The Syndicate

kneel4justice wrote:I was going to choose Unknown, just because it sounds dangerous but then other people did for my reasons *looks at FZ*. Lol
Oh, Team KSITE, how do you feel about going into the same location??

Sorsha wrote:Hello everyone

Well, I don't know anything about any of these places or what they have to do with wrestling so I'll be waiting till later to make my vote, I guess.

And it looks like there is a lie detector. DF- Are "I am a civvie" statements acceptable?

If so, I'm a civvie

Hmmmm, I'm not sure how to feel about this. Something is just weird about it.
Do you really think those type of statements would be acceptable? I am wondering if you knew they would not be acceptable but wanted to be the first to make this claim so that you look like you're willing to risk being caught in a lie, when you're really not. That or some kind of reverse psychology, hoping that because you risked it that this player wouldn't choose you, because they'd think what scum would make that gamble when unnecessary!
But maybe you're just a 'civvie'. Hmpft, I dunno.

Yes, I have played many games where statements like "I am civvie" are acceptable to make at the beginning of games, especially when there is a lie detector in the game. Somewhere along the line the whole lie detector role kinda fell out of fashion- I think because every game was started with everyone saying "I'm and civvie," inevitably someone would forget to say it, leading to their lynch in a lot of cases.

Interesting... looks like a couple of people seem to have an issue with making lie detector statements easily detectable.

Anyway- I'm going with The Titan Towers. No one has any info on the poll anyway so it sounds to me like its pretty much gonna be a crap shoot.

I voted for Dudgaywwilee because so did Vomps and I trust him k

Sorsha wrote:Interesting... looks like a couple of people seem to have an issue with making lie detector statements easily detectable.

Anyway- I'm going with The Titan Towers. No one has any info on the poll anyway so it sounds to me like its pretty much gonna be a crap shoot.

Nobody has info, true. But Titan Towers is the WWE's corporate headquarters. One of the baddie teams is The Corporation. Just sayin'.

I'm gonna go *Vote Death Valley* because out of the two possibly civ-connected options I think Taker is a badass (was also my best friend's favourite growing up) and I've never seen an Ultimate Warrior match I'm sorry to his fans but he's about a decade before my time.

Lizzy wrote:I voted for Dudgaywwilee because so did Vomps and I trust him k

Well maybe I'll vote the same as vomps because I don't trust him.

A Person wrote:

Lizzy wrote:I voted for Dudgaywwilee because so did Vomps and I trust him k

Well maybe I'll vote the same as vomps because I don't trust him.

:oOoooo tyre

Lizzy wrote:

A Person wrote:

Lizzy wrote:I voted for Dudgaywwilee because so did Vomps and I trust him k

Well maybe I'll vote the same as vomps because I don't trust him.

:oOoooo tyre

tu2e ddks

I done did it

OK, I am gonna go with Death Valley; no one seemed to have any overt bad things to say about the wrestlers associated with it, while the other three options could have bad associations. With no info, but having 4 options and 4 groups, I am still thinking this poll may still benefit someone.

It is nice to see the fresh eyes who are not used to our style of things~ having to explain things most of us take for granted will pull us all out of the SOP we can tend to use, and maybe rely a bit less on style.

*Vote Death Valley*

Yay Game.

Thank you Epi for the poll info. I still have no clue which option is best, however. Hmm, lets go with....Parts Unknown.

I voted Death Valley, because RIP Paul Bearer.

Bullzeye wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Interesting... looks like a couple of people seem to have an issue with making lie detector statements easily detectable.

Anyway- I'm going with The Titan Towers. No one has any info on the poll anyway so it sounds to me like its pretty much gonna be a crap shoot.

Nobody has info, true. But Titan Towers is the WWE's corporate headquarters. One of the baddie teams is The Corporation. Just sayin'.

I'm gonna go *Vote Death Valley* because out of the two possibly civ-connected options I think Taker is a badass (was also my best friend's favourite growing up) and I've never seen an Ultimate Warrior match I'm sorry to his fans but he's about a decade before my time.

I actually don't much like Warrior matches. At Wrestlemania VII he faces Randy Savage, and Savage hit Warrior with his finisher FIVE times in a row...and Warrior kicked out. It was ridiculous.

