is that you can't actually risk chopping the red check unless you're incredibly sure it's the goon and not the jester. So a red check here basically is: we now have to determine if this is a wolf or the jester, and if that determination can't be made then the check might as well not exist OTHER than it allows us to "freeze" said player out of the game. which I guess might be good?

Correct. So either the cop withholds their red checks until they get 2 or they only reveal green checks? Though even then The Godfather is part of the that so it’s not clearing.

Hence, I think the cop is more scum sided in this setup

kinda yeah.

I also like this convo between HK and Scotty while they talk about the mechanics of the game.
Trying to figure out how the jester with the cop around impacts the game and how mafia are going to need to play around it since Jester can win by themselves.

carry me town Coke daddy

Tbh I’d just lynch the guilty jester or not.
WCS we have a funny story.

Funny story that the last MafiaCafe game that happened was a jester setup. One mafia got flipped and I towncleared someone based off the flipped mafia member's spew. Turned out it was the jester and I made them unyeetable based on that and they got frustrated by it.

If I manage to townclear the jester again after a wolf flip, there will be more laughter to come.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:09 pm Funny story that the last MafiaCafe game that happened was a jester setup. One mafia got flipped and I towncleared someone based off the flipped mafia member's spew. Turned out it was the jester and I made them unyeetable based on that and they got frustrated by it.

If I manage to townclear the jester again after a wolf flip, there will be more laughter to come.

I'm so god danm mad about that game!
I was playing the perfect chaos D1, managed to guess right on a wolf, lead their wagon for a while, said kill them tomorrow, then the fucking wolves night killed me. MY BODY WAS READY FOR THAT ROLE AND I WAS DENIED.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:12 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:09 pm Funny story that the last MafiaCafe game that happened was a jester setup. One mafia got flipped and I towncleared someone based off the flipped mafia member's spew. Turned out it was the jester and I made them unyeetable based on that and they got frustrated by it.

If I manage to townclear the jester again after a wolf flip, there will be more laughter to come.

I'm so god danm mad about that game!
I was playing the perfect chaos D1, managed to guess right on a wolf, lead their wagon for a while, said kill them tomorrow, then the fucking wolves night killed me. MY BODY WAS READY FOR THAT ROLE AND I WAS DENIED.

Your legacy ended up flipping a wolf too!

NAA is tjtbaj

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:13 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:12 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:09 pm Funny story that the last MafiaCafe game that happened was a jester setup. One mafia got flipped and I towncleared someone based off the flipped mafia member's spew. Turned out it was the jester and I made them unyeetable based on that and they got frustrated by it.

If I manage to townclear the jester again after a wolf flip, there will be more laughter to come.

I'm so god danm mad about that game!
I was playing the perfect chaos D1, managed to guess right on a wolf, lead their wagon for a while, said kill them tomorrow, then the fucking wolves night killed me. MY BODY WAS READY FOR THAT ROLE AND I WAS DENIED.

Your legacy ended up flipping a wolf too!

I know! That Damn Bruno. I never should have talked about Bruno

Why is it dead again?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:07 pm Why is it dead again?

Was it ever alive?
I think everytime I check in my free time I see like maybe 2 new posts.

Unfortunately most of the players are just playing ultra passive and just saying "Well I'm not the Jester."
Frankly. I don't see any real point in even worrying about the Jester. If we lynch someone being scummy and they flip Jester, oh well gg.
I for one think it's a pointless point of speculation until we actually have a red check and we can see if their posts have seemed Jestery.

The actual only thing of interest that has happened this game has been the discussion on the Cop not claiming.
A point I think is stupid and honestly Dolby pushing it seems pretty anti-town to me.

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:53 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:25 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:16 pm After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

best mech

“After The Godfather dies, idk”

Probably stay silent until you get 2 reds, or maybe try to keep a green from being yeeted

I mean the first post in this chain is pretty pointless as no duh if the Jester dies a Cop redcheck is absolutely just a free dead Mafia.
Saying that getting a redcheck after GF dies to not claim it is just wrong IMO.
For starters there is a Doctor, so Cop claiming is 100% safe if Doctor is alive. Granted if Doctor is dead there may be some room to say not claiming may help, but as a blanket I very much disagree.
Second if GF dies the Cop outing a redcheck is still good even if we suspect that player to be the Jester. At least we know they cannot be trusted to help the Town and I'd rather the Cop not be sniped knowing someone is a Goon or Jester.
We also can still get information from Cop's green checks. If GF dies all Green checks are confirmed townies. Cop has a lot more power besides maybe finding the Jester.

And honestly reading over Dolby's posts they seem pretty focused on the Jester and Jester fearmongering.
I feel, personally, the Mafia are going to be far more worried of the Jester and alert for it. After all they are only looking for indications someone might be trying to scumside.
Town meanwhile are trying to find the difference between Mafia scummy behavior and Jester scummy behavior.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:50 pm LP's entrance seems most stilted but that doesn't mean anything at this point

naa unironically not a jester imo, idk skimming P#17 seems to on the nose for jester kinda

marmot following HK's 24 with 25, kinda scummy but maybe in a jestery way

Like this early reads in particular.

It sounds like stilted in this context is trying to be used to insinuate that I am a Jester trying to act natural.
They say NAA isn't Jester, but also sounds like Jester.
And Marmot is Jestery.

None of these are Town reads, and at least 2 of them are directly related to Jester and none of them even mention Mafia.
This comes across as someone who is way too hyperfocused on the Jester. Combined with what I noticed about their odd request for Cop to basically sit this game out and not participate I do not like them at all so far.
I don't think this is Jester either. this seems like Mafia trying to get Town to focus on Jester as a distraction.

I...see what you're talking about actually in terms of Dolby's reads being jester focused. I might've jumped the gun on townreading him there but I'll see how he responds.

I do think cop should out after GF dies if there's a red check if the doctor is still alive so that they can at least get future checks now that you're mentioning that as well.

I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:19 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:50 pm LP's entrance seems most stilted but that doesn't mean anything at this point

naa unironically not a jester imo, idk skimming P#17 seems to on the nose for jester kinda

marmot following HK's 24 with 25, kinda scummy but maybe in a jestery way

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:16 pm After mafia goon dies, cop should act like a named towny unless the jester is being yeeted

After The Godfather dies, idk

After the jester dies, cop should act like a cop

So far Dolby's posting seem like the towniest in regard to getting right into snap reads at the start of the game. I agree with HK's sentiment that it feels like town enthusiasm.

Plus the PR talk feels like it has some high town intentions.

Am I used to seeing Dolby get right into snap reads off the hop?


No, I am not. I find it uncharacteristic

I'm seeing lots of Jester talk, but where is the MANIA???!!!%^+&×&$£;



IMMA VOTE SOMEBODY

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

[VOTE: No kill] aubergine


Eh, I'll do it later

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

The way you both interact...it just feels...off?



Anyways,

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

He's prolly Godfather

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

The way you both interact...it just feels...off?



Anyways,

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

He's prolly Godfather

But why one in that case?
I think we've had a total of maybe 3 posts directed at each other combined.
And if it's off I'd be more incline to think SvS than SvT since it's hard to have a conversation that feels off but not realyl directed at anyone in particular with it being TvS.