Willow [Endgame]

[Turnip Head]

Sorsha, you're allowed to change your vote this game. You can move it around willy nilly as you please

[bea]

unless someone can give me a really great reason to change my vote, I'm voting for the coolest person I know in this thread.

vote andrew

[Elohcin]

I'm trying to think like Epi. Who should I vote for in order to receive a prize? Or...does the person with the most votes receive a prize? Or...both? Maybe there is a specific player chosen and whoever votes for that player gets a prize along with the player with the most votes. I'm voting TH.

[Epignosis]

I'm trying to think like Epi.

That's a dangerous undertaking.

[S~V~S]

I should add that I'm not having any of this "oh, Andrew is young, we should be nice to him and give him our vote" nonsense.

That's ageism, my friends, and it is an ugly prejudice.

No, that is "our host has little kids of his own, so I doubt Andrew is bad". I don't think Epi would put him in a position where he would have to kill his Mom, OR talk with his Mom about killing other people. Therefore, I doubt he is bad, which is more than I can say for any of the rest of you nubs

I may be wrong, but that is my thought on it.

[bea]

I should add that I'm not having any of this "oh, Andrew is young, we should be nice to him and give him our vote" nonsense.

That's ageism, my friends, and it is an ugly prejudice.

No, that is "our host has little kids of his own, so I doubt Andrew is bad". I don't think Epi would put him in a position where he would have to kill his Mom, OR talk with his Mom about killing other people. Therefore, I doubt he is bad, which is more than I can say for any of the rest of you nubs

I may be wrong, but that is my thought on it.

this. Just this.

[bea]

I'm trying to think like Epi.

That's a dangerous undertaking.

It worked out so well for epi and I last time....

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm trying to think like Epi.

That's a dangerous undertaking.

If I attempted such a thing, my mind would probably explode from sheer awesomeness.

[Epignosis]

If all votes come in by this evening, we'll move along unless anyone objects.

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

[Epignosis]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

[thellama73]

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

This is why, as a host, I always fully randomize roles: to avoid this sort of meta-speculation.

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

This is why, as a host, I always fully randomize roles: to avoid this sort of meta-speculation.

To be fair though, Rob could still have fully randomized, and made Andrew bad. Which would dispel S~V~s' theory. We wouldn't know for sure unless the host decided to reveal that.

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

I already ate all my meat though...

[bea]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

that's a fair enough point.

but given the choices - kate was asking pretty hard for the responsibility - and IDK how I feel about kate yet...

DH?

TH??

I personally felt that Andrew was not only the coolest choice but the one most likely to be civ. given the other choices being bantered around.

[S~V~S]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

?

If you are a civ, and you think someone else is a civ, do you think voting to give them a boon is "buddying up for cred?" Would you prefer that I vote for someone I don't feel good about in interests of how it looks?

And I think what I think. I don't think he would randomize Andrew into a position where he has to kill his mother, or talk to his mother about killing other people. Ergo, he is not bad. This is my reasoning, which is why I voted for him. If you and Llama think otherwise, then do otherwise.

[S~V~S]

Ebwop, it's day zero. This is all guesswork at this point, IMO.

[bea]

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

This is why, as a host, I always fully randomize roles: to avoid this sort of meta-speculation.

I do believe our host also randomized these roles - and i also believe he's said so in more than one thread.

I also believe it's most likely that Andrew is a civ. And therefore most deserving of our vote.

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

that's a fair enough point.

but given the choices - kate was asking pretty hard for the responsibility - and IDK how I feel about kate yet...

DH?

TH??

I personally felt that Andrew was not only the coolest choice but the one most likely to be civ. given the other choices being bantered around.

That's fine then. As I said, I agree with S~V~S' logic. But there's that tiny, little part of me that wonders if that indeed isn't the case. That's all. And we have no proof of anyone's potential civvieness or badiness at this point.

[thellama73]

I do believe our host also randomized these roles - and i also believe he's said so in more than one thread.

I also believe it's most likely that Andrew is a civ. And therefore most deserving of our vote.

What are you basing that on?

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

?

If you are a civ, and you think someone else is a civ, do you think voting to give them a boon is "buddying up for cred?" Would you prefer that I vote for someone I don't feel good about in interests of how it looks?