Anyway, off for now, I'm going to see TLC tonight! (not in person, just at a restaurant) I will be back before the poll closes though.

DFaraday wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Interesting... looks like a couple of people seem to have an issue with making lie detector statements easily detectable.

Anyway- I'm going with The Titan Towers. No one has any info on the poll anyway so it sounds to me like its pretty much gonna be a crap shoot.

Nobody has info, true. But Titan Towers is the WWE's corporate headquarters. One of the baddie teams is The Corporation. Just sayin'.

I'm gonna go *Vote Death Valley* because out of the two possibly civ-connected options I think Taker is a badass (was also my best friend's favourite growing up) and I've never seen an Ultimate Warrior match I'm sorry to his fans but he's about a decade before my time.

I actually don't much like Warrior matches. At Wrestlemania VII he faces Randy Savage, and Savage hit Warrior with his finisher FIVE times in a row...and Warrior kicked out. It was ridiculous.

Anyway, off for now, I'm going to see TLC tonight! (not in person, just at a restaurant) I will be back before the poll closes though.

Sounds like someone quite modern actually *cough*SuperCena*cough*. Enjoy TLC! I'll be watching tomorrow, it's pretty much a given that there won't actually be a new undisputed champ at the end, right? Something screwy is gonna happen with that main event.

Bullzeye wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Interesting... looks like a couple of people seem to have an issue with making lie detector statements easily detectable.

Anyway- I'm going with The Titan Towers. No one has any info on the poll anyway so it sounds to me like its pretty much gonna be a crap shoot.

Nobody has info, true. But Titan Towers is the WWE's corporate headquarters. One of the baddie teams is The Corporation. Just sayin'.

I'm gonna go *Vote Death Valley* because out of the two possibly civ-connected options I think Taker is a badass (was also my best friend's favourite growing up) and I've never seen an Ultimate Warrior match I'm sorry to his fans but he's about a decade before my time.

I actually don't much like Warrior matches. At Wrestlemania VII he faces Randy Savage, and Savage hit Warrior with his finisher FIVE times in a row...and Warrior kicked out. It was ridiculous.

Anyway, off for now, I'm going to see TLC tonight! (not in person, just at a restaurant) I will be back before the poll closes though.

Sounds like someone quite modern actually *cough*SuperCena*cough*. Enjoy TLC! I'll be watching tomorrow, it's pretty much a given that there won't actually be a new undisputed champ at the end, right? Something screwy is gonna happen with that main event.

Thanks! I'm hoping for a Cena heel turn, although we know how likely that is.

Does anyone remember how DF's Day 0 poll worked in Spider Man Mafia? Was it info-based, single reward, or a different reward for each voter depending on your vote?

EBWOP: Anyways, I'm thinking it's the latter of my 3 questions.

Just then, announcer Michael Cole walked up to the group. “Not this way!” screamed Cole. “I was sent by the GM to make sure all of you are investigating the case. He gave me a list of places you might want to check out first.”

The group looked at the list: Titan Towers, Death Valley, Dudleyville, and Parts Unknown.

I'm really amused that one of the places the GM wants us to investigate is his own headquarters. He's already at the darn place, can't he just tell us what's there in the first place?

But yeah, I want to investigate the Tower. If this is one of those "Everybody gets something for their choice" Day 0s, then I'd like to take a look in the place with the least amount of votes.

Additionally, I think a lot of you are using some fallible logic in thinking that Corporation = baddie, so TT must automatically = baddie reward.

A: There's no "most civ" option when it comes to hometown wrestlers from the other 3 options, from what I've read thus far.

B: As I said before, the wording within the writeup and overall story here seems like we're investigating the (winning?) location for clues pertaining to the murder. The option that we, as players, know 1 group of baddies call home could wind up being more beneficial.

*votes Titan Towers*

Mister Rearranger wrote:EBWOP: Anyways, I'm thinking it's the latter of my 3 questions.

Just then, announcer Michael Cole walked up to the group. “Not this way!” screamed Cole. “I was sent by the GM to make sure all of you are investigating the case. He gave me a list of places you might want to check out first.”

