The Syndicate

rabbit8 wrote:

unfurl wrote:I did not play the previous games, so I dont know how it all went down, and how people end up winning

Im curious, as to people who makes deal out in the open, are not becoming an early target?
just like in Survivor (tv-show) you dont want groups of people who will just pick others one by one
and of course there is always backstabbing

Well, that's the fun, right?

Well, it depends of what is your concept of fun, it is a relative term

But I do understand the appeal of people making groups and deals, is part of human society.

linki LC

so rabbit thinks g-man is powerfull
and LC thinks rabbit is powerfull

Intersting

unfurl wrote:so rabbit thinks g-man is powerfull
and LC thinks rabbit is powerfull

Intersting

Let's make it a true Mexican standoff- I suspect Long Con of being a powerful baddie for trying to trick me into revealing the roles I would like to see out of the game early. CLEARLY he is trying to gauge how much of a threat I am to him and his awesome powers.

I also suspect rabbit of being powerful. Why else would he come right out of the gate looking to make deals with people? OBVIOUSLY he wants to broker a little extra time for all his powerful powers and their powerfulness.

Furthermore, Fingersplints had shown herself to be completely untrustworthy by so readily taking up rabbit on the prospect of a deal. And unfurl is playing the "oops! I haven't played in so long that I accidentally double-posted" card. Bullzeye is suspicious for trying to derail the thread by talking about pizza. Mmm. Pizza...

The only one who hasn't come across as suspicious to me yet is MetalMarsh, which automatically launches him to the top of my list for being too blendy.

I could see Rabbit with a powerful role. I also could see a powerful role hiding behind the innocence of someone like Unfurl. I actually am going to read over the roles now. You know, so I know what is a powerful role.

It looks like day 1 is gonna be intersting with people already making their mind on who they want out :P

Black Rock wrote:I could see Rabbit with a powerful role. I also could see a powerful role hiding behind the innocence of someone like Unfurl. I actually am going to read over the roles now. You know, so I know what is a powerful role.

Hehe, Black Rock :P

@LC -- I didn't read that as a role hint at all. The role is apparently based on rabbit's winning role in a previous game, so it makes sense that he would have some idea of how powerful it is.

G-Man wrote: And unfurl is playing the "oops! I haven't played in so long that I accidentally double-posted" card.

It was a mistake
you are clearly paranoid G-man

unfurl wrote:

G-Man wrote: And unfurl is playing the "oops! I haven't played in so long that I accidentally double-posted" card.

It was a mistake
you are clearly paranoid G-man

I feel like he's either kidding or crazy. There's no way you can think someone making a dumb joke in their second post on day 0 is trying to derail a thread. Besides, is it even right to say you have 'suspicions' in a Last Man Standing game? Technically everyone is a baddie, or not, depending on your own perspective.

G-Man wrote:

unfurl wrote:so rabbit thinks g-man is powerfull
and LC thinks rabbit is powerfull

Intersting

Let's make it a true Mexican standoff- I suspect Long Con of being a powerful baddie for trying to trick me into revealing the roles I would like to see out of the game early. CLEARLY he is trying to gauge how much of a threat I am to him and his awesome powers.

I also suspect rabbit of being powerful. Why else would he come right out of the gate looking to make deals with people? OBVIOUSLY he wants to broker a little extra time for all his powerful powers and their powerfulness.

Or, like I has no power worth anything....and I need more powerful players to save me!!!!

Or, ooooor, I has a super powerful role and you would be wise to team up with me.

rabbit8 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Now, who wants to make some deals?

I wont vote for you, you don't vote for me. Fair enough for now?

I went into this hoping to make a deal with someone else involving voting together against you, but sure this will work.

G-Man wrote:Furthermore, Fingersplints had shown herself to be completely untrustworthy by so readily taking up rabbit on the prospect of a deal.

You must have a powerful role to not need help to survive like me.

Bullzeye wrote:I feel like he's either kidding or crazy.

This.

Bullzeye wrote:Besides, is it even right to say you have 'suspicions' in a Last Man Standing game? Technically everyone is a baddie, or not, depending on your own perspective.

And this. The only "good guy" in the game is your own role. Even if you're not a killing role, you intend to eliminate other players through the lynch phases, which makes you a baddie to everyone else. We're not even dealing in moral relativism. It's black and white. For everyone in the game, it is them vs. 18 bad guys.

G-Man wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I feel like he's either kidding or crazy.

This.

Bullzeye wrote:Besides, is it even right to say you have 'suspicions' in a Last Man Standing game? Technically everyone is a baddie, or not, depending on your own perspective.