And I think what I think. I don't think he would randomize Andrew into a position where he has to kill his mother, or talk to his mother about killing other people. Ergo, he is not bad. This is my reasoning, which is why I voted for him. If you and Llama think otherwise, then do otherwise.

Not at all. If you are a civ and believe Andrew to be a civ, then you should vote for him. I'm not disputing that.

Like I said before, I agree with you. While I think Epig still randomized all the roles, I think your logic of not putting him in a position where he needs his mom's role dead to win is fairly sound. I just wonder about other possibilities is all. I like to do that with mafia, and speculate on all the possible outcomes of a certain scenario.

Of course, but that logic, am I correct in assuming that you believe Kate to be a civ too?

[bea]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Goodbye, blue sky
Goodbye, blue sky.
Goodbye.

I skipped a grove or three because this is a family thread

[thellama73]

Like I said before, I agree with you. While I think Epig still randomized all the roles, I think your logic of not putting him in a position where he needs his mom's role dead to win is fairly sound.

I don't understand this. These both can't be true. Either the roles or random, or they are not random to prevent certain combinations. They can't both be the case.

[S~V~S]

Of course, but that logic, am I correct in assuming that you believe Kate to be a civ too?

Not necessarily, but probably, yes. I find it unlikely that he would put her in that position either. But I find it MORE unlikely that a father of little kids would do that to a little kid. Andrew is more impressionable than Kate, and might have more problems with that. But yeah, I would be more likely to trust her than not.

Linki @ Llama~ BWT likes to see all sides of an issue, not just his, A trait I admire since i don;t have it, lol. It is what i assume he is doing here.

[birdwithteeth11]

Like I said before, I agree with you. While I think Epig still randomized all the roles, I think your logic of not putting him in a position where he needs his mom's role dead to win is fairly sound.

I don't understand this. These both can't be true. Either the roles or random, or they are not random to prevent certain combinations. They can't both be the case.

You don't think he could have randomized all the roles, and yet still have it turn out that Andrew is in a position where he is civ?

That's what I'm thinking. I don't think Rob would have refused to not randomize every role, because that doesn't seem like his style IMO. But I think even with him randomizing all the roles, that it's still very likely Andrew is a civ.

Does that make any more sense or does it still sound contradictory?

[S~V~S]

No it makes sense, but lets say I have reason to believe that Rob might have randomed with tweaks in the past

In any case, I still think Andrew is the person most likely to be a civvie, and I am happy with my vote, and have to go do other stuff.

[thellama73]

Like I said before, I agree with you. While I think Epig still randomized all the roles, I think your logic of not putting him in a position where he needs his mom's role dead to win is fairly sound.

I don't understand this. These both can't be true. Either the roles or random, or they are not random to prevent certain combinations. They can't both be the case.

You don't think he could have randomized all the roles, and yet still have it turn out that Andrew is in a position where he is civ?

That's what I'm thinking. I don't think Rob would have refused to not randomize every role, because that doesn't seem like his style IMO. But I think even with him randomizing all the roles, that it's still very likely Andrew is a civ.

Does that make any more sense or does it still sound contradictory?

That makes sense, BWT, thank you. Yes, obviously there is a good chance every player is a civ with a randomization process. What I was taking issue with was the idea that Rob would specifically refuse to give Andrew a baddie role. (and even if you don't think he would pit mother against child, they could be on the baddie team together)

[S~V~S]

Again, I doubt that, but I could be wrong, this is my best guess. If you don't want to give the kid a prize, cool. Vote for someone else.

now really, i gotta get out of here

[DharmaHelper]

I voted for Andrew to get the prize. But don't be fooled, I'm not in the camp that thinks we ought to play with kid gloves where Andrew is concerned. If he flubs up at any point and shows his hand as a baddie, I'll be there!

Also, thanks for the vote, Andrew, I appreciate your confidence.

[thellama73]

I voted for Andrew to get the prize. But don't be fooled, I'm not in the camp that thinks we ought to play with kid gloves where Andrew is concerned. If he flubs up at any point and shows his hand as a baddie, I'll be there!

Also, thanks for the vote, Andrew, I appreciate your confidence.

Thank you for being, as ever, the voice of reason, DH.