The group looked at the list: Titan Towers, Death Valley, Dudleyville, and Parts Unknown.

I'm really amused that one of the places the GM wants us to investigate is his own headquarters. He's already at the darn place, can't he just tell us what's there in the first place?

But yeah, I want to investigate the Tower. If this is one of those "Everybody gets something for their choice" Day 0s, then I'd like to take a look in the place with the least amount of votes.

Additionally, I think a lot of you are using some fallible logic in thinking that Corporation = baddie, so TT must automatically = baddie reward.

A: There's no "most civ" option when it comes to hometown wrestlers from the other 3 options, from what I've read thus far.

B: As I said before, the wording within the writeup and overall story here seems like we're investigating the (winning?) location for clues pertaining to the murder. The option that we, as players, know 1 group of baddies call home could wind up being more beneficial.

*votes Titan Towers*

I actually agree with the the bolded. I was wondering if we could change votes, but I'm glad it now has more votes.

I went with Death Valley because the undertaker was the man when I was a kid.

I have yet to get my gif on, so I'ma just leave this here:

I know nothing about any of these so I think I will just roll with the parts unknown one. Mostly because it sounds interesting, lol.

kneel4justice wrote:So are we gonna scumhunt or nah?

Way ahead of you.

We can start now~ usually we wait until the results of the Day Zero poll for "smoking guns" but if something pings you, go for it

And~ I am gonna go into NP blue as this is Moddish business, not game related and not really OT:

Smilies have been added and they have been rearranged~ the commonest are on the posting page, and "personal" smilies, large ones and more active gifs have been moved to the second page. To find the ones not displayed in the posting box, go all of the way to the bottom of the smilies displayed next to the posting box, and it says "View More Smilies". Go to subsequent pages, and there they be

If you will use one there a lot, just memorize the code~

FZ. wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:Great, just my luck...the two games I signed up for started at the same time

Hey Summer and Jenny. I posted a welcome post in the sign up thread, but for some reason it didn't transfer. So: Yay, so happy to have you here as well

The posts from the sign up thread do not join the game thread. No real reason why, that is just how we do it

I know, I meant I didn't find it there, not here, but thanks.

Mongoose wrote:Wow, such a massive player list!

I picked Titan Towers, because I don'tlike the sound of the other options. I didn't even check to see who had voted what yet and just went on instinct.

I'm going to be on a boat all day, but I think you can be without my zany antics and wacky theories for one day. <3

The bolded sounds a little apologetic. When I see people saying they didn't do something and explaining something unimportant, without anyone even asking them, it makes me uneasy. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Nice catch. I agree, that is worded strangely, but again, not sure if it means anything. It's a good observation though, something to keep in mind.

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:For the record, K4J, I agree with you regarding Sorsha's post; it seemed unnecessary to me, as if she's trying too hard. BUT I have heard of games where those types of statements were "checkable", so maybe it's possible. Seems rarer to me though and kind of pointless, but I suppose her post could be completely legit. I don't THINK I've ever played one where statements that blatant were checkable by a lie detector role though.

Consequently, I'm not sure her post really means anything at all. I don't think it really tells me anything, especially this early in the game. But, out of curiosity, do others agree here with my assessment and was anyone else wildly pinged by that statement?

I am assuming that you were pinged by the statement because of the bold.
So my question for you is, why are you only mentioning being pinged after I mentioned her post and not initially when you read it? Feel free to correct me if you did mention it before now.

Correct.

No, you didn't miss anything, I didn't mention it. Because, given in the end I decided it really told me nothing about Sorsha's alignment, I didn't think it was worth mentioning. I thought maybe I was just reading too much into it to be honest. I have a past of making a huge deal out of little things, then campaigning for that person's lynch, and then having them flip civvie, so I am purposefully trying to be more cautious and consider all sides and perspectives.

Truth is I could see the motivation of a civvie wanting to say something like that in a game with a lie detector just as much as I could see a baddie wanting to cover their ass.

And if I remember correctly, Sorsha entered mafia at a time before I did, and by the time I entered, there were still lie detector roles but they seemed to start going out of style. Consequently, I've only played a handful or so of games with lie detector roles... So my knowledge as to what is 'general' go-to behavior in a game with a lie detector role that COULD detect statements like "I'm a civvie" is nearly as low as yours. Thus, Sorsha's behavior could have been completely par for the course for all I know.