And this. The only "good guy" in the game is your own role. Even if you're not a killing role, you intend to eliminate other players through the lynch phases, which makes you a baddie to everyone else. We're not even dealing in moral relativism. It's black and white. For everyone in the game, it is them vs. 18 bad guys.

2 roles can win together, so only almost everyone.

So, deals are a thing eh? MM, you don't kill me I won't vote for you this game.

boo wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I feel like he's either kidding or crazy.

This.

Bullzeye wrote:Besides, is it even right to say you have 'suspicions' in a Last Man Standing game? Technically everyone is a baddie, or not, depending on your own perspective.

And this. The only "good guy" in the game is your own role. Even if you're not a killing role, you intend to eliminate other players through the lynch phases, which makes you a baddie to everyone else. We're not even dealing in moral relativism. It's black and white. For everyone in the game, it is them vs. 18 bad guys.

2 roles can win together, so only almost everyone.

Does that make them an important two roles to eliminate, in your opinion?

You can lynch me if you want, but it won't help you reach your win condition.

Who was lynching you?

Epignosis wrote:You can lynch me if you want, but it won't help you reach your win condition.

Which three people do you think are LEAST likely to be lynched today?

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You can lynch me if you want, but it won't help you reach your win condition.

Which three people do you think are LEAST likely to be lynched today?

Well, given that it's Day 0, I think it's fair to say that we're all on level ground for that.

What happens if two people without nightkills are left? A coin flip to see who wins?

Also, I went to have a look at the first LMS game on Hedville. "Day 1 - Kobe is speedy lynched, but he somehow survives." How did he survive? And quite hilarious that he managed to survive only to die Night 1 when his Lover was killed.

really guys? deals already?

Long Con wrote:What happens if two people without nightkills are left? A coin flip to see who wins?

Also, I went to have a look at the first LMS game on Hedville. "Day 1 - Kobe is speedy lynched, but he somehow survives." How did he survive? And quite hilarious that he managed to survive only to die Night 1 when his Lover was killed.

In that scenario I'd give it to whoever gets to kill that night.

IIRC, Kobe survived because he started out as the Immortal role, only to be switcheroo'd into a Lover the first night. Good ol' switcherooing, LMS wouldn't be LMS without it (I've been developing that role for years, and, I think my idea for LMS4 will make the best Switcheroo so far. So stay tuned for whenever I have that game ready )

Bass_the_Clever wrote:really guys? deals already?

You got a role doesn't need alliances to win?

What if all the nightkill roles get lynched before the game ends? Is there a system in place that keeps a nightkill around?

Does Plague target people to get sick?

Black Rock wrote:So, deals are a thing eh? MM, you don't kill me I won't vote for you this game.

Can I do other things to you?

Hello all! I am excited for this game. I picked that I want a cool banner that no one else has b/c with that, I imply that I want to WIN!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:So, deals are a thing eh? MM, you don't kill me I won't vote for you this game.

Can I do other things to you?

HEY!

Also, what do you think about my cake that I chose for this game? Haha! We're all like a bunch of minions trying to make our way to the top

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:So, deals are a thing eh? MM, you don't kill me I won't vote for you this game.

Can I do other things to you?

You are welcome to protect me all you want.

Long Con wrote:

boo wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I feel like he's either kidding or crazy.

This.

Bullzeye wrote:Besides, is it even right to say you have 'suspicions' in a Last Man Standing game? Technically everyone is a baddie, or not, depending on your own perspective.

And this. The only "good guy" in the game is your own role. Even if you're not a killing role, you intend to eliminate other players through the lynch phases, which makes you a baddie to everyone else. We're not even dealing in moral relativism. It's black and white. For everyone in the game, it is them vs. 18 bad guys.

2 roles can win together, so only almost everyone.

Does that make them an important two roles to eliminate, in your opinion?

Well, sort of.

If Switcheroo wasn't a thing (that can switch dead players roles as well), yes. And there's death who can resurrect every night. I expect they'll primarily kill, but that's the thing about making deals and alliances with people in this game, if you can come to an agreement with someone in that role (or who gets it via Switcheroo), and they feel like they need you alive to increase their own chances of living longer (eventually you'd each need to kill each other, but that's a final alliance backstabbing type thing) they may bring you back.

So... if I think someone has BTSC, AND Switcheroo were dead, then I'd be wanting to kill the people with BTSC (the 2 that can win together moreso, but the two that can't win together are still a voting bloc that can work together, and that's as dangerous in the end game if their still alive as a NK is).

Ofc, Switcheroo has role secrets, and the actual role is called Ghost Switcheroo, so I'm kind of wondering if they can just keep using their power (or at least use it once, to hand off their role, since I doubt they'd ever be tempted to do so while alive, unless we lynched someone D1 who doesn't die, since that's the only time they can gurantee they'd get the role they want, unless, again, secrets).