[DharmaHelper]

If your definition of reason is common sense with a hint of [REDACTED]... Yep. That's me all over.

[Dom]

I will not be voting Andrew because I am a bit bitter that he seems to be taking my place as cutest kid or something.




I will vote for myself.

[DharmaHelper]

BREAKIN DA RUZL

[Dom]

Well, poop, I already forgot.

I vote for Kate.

Edited naughty word out, xox, SVS

[Turnip Head]

And now you've broken Rule 11 as well

[DharmaHelper]

Anarchy

[S~V~S]

Just a disclaimer, I will edit naughty words when I sees em~

[DharmaHelper]

Just a disclaimer, I will edit naughty words when I sees em~

We'll just have to see about that.

no pls but srsly don't hurt me I'll be good pls.

[S~V~S]

Just don't say any naughty words

I have multiple bars of mouth washing soap

[Marmot]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

I don't understand the history behind it, but I don't think that assigning roles based on IRL status is something that happens, unless it's a specific game mechanic.

[Marmot]

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

This is why, as a host, I always fully randomize roles: to avoid this sort of meta-speculation.

I do believe our host also randomized these roles - and i also believe he's said so in more than one thread.

I also believe it's most likely that Andrew is a civ. And therefore most deserving of our vote.

Oh hey, you've already said what I just did.

I guess the odds are in favor of Andrew being a civ, but hey, that would go for me too. And you. And llama. And SVS. Heck, even TurnipHead. I don't remember everyone's names yet, but they should all be on this list.

[S~V~S]

I'm running on the "Lynch George Lucas" platform.

Only if it's because of the prequel trilogy.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

Linki: I shall object until we receive free figgy pudding! FREE PUDDING FOR ALL!!!!

I don't understand the history behind it, but I don't think that assigning roles based on IRL status is something that happens, unless it's a specific game mechanic.

Like i said, i find it unlikely that Epi would put an 8 year old in a position to night kill his Mother, or to discuss killing people with his Mother, i just don't. I could be totally wrong, but that is what i believe. I am not trying to make anyone else believe it.

[bea]

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

This is why, as a host, I always fully randomize roles: to avoid this sort of meta-speculation.

I do believe our host also randomized these roles - and i also believe he's said so in more than one thread.

I also believe it's most likely that Andrew is a civ. And therefore most deserving of our vote.

Oh hey, you've already said what I just did.

I guess the odds are in favor of Andrew being a civ, but hey, that would go for me too. And you. And llama. And SVS. Heck, even TurnipHead. I don't remember everyone's names yet, but they should all be on this list.

you are completely right. The odds are that any of us are civ. I picked Andrew because I like the kid. And also because if I had to pick between he and Kate - well.....let's let the younger gen get some love.

[bea]

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about all the buddying-up votes for Andrew early on. I agree with S~V~S and would be surprised if he were bad. But I also feel like baddies could use that as an excuse to gain some early cred.

This is why, as a host, I always fully randomize roles: to avoid this sort of meta-speculation.

I do believe our host also randomized these roles - and i also believe he's said so in more than one thread.

I also believe it's most likely that Andrew is a civ. And therefore most deserving of our vote.

Oh hey, you've already said what I just did.

I guess the odds are in favor of Andrew being a civ, but hey, that would go for me too. And you. And llama. And SVS. Heck, even TurnipHead. I don't remember everyone's names yet, but they should all be on this list.

The part of this I love is bolded.

See TH - in one game you become the "big bad" - that's how good your HP game was.

[Dom]

And now you've broken Rule 11 as well

i don't undrestand.

[bea]

rule 11: 11. This thread, like Willow, is family-friendly. Please, no oaths or bawdiness.

[bea]

(I'm guessing it was the naughty word you edited out. )

[thellama73]

let's let the younger gen get some love.

No! The younger generation is terrible. Why, back in my day... etc. etc.

[S~V~S]

(I'm guessing it was the naughty word you edited out. )

I edited it out, to be clear. I said i would do so.

[thellama73]

(I'm guessing it was the naughty word you edited out. )

I edited it out, to be clear. I said i would do so.

You've set a dangerous precedent. Now we will all be curious to see which substitutions you will make in your edits. I fear you may have unleashed a monster.

Fortunately for you, I am always fastidiously clean-tongued.