All of that said, it still struck me as unnecessary and odd, but one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies. It just means you have two different minds and thus act differently. I've seen more players lynched over simple misunderstandings or lack of seeing each other's point of view than I have over actual, solid evidence.

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:For the record, K4J, I agree with you regarding Sorsha's post; it seemed unnecessary to me, as if she's trying too hard. BUT I have heard of games where those types of statements were "checkable", so maybe it's possible. Seems rarer to me though and kind of pointless, but I suppose her post could be completely legit. I don't THINK I've ever played one where statements that blatant were checkable by a lie detector role though.

Consequently, I'm not sure her post really means anything at all. I don't think it really tells me anything, especially this early in the game. But, out of curiosity, do others agree here with my assessment and was anyone else wildly pinged by that statement?

What I'm wondering about is do you ask questions through PMs or does it all happen in the thread?
Did she say all that just so she could say "I'm a civvie"? She could have said that without making it so noticeable that it's for the lie detector.

Players can ask game-related questions via PM or in the thread. I personally prefer to ask them in thread (and that others do so as well), but obviously role-related questions would be confined to PM... unless you want to role out yourself and break the rules.

S~V~S wrote:It is nice to see the fresh eyes who are not used to our style of things~ having to explain things most of us take for granted will pull us all out of the SOP we can tend to use, and maybe rely a bit less on style.

Agreed entirely!

And I love delving into game theory and game behavior -- why people act the way they do, why we play the way we do, what makes someone truly baddie, etc.

Linkitis with SVS: Yes, we can scumhunt, but as I explained in the game over on KSite, you guys are WAY more out of the gate, starting to accuse and such than we are over here. Day 0 periods it is pretty standard to not discuss suspicions at all, though players have been known to point out things they find suspicious or pingy.

kneel4justice wrote:So are we gonna scumhunt or nah?

I know. I'm thinking what are they waiting for? Lol. I guess we do play differently on Ksite. I'm holding myself...

So what is it that people do on day 0? Joke around? Because I have to admit, judging from the other game, people here are funny. But again, I have to ask, what's day 0 for?

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:So are we gonna scumhunt or nah?

I know. I'm thinking what are they waiting for? Lol. I guess we do play differently on Ksite. I'm holding myself...

Why are you holding yourself? You and I both know nothing is going to get done that way, so why?
Any thoughts so far?

And do people Die Night 0?

MovingPictures07 wrote: Day 0 periods it is pretty standard to not discuss suspicions at all, though players have been known to point out things they find suspicious or pingy.

I find half-blanket statements like this to be very fishy...

FZ. wrote:So what is it that people do on day 0? Joke around? Because I have to admit, judging from the other game, people here are funny. But again, I have to ask, what's day 0 for?

Juggling for position, really. At Ksite, you guys are WAAAAYYY more aggressive, we tend to let things develop a bit. If you want to shake us up though, and do it your way, go for it.

Linki @ K4J~ No, there are usually no NKs before the first lynch. Most host go right from the pregame into Day One.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:So are we gonna scumhunt or nah?

I know. I'm thinking what are they waiting for? Lol. I guess we do play differently on Ksite. I'm holding myself...

Why are you holding yourself? You and I both know nothing is going to get done that way, so why?
Any thoughts so far?

And do people Die Night 0?

I'm holding myself because I don't want them to feel like we're taking over. I'm trying to play by their style. If the other game I'm currently playing is any indication, after day 0, comes day 1 and not night 0. That came as a surprise to me, which made me even more puzzled about the need for day 0.
In any case, the only one that seemed fishy to me was Mongoose for her over explanation, and maybe Sorsha for what you said, though I could still see her doing it as a townie. Neither is big enough to make me feel suspicious that much, but I'm keeping an eye on those two. You?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Day 0 periods it is pretty standard to not discuss suspicions at all, though players have been known to point out things they find suspicious or pingy.

I find half-blanket statements like this to be very fishy...

Is that a joke or are you being serious?