Also: for Plague, it would make sense the Mystery Man is the one who is actually actively spreading around a virus, yes? Plague is just immune to it, and (I assume) if they die, anyone else infected with it is cured (which otherwise only happens if the aptly named Curandera targets them).

So, lynching Plague early seems like the top role to go after, since that's (if I'm right) in everyone's mutual self-interest (Switcheroo would have no reason to switch that role back into the game, unless secrets).

@Enrique: If Plague dies, but then the role is switched to a living player, or the dead player is ressed, does the virus also return to the game, or is completely out of the game the first time Plague dies?

Oh, also @Enrique: The rules don't state anything about role-outting, claiming, etc, about yourself, or anyone else. Is that allowed, and if it is allowed, is it in an encouraged sort of way or an 'I'd rather you not do that, but it's up to you'? kind of way?

Ok, thanks. Then Plague makes the most sense to target first to me, since I don't imagine anyone (or at least very few) roles would want to bring him back into the game. Actually finding a specific role is pretty unlikely, so that doesn't matter much, but that's who I want to lynch then.

Ghost Switcheroo - Every night, will choose a number of players equal to the round number. Those players will all exchange roles. Dead players are eligible for role exchange every third night. ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~, ~~~~~ ~~ ~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~.

Looks at role secrets, this is the easiest one to puzzle out.


~~~~ ~~~ Ghost Switcheroo ~~(is?) ~~~~~~(killed?), ~~~~~ ~~ ~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ (what happens when Switcheroo dies. I think the power does probably get handed down to be kept in the game).

When the (first 2 words).

Okay, so I have finally read through the roles (Ca-Razzie!!) and this game seems like it will be a bowl full of FUN! Alliances are being made already, I need to get in the game. Who wants to side with me?!?

S~V~S wrote:Since there is no real baddies/civvies here, we have to decide what matters to us. I want to win, but i also want to have fun.

I will likely vote for the person who is the lowest poster as of the time I vote.

This seems like a good strategy. I may follow But, I also may try to think of another fun strategy like voting for players in alphabetical order, haha, skipping the E's, of course. I don't know...I'll think of something. But if I think I know who a killer is, I would have to abandon my plan for the day :P

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so I have finally read through the roles (Ca-Razzie!!) and this game seems like it will be a bowl full of FUN! Alliances are being made already, I need to get in the game. Who wants to side with me?!?

S~V~S wrote:Since there is no real baddies/civvies here, we have to decide what matters to us. I want to win, but i also want to have fun.

I will likely vote for the person who is the lowest poster as of the time I vote.

This seems like a good strategy. I may follow But, I also may try to think of another fun strategy like voting for players in alphabetical order, haha, skipping the E's, of course. I don't know...I'll think of something. But if I think I know who a killer is, I would have to abandon my plan for the day :P

Alphabetical order is a horrible idea. Unless you want to be friends and forget about this B.

There's always reverse-alphabetical.

Now that I can get into.

Nooooo

I would agree to that if unfurl wasn't the first then. I don't like to vote returning or new players day 1

LC is in the middle. it seems that is the only compromise

As someone close to the middle of the player list, I might be willing to form an alliance with members at the top or bottom of the list to help thwart this alphabetical and/or reverse-alphabetical elimination nonsense.

We could skip Unfurl but I bet SVS would say no to that too.

boo wrote:There's always reverse-alphabetical.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Bottom half versus the top half, + FS?

Lets lynch em out early!!!!

No thank you. I am going to likely vote someone that would be mean to me.

Black Rock wrote:No thank you. I am going to likely vote someone that would be mean to me.

Black Rock wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so I have finally read through the roles (Ca-Razzie!!) and this game seems like it will be a bowl full of FUN! Alliances are being made already, I need to get in the game. Who wants to side with me?!?

S~V~S wrote:Since there is no real baddies/civvies here, we have to decide what matters to us. I want to win, but i also want to have fun.

I will likely vote for the person who is the lowest poster as of the time I vote.

This seems like a good strategy. I may follow But, I also may try to think of another fun strategy like voting for players in alphabetical order, haha, skipping the E's, of course. I don't know...I'll think of something. But if I think I know who a killer is, I would have to abandon my plan for the day :P

Alphabetical order is a horrible idea. Unless you want to be friends and forget about this B.

I'd love to be your friend Alphabetical order was just the first thing that came to mind. Epi....what about you? Are you making alliances this game?

linki and my computer was being weird so more linki

Okay, read the linki. I wasn't serious about alphabetical...it was just what came to mind first as an example .