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:So what is it that people do on day 0? Joke around? Because I have to admit, judging from the other game, people here are funny. But again, I have to ask, what's day 0 for?

Juggling for position, really. At Ksite, you guys are WAAAAYYY more aggressive, we tend to let things develop a bit. If you want to shake us up though, and do it your way, go for it.

Linki @ K4J~ No, there are usually no NKs before the first lynch. Most host go right from the pregame into Day One.

I actually want to try your style. Sadly, I find myself not being able to control my thoughts, haha.

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

Not feeling it yet, but it's early. We'll see

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

Expect defensiveness now, though it means nothing about his alliance
And why?

MovingPictures07 wrote: All of that said, it still struck me as unnecessary and odd, but one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies. It just means you have two different minds and thus act differently. I've seen more players lynched over simple misunderstandings or lack of seeing each other's point of view than I have over actual, solid evidence.

I just have trouble understanding this method of thinking. Yes, I have seen misunderstandings, and there is a line between scummy behavior and just different styles. But why not at least make note of it, if you find it to be odd. While it could be something between playing styles, it could also be weird behavior from scum. And if you don't mention it, then you get absolutely nothing out of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by solid evidence, if you mean powers or just something a bit more suspicious? But I'd rather start now and small than too late. But I understand that's now how you guys do things so I am just going to allow you all to play your way and just keep commenting. I don't mean to barge in, like FZ I can't help myself. Lol

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

Mkay.
Can't wait.

Hi new people. And old people.
I voted PU.

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

@FZ: Orange was the sarcastic color back in the ol' Lostpedia days. I don't know if it's changed between Rev Mafia and here or what the color is now, but I always liked Sarcastic Orange. Perhaps SVS or MP know for sure what the designated color is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies.

I have died many times to prove this.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
@FZ: Orange was the sarcastic color back in the ol' Lostpedia days. I don't know if it's changed between Rev Mafia and here or what the color is now, but I always liked Sarcastic Orange. Perhaps SVS or MP know for sure what the designated color is.

Oh, OK. I started out laughing, but then I stopped and thought I was missing something.
If sarcasm has a font color, half the posts here would be in that color...

I think I've talked enough. I'm going to bed now.
I just want to say, it's really fun playing with new people and trying to adjust to a different style

If nothing changes, I think I'm voting for Mongoose.

Bye

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

@FZ: Orange was the sarcastic color back in the ol' Lostpedia days. I don't know if it's changed between Rev Mafia and here or what the color is now, but I always liked Sarcastic Orange. Perhaps SVS or MP know for sure what the designated color is.

It's still orange~ it's a Lostpedia tradition from like 2007 or 2008 ha ha

I'm having a hard time keeping up lol not gonna lie. This is harder than I thought. I keep losing the last place I was here...

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: All of that said, it still struck me as unnecessary and odd, but one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies. It just means you have two different minds and thus act differently. I've seen more players lynched over simple misunderstandings or lack of seeing each other's point of view than I have over actual, solid evidence.

I just have trouble understanding this method of thinking. Yes, I have seen misunderstandings, and there is a line between scummy behavior and just different styles. But why not at least make note of it, if you find it to be odd. While it could be something between playing styles, it could also be weird behavior from scum. And if you don't mention it, then you get absolutely nothing out of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by solid evidence, if you mean powers or just something a bit more suspicious? But I'd rather start now and small than too late. But I understand that's now how you guys do things so I am just going to allow you all to play your way and just keep commenting. I don't mean to barge in, like FZ I can't help myself. Lol

I do agree with you here Kitty, can I still call you that here? Idk I don't want to type K4J it feels too weird to me lol. But yes, I agree, some things if they catch your eye should be mentioned because you never know if it can help you or others out later on in the game. Better to mention it now and get it out there rather than not.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:So are we gonna scumhunt or nah?

I know. I'm thinking what are they waiting for? Lol. I guess we do play differently on Ksite. I'm holding myself...

Why are you holding yourself? You and I both know nothing is going to get done that way, so why?
Any thoughts so far?

And do people Die Night 0?

We're waiting to see what develops. As I elaborated in the KSite game, your mafia atmosphere is SO different than ours on so many levels. I thought YOU guys were nuts! Lol. I do not understand how anyone can assert anything with such confidence, especially so early on in a game, so I was shocked at all the accusations flying around in your game. Typically that doesn't happen to near the same degree here. It's just a cultural difference, I suppose.

Most games do not have a Night 0.

FZ. wrote:So what is it that people do on day 0? Joke around? Because I have to admit, judging from the other game, people here are funny. But again, I have to ask, what's day 0 for?

It's a way to get people acclimated to the game and ease into Day 1, as well as introduce the theme, and start up discussion. It also could be used to award prizes.

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

Lol, that's how I ALWAYS play, regardless of alignment.

You've seen me play over there, surely?

Also, we do NOT typically start gunning after each other Day 0. I don't understand how you're supposed to gleam evidence about someone's alignment when you have nothing to go off of.

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: All of that said, it still struck me as unnecessary and odd, but one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies. It just means you have two different minds and thus act differently. I've seen more players lynched over simple misunderstandings or lack of seeing each other's point of view than I have over actual, solid evidence.

I just have trouble understanding this method of thinking. Yes, I have seen misunderstandings, and there is a line between scummy behavior and just different styles. But why not at least make note of it, if you find it to be odd. While it could be something between playing styles, it could also be weird behavior from scum. And if you don't mention it, then you get absolutely nothing out of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by solid evidence, if you mean powers or just something a bit more suspicious? But I'd rather start now and small than too late. But I understand that's now how you guys do things so I am just going to allow you all to play your way and just keep commenting. I don't mean to barge in, like FZ I can't help myself. Lol

Odd does not equal suspicious. All it does is give baddies fodder to lynch people over ridiculous assertions and it leads to Salem witch hunt style accusations. "He's different! I don't understand his behavior and I don't see how it could be townie because that's not how I'd play as a townie, so let's lynch him!" It's logically completely unsound.

Yes, any behavior COULD be weird behavior from scum, but it's never that simple. Players all have different styles, different schedules, etc., and it's ridiculous to make a definitive assertion that someone is baddie based on one little comment, especially when one could understand the line of reasoning for such a comment if that person were a civvie or a baddie.

Solid evidence -- voting records, manipulative behavior, night powers, etc. See, our games we have public roles, so sometimes you can deduce someone based off of that information. Someone may survive an NK and you'd wonder, well, how? That's some sort of information, though it can be very speculative. What I find to be a much bigger indicator is voting record and posting behavior. These are concrete things you can assess over time, and while I do believe it is good to follow your gut, and I like to do it as well, most of the time there's so little information to base decisions off of so early in the game. Day 1 is typically a crapshoot, though there are your occasional Day 1s where you actually catch someone.

Anyway, I told you; I thought what I did about Sorsha's post, but then realized there could be any number of explanations for it, and I felt it in the civvies' best interest not to say anything just yet. I found it to be a meaningless observation, at least for now. Why flood the thread with observations that I believe will not help analysis?

I love to voice nearly everything I think, but I don't voice EVERYTHING I think... or I try not to, because when I do, I demand the thread like a foaming dog and get civvies lynched 9 times out of 10. I'm trying to better my game and one way I've realized to do that is to take a step back and consider perspectives before just blindly gunning after someone for something that indicates NOTHING about alignment.

If I seriously thought Sorsha's comment was genuinely suspicious, I would have said so. But it just struck me as a bit odd, not suspicious.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

@FZ: Orange was the sarcastic color back in the ol' Lostpedia days. I don't know if it's changed between Rev Mafia and here or what the color is now, but I always liked Sarcastic Orange. Perhaps SVS or MP know for sure what the designated color is.

It still is!

In fact, we have a "sarc" button up there when you reply to a topic, much like OT.

A Person wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies.

I have died many times to prove this.

This is very true.

So have others, but you are perhaps one of the best examples.

Loulou26 wrote:I'm having a hard time keeping up lol not gonna lie. This is harder than I thought. I keep losing the last place I was here...

You're doing a fantastic job, no worries. Games tend to be most talkative early on, then gradually die off. I'm sure it's MUCH more difficult consider you're adjusting to an entirely different style of play, more players than you're used to, and tons of players you do not know at all.

Loulou26 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: All of that said, it still struck me as unnecessary and odd, but one thing I've learned is that drawing attention to players who exhibit behavior that to YOU seems unnecessary or odd doesn't catch you baddies. It just means you have two different minds and thus act differently. I've seen more players lynched over simple misunderstandings or lack of seeing each other's point of view than I have over actual, solid evidence.

I just have trouble understanding this method of thinking. Yes, I have seen misunderstandings, and there is a line between scummy behavior and just different styles. But why not at least make note of it, if you find it to be odd. While it could be something between playing styles, it could also be weird behavior from scum. And if you don't mention it, then you get absolutely nothing out of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by solid evidence, if you mean powers or just something a bit more suspicious? But I'd rather start now and small than too late. But I understand that's now how you guys do things so I am just going to allow you all to play your way and just keep commenting. I don't mean to barge in, like FZ I can't help myself. Lol

I do agree with you here Kitty, can I still call you that here? Idk I don't want to type K4J it feels too weird to me lol. But yes, I agree, some things if they catch your eye should be mentioned because you never know if it can help you or others out later on in the game. Better to mention it now and get it out there rather than not.

Don't get me wrong, I entirely agree with this... but when your observations are determined internally to be meaningless, why bother posting something meaningless?

Sometimes you can't just go in flailing in the thread based on EVERY single thing your gut is saying because you'd be a basket case.

I would know.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I have yet to get my gif on, so I'ma just leave this here:

This made my entire day But I'm going to watch the Bengals game, so I'll vote Parts Unknown now. Coolest name, and the fluff reasons check out.

S~V~S wrote: Smilies have been added and they have been rearranged~ the commonest are on the posting page, and "personal" smilies, large ones and more active gifs have been moved to the second page. To find the ones not displayed in the posting box, go all of the way to the bottom of the smilies displayed next to the posting box, and it says "View More Smilies". Go to subsequent pages, and there they be

If you will use one there a lot, just memorize the code~

I'm super happy we have this one now. I need it a lot in mafia.

One instance would be trusting me??

Hmmm, this is interesting.

I never considered myself an aggressive Mafia player. Guru (K4J) and I would get into squabbles about how serious he took the game and the unnecessary need for it but now, as I was scrolling through, I find myself thinking what he must be thinking on Day 1 when we play. Why is no one scum-hunting? I don't mean to sound snotty by any means, but really, this seems rather pointless. What is the the point of Day 0? To let things develop? I am going to sound like such a hypocrite (because in our games I am always the one holding back and judging the actions, now I know it was because I was watching the other people shake things up) and Guru will likely call me out on it, but how are things going to develop if nothing happens? People have got to get in there and do things for things to develop. This is going to take some getting used to.

I do have to say (surprise, surprise) I am a little leery of FZ. I am fixing to reference a Ksite game (sorry, guys, I do that. I will try to explain as best I can) but one time when FZ was scum (or a baddie, as y'all call them, right?) she made a big hulabaloo about one of the players posting differently and saying how their style has changed. She used this as opportunity to make this player seem suspicious, as if they were hiding something about why they might be playing differently. The player wasn't scum, in fact, FZ was. So now, with FZ saying she is trying to match y'alls playing style, that just seems shady to me.

Why, FZ? Why match them? I can't help but wonder if you are trying to fade in with them so maybe Lou, Guru, Jenny and I (if we are all townies, possibly) won't pick up on your scum play that we know pretty well? I was coming in trying not to suspect you because I always do, but the last time I did that, it bit me in the butt. Nope, just giving in to my suspicion and if I am wrong, I am wrong. But I am going to point out things I feel are weird for you. (And not just you. )

And break time is over for tonight. Gotta get back to my Christmas gifts. Looks like I am going to have to catch up later tonight or tomorrow. I will admit, it looks like we (at least me, which I never expected!!) may be a little more aggressive than y'all, but I don't know of any other way to play!! I really am a nice person, I promise.

Anyways, I see that this is already starting to turn ksiters vs. syndicators (our name is better )
But! I think a part of me is going to like these ksiters. I myself find stirring shit up quite enjoyable